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Can Mephiston deepstrike now since he moves like jump infantry?

No, because he doesn't have wings. He has a psychic power that he can't use until he's already on the board.

Exactly, models in reserve are only allowed actions which are explicitly permitted of them. Therefore, Mephiston may not use his psychic power to be allowed to deepstrike.

It just says they have to move like jump infantry. Basically he has psychic wings.

BloodThirSTAR wrote:It just says they have to move like jump infantry. Basically he has psychic wings.

His unit type is Infantry. He moves like Infantry.

If he passes a psychic test to activate a particular psychic power, then for the rest of that one, particular movement phase, he will move as Jump Infantry.

Sadly, he is not given a chance to activate this psychic power before entering the game. Thus, he cannot use Wings of Sanguinius to Deep Strike.

You need to declare that a model is deep striking when you are organising your reserves, at which point Mephiston still moves as infantry and therefore doesn't have the ability to deep strike. If a model does not have the ability to deep strike, then how can you declare that he is deep striking?

Even if the whole can't use a psychic power if not on the board didn't exist, moves as Jump Infantry is not the same as being Jump Infantry the CSM FAQ has an example of this with the Daemon Prince.

The Strange Dude wrote:Even if the whole can't use a psychic power if not on the board didn't exist, moves as Jump Infantry is not the same as being Jump Infantry the CSM FAQ has an example of this with the Daemon Prince.

Yeah, but he doesn't move like Jump Infantry until after he casts Wings of Sanguinius. Which he can't do while he's in reserve.

The Strange Dude wrote:Even if the whole can't use a psychic power if not on the board didn't exist, moves as Jump Infantry is not the same as being Jump Infantry the CSM FAQ has an example of this with the Daemon Prince.

No one is saying he has to literally be Jump Infantry. Moving as Jump Infantry is enough to be able to deep strike. Mephiston doesn't normally move as Jump Infantry, though, so no Deep Strikes. (Bad idea anyway, all he'll get to do is fire his plasma pistol and then will die. Take a Techmarine if you want that)

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

The Strange Dude wrote:Even if the whole can't use a psychic power if not on the board didn't exist, moves as Jump Infantry is not the same as being Jump Infantry the CSM FAQ has an example of this with the Daemon Prince.

No one is saying he has to literally be Jump Infantry. Moving as Jump Infantry is enough to be able to deep strike.

I disagree moving as jump infantry is not the same as being jump infantry. Looking into it I'd cite p.52 under the Movement section (which is where the argument is going to be) last line 'All Jump Infantry Units may enter the battle by 'deep strike' as explained on p.95.' and then the CSM FAQ ' Q. Does taking ‘Wings’ classify a model as jump
infantry? A. No, it simply allows the model to move like jump infantry. Note that the model must actually be converted to have a pair of wings rather than a jump pack.'

So as I said even if he could use the psychic power off the board (he can't) then he still couldn't deepstrike.

The Strange Dude wrote:I disagree moving as jump infantry is not the same as being jump infantry.

According to GW's newest FAQ update...

Q: Can a unit that ‘moves as jump infantry’ deep strike? (p52)
A: Yes.

MinMax wrote:

The Strange Dude wrote:I disagree moving as jump infantry is not the same as being jump infantry.

According to GW's newest FAQ update...

Q: Can a unit that ‘moves as jump infantry’ deep strike? (p52)
A: Yes.

Another spectacular u-turn by GW

Thanks for pointing out the new update off to read it now.

The Strange Dude wrote:Another spectacular u-turn by GW

It's really not. The ability to Deep Strike is included in the movement rules for Jump Infantry. So something that moves as Jump Infantry can Deep Strike.

If mephiston had a Special rule(i.e. one that was always up, no matter the situation) that he moved as jump infantry(such as a Daemon Prince, or tyranid critter with "wings") then yes he could deepstrike. But alas he does not, he has a Psychic power that allows him, for one turn at a time, providing he passes a psychic test and it is not canceled out via another model's wargear/rules, to move as jump infantry. Therefore he cannot every deepstrike(no taking a psychic test before the game to give him the eligibility to be placed in reserves with the other deepstrikers, nor the ability to take the test before he moves onto the board when he becomes available).

This has already been stated a few times but you seem to be missing the point that he does not always move like jump infantry.

He can't. You CAN'T use psychic powers in reserve. So he'd fall to his doom.

If you really think you should, you would have to roll your psychic test, and if you failed, he'd die instantly as a result of not being able to deepstrike.

I see that for some reason people are missing the crux of the reason why Mephiston can indeed deepstrike. He can deepstrike because he moves like jump infantry.

BloodThirSTAR wrote:I see that for some reason people are missing the crux of the reason why Mephiston can indeed deepstrike. He can deepstrike because he moves like jump infantry.

