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2010/10/19 14:01:43
Subject: I sometimes really hate free speech.
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Frazzled wrote:del'Vhar wrote:I thought there was a caveat about inciting hatred under the 1st Amendment?
No, thats just current PC speech codes on college campuses.
The key difference between US law and European law in this area is that various types of expression are illegal in Europe.
For example, in Germany, display of Nazi regalia is illegal.
In France and Austria, Holocaust Denial is illegal.
In the UK, inciting racial hatred and glorifying terrorism are both illegal.
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2010/09/20 15:30:50
Subject: I sometimes really hate free speech.
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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DarkAngelHopeful wrote:
I'll clear that up for you Dogma, I'm not insincere. I'm not sure how you could infer that since you have known me for all of two threads.
I didn't. I said that it seems as though BearersOfSalvation was inferring that.
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2010/09/20 15:52:49
Subject: I sometimes really hate free speech.
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Screaming Banshee
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Principles can't be allowed to bend for individual cases: Allowing them to do so would be dangerous should the state or the people ever lean towards an immoral ideology (think the American infatuation with eugenics in the '20s).
Thus democratic principles must be held as sacred.
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2010/09/20 16:08:15
Subject: I sometimes really hate free speech.
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
Provo, UT
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dogma wrote:DarkAngelHopeful wrote:
I'll clear that up for you Dogma, I'm not insincere. I'm not sure how you could infer that since you have known me for all of two threads.
I didn't. I said that it seems as though BearersOfSalvation was inferring that.
Rog.
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I think George Orwell was unknowingly describing 40K.
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2010/09/21 09:48:14
Subject: I sometimes really hate free speech.
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Henners91 wrote:Principles can't be allowed to bend for individual cases: Allowing them to do so would be dangerous should the state or the people ever lean towards an immoral ideology (think the American infatuation with eugenics in the '20s).
Thus democratic principles must be held as sacred.
I thought there was some common saying like "Your right to swing your fist ends at my face" or something. I assume the oratory equivalent would be something like "Your right to free speech ends at inciting a mob to kill me....that and my mother, leave her out of this".
BearersOfSalvation wrote:DarkAngelHopeful wrote:I don't understand how your comment relates to mine. Are you saying you don't believe that I can dislike the burning of the US flag but still feel strongly about protecting their right to do it?
Are you some kind of egomaniac who thinks that any comment must be directed at you personally? I don't think that a person stating "They are explaining how they twisted free speech tto there own ideals. For some reason i find it hard to believe these people and others like them with extreme ideals are protected under free speech." dislikes the message but respects the right. The OP made that statement, I made a brief response to him, then you responded apparently believing that a post that did not quote or mention you was directed straight to you, I explained the quote that indicated that the OP does not share your beliefs, and you still don't seem able to understand that my original comment that did not quote or mention you was not directed at you.
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers" 
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2010/09/22 03:05:48
Subject: I sometimes really hate free speech.
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Swift Swooping Hawk
Canberra, Australia
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A right to free speech...
We also need the right to stop particular people breeding.
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2010/09/22 03:24:12
Subject: I sometimes really hate free speech.
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Kilkrazy wrote:The key difference between US law and European law in this area is that various types of expression are illegal in Europe.
For example, in Germany, display of Nazi regalia is illegal.
In France and Austria, Holocaust Denial is illegal.
In the UK, inciting racial hatred and glorifying terrorism are both illegal.
While that's true, there is a tendency of Americans to consider they have speech which is more free than people elsewhere, when the truth is that different things are restricted in different places.
You're certainly more capable of seeing nudity and adult content on television outside the US. Then there's confidentiality clauses and the like, outside the US the right to speak on public issues is seen as greater than the contract's importance.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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2010/09/22 11:54:31
Subject: I sometimes really hate free speech.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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OoieGoie wrote:A right to free speech...
We also need the right to stop particular people breeding.
No, we don't (unless the "We" is China of course).
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2010/09/22 11:57:05
Subject: I sometimes really hate free speech.
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Frazzled wrote:OoieGoie wrote:A right to free speech...
We also need the right to stop particular people breeding.
No, we don't (unless the "We" is China of course).
China doesn't stop 'particular' people breeding. It does minimise the damage though. 
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
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