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I am curious and I want to wonder/ Wallow in memory lane for while, to jog my memory post your favourite or items of Wargear or equipment that you miss from older editions of 40K (Pre - 5th Edition).

My Votes go to :-

Haywire Grenades (Probably would be quite useful in 5th edition against all this vehicle Spearhead nonsense!)
Hand Flamers
Master Crafted weapons
Needler Sniper Rifles (for Space Marine scouts!)
Anything the Squats used!

were these options for everyone back in the day?

I didnt start til 5th a few months before the IG book came out

I still see those items just not common use.

In the bad old RT days you used to get some mental combinations of Wargear. The worst offenders were Imperial Assassins, they brought a whole new meaning to the words "Tooled up".

I miss vortex grenades being usable outside apoc rules.

mwnciboo wrote:In the bad old RT days you used to get some mental combinations of Wargear. The worst offenders were Imperial Assassins, they brought a whole new meaning to the words "Tooled up".

I love some of the load-outs i have read from the old assassins.


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Also Hand Flamers.
Just something about having a pistol that shoots fire.

Let's see:

Lifta-Droppa's
Hop-Splat Gunz
Squigg Catapults
Mad Boyz

Ah Lifta-Droppa's !! How about the old Shokk attak gun, Hop-Splat guns were ace..

WHat was the Space Marine Weapon in "Space Crusade Mission Dreadnought" was it "Fusion" Cannon or something?

Shuriken Catapults - pre-3rd.

Sonic Dreads and Predators. Those were awesome. Plague Swords and all of the old Daemon Weapons. Namely the Dread Axe (no saves at all if it was on a DP), Kai Gun (S6 AP3 Gun) and Berserker Glaive (2D6 attacks and 4+ invul Save if I remember, and not a horrible drawback like the one we have right now). Axe of Khorne was also fun, as well as the entire library of Daemonic Gifts.

On the Nid side, ALL OF THE UPGRADES FOR THE FEX. Especially Enhanced Senses. Then there was the 3rd edition mutation rules. God how I miss those (I didnt get my nids until the closing moments of 3rd edition Nids, so I didnt get to use them as much).

^ I miss all my fex upgrades, even if I only ever fielded two, it just hurts now to lack in general customobility...

Adamantium mantles (EW for everyone!)

Signature items, the Honnifrica imperialis (super sergeant!), the ability to give chaplains artificer armour, all the crazy gak in the DH codex (gonna be gone soon)

Thudd Guns.

people are mentioning weapons I still think of as new :-)

Rad grenades, Blight grenades, Graviton guns

Looking back, Nids got horrendously expensive in terms of points. Tyrants use to cost 90 points a piece and couldnt even go higher than 200 before. Now if you want a good tyrant, it'd have to hit close to the 300's and starts at 200. Same goes for the fex, it's price doubled while suffering Three Stat penalties. Yeeesh.

mwnciboo wrote:I am curious and I want to wonder/ Wallow in memory lane for while, to jog my memory post your favourite or items of Wargear or equipment that you miss from older editions of 40K (Pre - 5th Edition).

My Votes go to :-

Haywire Grenades (Probably would be quite useful in 5th edition against all this vehicle Spearhead nonsense!)
Hand Flamers
Master Crafted weapons
Needler Sniper Rifles (for Space Marine scouts!)
Anything the Squats used!

collar of khorne personally. for 5 points it was pretty tough to beat and it filled a real need in the last edition of the csm codex. I would dearly love to have it back.

old choppa rules, not really missing now but they used to be there own thing

Didn't the Collar of Khorne turn into Blessing of Khorne in the Daemon Codex?

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Didn't the Collar of Khorne turn into Blessing of Khorne in the Daemon Codex?

I don't remember what that does of the top of my head but if it makes them immune to magic then yes.

Virus grenade. Just toss one and watch the good times roll.

Would the Tyranid Event table count? It was a lot of fun. It was sort of like a pre-fight wargear item.

purplefood wrote:
Also Hand Flamers.
Just something about having a pistol that shoots fire.

BA still have those

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Didn't the Collar of Khorne turn into Blessing of Khorne in the Daemon Codex?

yes... but the only guys who can have it are heralds, blood thirsters and demon princes IIRC and it just applies to them. I would like to see it more available for khorne demons and marines too. the current csm codex is completely naked when it comes to defending against opponents psychic powers. most other codices are not. you would think for guys who live around magic all the time they would have thought up some ways to defend against it




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Ahtman wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Didn't the Collar of Khorne turn into Blessing of Khorne in the Daemon Codex?

I don't remember what that does of the top of my head but if it makes them immune to magic then yes.

Virus grenade. Just toss one and watch the good times roll.

Would the Tyranid Event table count? It was a lot of fun. It was sort of like a pre-fight wargear item.

annuls psychic power that targets the bearer on a 2+

EmilCrane wrote:

purplefood wrote:
Also Hand Flamers.
Just something about having a pistol that shoots fire.

BA still have those

No one else does though. Which kills me 'cos i want hand flamers but not BA.

The eldar Crystal tagetting matrix was awesome but also mean.

You could use it to shoot in your movement phase so you never had to expose your grav tank to LOS. Very overpowered!

There was also some thing that repaired the vehicle as it went round I cant remember what it was called though something like warp spider web or something? Anyone recall?

Most definitely the virus grenade. Pretty much auto win vs orks and IG.

Oh and let's not forget Abaddons 2+ save on 2D6.

Ahtman wrote:
Would the Tyranid Event table count? It was a lot of fun. It was sort of like a pre-fight wargear item.

You mean pre-fight win condition.

I miss Biomorphs.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Ahtman wrote:
Would the Tyranid Event table count? It was a lot of fun. It was sort of like a pre-fight wargear item.

You mean pre-fight win condition.

"Jones is acting strangely" was a lot of fun, but not game breaking.

I miss the old Ork Armor Plates. Having a 6+ save against any penetrating or glancing hit was really cool. I also miss the old Lootas, who all had gets hot weapons which could target teammates. Oops, Sorry Mate! was a masterful special rule.

Imperial Teleporter Jammers, The Foot of Mork, Gate, Vortex Grenades, Aux Grenade Lunchers, Plasma Grenades, IG Orbital Barrage, IG Land Speeders, LR Lascannon Annihilators, Hallucinogen Grenades, Thud Guns, Gravaton Cannons, Vibro Cannon, Stasis Grenades, Power Fields, Targeters, twin linked Lascannon tarantulas (Or any heavy you could think of on it ) and a whole host of other 2nd edition goodies.
I miss those times....so many interesting ways to kill the other guys

The entire 3.5 CSM codex. As a Thousand Sons player, there is practically nothing in the 4th Ed codex I wouldn't replace with things from the 3.5 Ed one.

I also miss quite a few things from the previous 'Nid codex, but the current one has quite a few sweet upgrades of it's own. It just has other issues.

I don't think weapons are lacking so much as the way 3rd 4th and 5th ed have stripped away modifiers and extra rules.(and the complexity of RT 2nd ed swings and roundabouts) which made certain weapons and armour even more uber powerful.

I do miss the Mk 1 plasma weapon rules Sustained fire but more of a chance to overheat.

Oh, and Plant grenades (pointless now).