NO HE CAN'T you seem to be missing the point everyone else is making that he can only move like jump infantry IF he makes his psychic roll, he cannot make that roll if he is not on the table therefore he cannot enter play via deepstrike no matter how much you want him to.

Magnalon wrote:He can't. You CAN'T use psychic powers in reserve. So he'd fall to his doom.

If you really think you should, you would have to roll your psychic test, and if you failed, he'd die instantly as a result of not being able to deepstrike.

QFT

Read this again.

Can does not mean will or must.

Think about it - there are no rules for Mephiston to roll psychic tests in reserve. None.

It's a catch 22. He has to cast wings to "become" jump infantry - he's not jump infantry. His profile does not list him as jump infantry nor does he have a jetpack.

I ask you - can he roll a psychic test in reserve?

BloodThirSTAR wrote:I see that for some reason people are missing the crux of the reason why Mephiston can indeed deepstrike. He can deepstrike because he moves like jump infantry.

Show me where, in the rules, it says that you can use Psychic Powers while in reserve.

Then you will have a case.

I'll also RAW you on this one simply based on the wording.

You have to "move like jump infantry".

Mephiston "moves like jump infantry AFTER casting a psychic test". If you do not cast a psychic test - does Mephiston move 6"? Yes? Then he does not move like jump infantry, RAW.

It's completely different.

BloodThirSTAR wrote:I see that for some reason people are missing the crux of the reason why Mephiston can indeed deepstrike. He can deepstrike because he moves like jump infantry.

So where does he gain the ability to move like jump infantry? I somehow doubt it's idly sitting in his profile. It more than likely has a requirement of passing a psychic test first

BloodThirSTAR wrote:I see that for some reason people are missing the crux of the reason why Mephiston can indeed deepstrike. He can deepstrike because he moves like jump infantry.

Do you even have the codex?

Also, where does a psychic hood have range to stop Mephiston's Wings power if he is in reserves? Does it have range if it's 24" from the board edge [Mephiston]?

Does Shadows of the Warp affect psychic units using psychic test off the board?

There are too many things wrong with this topic, lol.

BloodThirSTAR wrote:Can does not mean will or must.

In order to move as Jump Infantry and therefore deep strike, he must cast a psychic power.

In order to deep strike, he must be in reserve.

You cannot cast a Psychic Power in reserve, ergo, he cannot cast Wings and then deep strike.

I'd hate to play against you, you're consistently incredibly wrong with rules.

I don't use Mephiston so I'm not trying to gain an advantage for my Blood Angels army. It's something I'd gladly let an opponent do.

Can a model that moves as jump infantry deepstrike?
Yes.

The question does not ask 'does a model have to move as jump infantry to deepstrike?'. It's simply asking if a model that can move as jump infantry be able to deepstrike. Mephiston can cast the power WoS that allows him to deepstrike, so that is all that's needed for him to be able to deepstrike, he does not have to be able to move as jump infantry the turn he arrives via deepstrike. Is a unit that moves as jump infantry actually moving like jump infantry when they deepstrike? I'd say no they don't, so going by what others have said no one that can move like jump infantry can deepstrike since they are not actually moving like jump infantry when they deepstrike. Being able to move like jump infantry now allows a unit to deepstrike. Moving like jump infantry and deepstriking are two different modes of movement, assuming you consider deepstriking to be a form of movement - some people don't.

well that doesnt make any sense than does it, DS'ing is concurrent to a 12 inch move, so if he can't move as JI the turn he DS's than how'd he move that far?

I'll try and use small words, since you seem to be having a real hard time with this:

When deploying, Mephiston can NOT move as jump infantry.

Ergo, he can NOT deep strike.

Comprende?

BloodThirSTAR wrote:I don't use Mephiston so I'm not trying to gain an advantage for my Blood Angels army. It's something I'd gladly let an opponent do.

Can a model that moves as jump infantry deepstrike?
Yes.

The question does not ask 'does a model have to move as jump infantry to deepstrike?'. It's simply asking if a model that can move as jump infantry be able to deepstrike NO IT DOES NOT - It states can a model NOT a model that can - you even wrote this yourself. Mephiston can cast the power WoS that allows him to deepstrike, so that is all that's needed for him to be able to deepstrike, he does not have to be able to move as jump infantry the turn he arrives via deepstrike. Is a unit that moves as jump infantry actually moving like jump infantry when they deepstrike? I'd say no they don't, so going by what others have said no one that can move like jump infantry can deepstrike since they are not actually moving like jump infantry when they deepstrike. Being able to move like jump infantry now allows a unit to deepstrike. Moving like jump infantry and deepstriking are two different modes of movement, assuming you consider deepstriking to be a form of movement - some people don't.

Obvious point highlighted I'm done.