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I've seen instore that space marine commanders have 40mm round bases, is this allowed? or does it have to be 25?

thanks

LDP

The are on the bases they come with.

SO a PA Captain is probably 25mm, terminator ones on 40mm. However ALL that matters is what base is supplied: that is the legal base.

Note that some people will try to claim that all "big" models on 25mm bases should be on 40mm, i.e. old terminators which came with 25mm bases, however this is not only untrue, it breaks the rules on page 3 (from memory) stating that the model MUST be on the base it came with.

you will only run into problems if you put your models on bases smaller that what they come with (ie: new terminators on 25s) or if you are purposefully using the larger base size to your advantage (placing a commander on 60mm base, disembarking from a land raider with a squad and having the edge of his base just "within" the two inches, effectively extending the assault range beyond what has been intended)

Best to just go with the 25mm base. Easier to avoid arguments.

Thanks for the help guys!

LDP

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I bought the Commander box and IIRC it came with a 40mm.

On a related note, the rules are worded stupidly enough that if they screwed up and put a dreadnought base in your Commander box you could field him on that.

The commander box comes with a 25mm - I think you DNRC.

MikeMcSomething wrote:On a related note, the rules are worded stupidly enough that if they screwed up and put a dreadnought base in your Commander box you could field him on that.

This is true, and God-forbid the event that the model came with no Base(as my Warbikers did).

Nos: larger bases are allowable by page 3, so long as your opponent agrees to it(which, if the larger base is reasonable and looks cool/seems done mostly for aesthetics; they generally will). Obviously throwing a Captain on a 40mm-60mm base and just painting the base green, or maybe adding flock is going to get denied, but having a really nice looking Base covered in scenery, or a small diorama will probably fly.

Generally acceptable base:


Generally unacceptable base(although this one still looks pretty good, the same effect could have been done on a smaller base):


Please note the Calgar model above comes on a small base.

Yep, I'm aware of page 3, but tend to ignore it as it essentially restates TMIR - ANYTHING is allowable if both of you agree to it.

Also known as "The rule of cool"

Do people really argue about this? Nobody minded my Thunderwolves on Valkyrie bases.

Personally, if you built up a base for your character I would have no problem if you put it on a 1' x 1' base. I can see you just about anywhere, you have to keep it 1" from everything, nothing else can be in your base's space and I can probably contact your character with half my army. This is overstating it but the core is that a Power Armor captain on a 40mm base is not going to cause me to go into a hissy fit.

Now different story if we are talking a special character that gains some bonus like +1 attack for every fig in base contact or a nurgle sorcerer who affects everything within a radius of his base. In those cases you are gaming the system to gain an advantage.

For me:

1. Go ahead and put yourself at a disadvantage for the sake of artistic freedom.

2. Go ahead and make a neutral change. (e.g. Jump pack commander that is flying on base 6" above it so it can see and be seen more often.)

3. Major no-no if you gain any one-sided advantage from your non-standard basing.

^ but your grots of valk bases do cause huge arguments

Played a guy who had his metal Saint Celestine on a 25mm base on top of 40mm base. I questioned him about the legality, he replied "It falls the hell over if it's on a 25mm base."

Made sense to me. I told him to find a chunk of marble to base it on, and make a bitchin' diorama.

DAaddict wrote:3. Major no-no if you gain any one-sided advantage from your non-standard basing.

Like increased assault range from transports with any increase in base size?

Scott-S6 wrote:The commander box comes with a 25mm - I think you DNRC.

Pretty sure he did actually come with the larger base, he was mounted on one and I didn't go hunting for larger bases to put him on beforehand.

The books really just need base size ranges specified for the units anyway - who's to say they didn't screw up and put an Eldar War Walker base in your box? My buddy ordered some extra bits for his Chaos and they sent him half of an old metal Wyvern or something.

The real problem is that this is just another instance where the rules are just written poorly and players are typically too afraid to be branded as WAAC to point it out.

The Terminator base is a 40mm. The normal infantry base is 25mm.

The plastic Space Marine Commander comes with a 25mm base.

The only commander in PA that I have seen on a 40mm base is Pedro Kantor. All of the others are on 25's.

Pedro Kantor is sold with a 25 mm. Have it right in front of me.

Ok...maybe I have my mm's wrong. The Pedro Kantor I bought came with the current Terminator base. Is that what you have? This maybe where some of the OP's confusion come from.

insaniak wrote:The Terminator base is a 40mm. The normal infantry base is 25mm.

The plastic Space Marine Commander comes with a 25mm base.

It really comes with whatever was in the box at the time.

This is actually news to me, that it typically comes on a base smaller than the Terminator size one. It's also a great example of when the rules fail too, technically I needed everyone's explicit permission to field my HQ.

i have never had a character besides TDA calgar and TDA libby come with a 40mm base.

Pedro, Plastic commander, TDA captain, and Librarians all came with a 25mm base.

I do love that the rules favor mis-packs.

GW: "oh, we gave you the wrong sized base; well according to the rules your model x must be mounted on that base"
Me: "But my Dreadnought doesn't even fit on this 25mm base!"
GW: "Them's the rules."

Not that I use Pedro all that much but the last thing I need is some jerk calling me a cheat because my base is wrong. I went by my local shop and all of the Pedros on his shelf have Terminator bases in them. I have never bought a model from GW (and the time frame is roughly 20years) and it have the wrong base. That may have changed now with ol Pedro.

According to GW's website Pedro is supplied with a 25mm base.

They sometimes change what base size they wish to supply a model with, or even which arms they have.

The new Ortan Cassius model holds a Combi-flamer in his left hand; the one I got(and older model) has a Bolt pistol.

Bikeninja wrote:Not that I use Pedro all that much but the last thing I need is some jerk calling me a cheat because my base is wrong. I went by my local shop and all of the Pedros on his shelf have Terminator bases in them. I have never bought a model from GW (and the time frame is roughly 20years) and it have the wrong base. That may have changed now with ol Pedro.

He comes with a 25mm. I always thought it was ok to put models on bigger bases, but never smaller. I'd question anybody who's models are all on bigger bases for no reason. But having one or two models on a bigger modeled base, in may opinion, is fine.

Kommissar Kel wrote:The new Ortan Cassius model holds a Combi-flamer in his left hand; the one I got(and older model) has a Bolt pistol.

The combi-flamer version is actually the original model. He was made to match the artwork in the 4th edition codex. He was on sale for about a week before GW noticed that his codex entry only gave him a bolt pistol, so they pulled the model from sale and re-released it with the bolt pistol hand. Good to know they've reverted to the combi-weapon now that it's actually in his rules.

not sure if they actually did revert or not(as I said I have the Pistol version; although i did modify it into a combi-flamer); the website shows the Combi-flamer model though.

Bikeninja wrote:Not that I use Pedro all that much but the last thing I need is some jerk calling me a cheat because my base is wrong. I went by my local shop and all of the Pedros on his shelf have Terminator bases in them. I have never bought a model from GW (and the time frame is roughly 20years) and it have the wrong base. That may have changed now with ol Pedro.

You should be able to just call GW customer service and ask them to send you the right base. With mis-packed or missing components, normally you just call them up, they'll ask the batch number off the package, and they mail out whatever you need. If you bought it at an actual GW store, they'll probably just give you one.

Yep. One good thing about GW is if there is a problem they'll normally fix it there and then, no issues.

As for Pedro being on a 25mm - it makes sense, he's only a PA/AA guy, not terminator sized

ToBeWilly - that was the rule in 4th ed (you could go up but not down) however now the rule is: base it is supplied with.