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I've been dithering. I do this a lot, and I consider it a hobby. I've been trying to give my Marines a facelift for some time and have, contrary to the P&M blog that I posted yesterday (yes, I'm just that ADD), have decided that it would be really cool to create my army from chapters that have been recorded as lost or destroyed.

So if you have any pictures or names of chapters that have been listed as missing or killed in action (i.e. Black consuls, Knights of Eternity, 13th company, etc) I would greatly appreciate it.

thank you

Flesh eaters. it says "fatally undone by their geneseed" but that can be taken as almost wiped out or whatever.
There's a ton of chapters that have bupkiss by way of explanation. ever considered one of those? there's tons of chapters with nothing written about them!

I want to stick to canon as much as possible though. Making up your own stuff is all well and good but working within the fluff is a challenge of the imagination.

but if i dont find enough, then i will certainly do that, thanks for the flesh tearers heads up. I also thought of the Lamentors and such.

It's a very distinct set of guidelines, as there is not a lot of chapters i can think of that count as lost or destroyed. Actually, a lot of them can be drawn from the blood angels dex!
I'm still taking a look for ya, as this kinda made me curious as well.


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Scythes of the Emperor- are listed as being wiped out to about 100 men
Fire angels- Just says a ton of them were killed in the badab war fighting for the loyalists.
More to come if i can find them


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Warhawks & venerators (there's no colourscheme for these) Space Marine chapter destroyed during a Black Crusade which was led by the Daemon Prince Doombreed
Wolf Brothers (no scheme either) Disbanded due to instability of geneseed.

Hope that is helpful to you

Dude thanks! here's my list of Marine chapters that have disappeared or have been reduced to rediculously small numbers, and then disappeared

Black consuls
13th company
Lamenters
Angels of Retribution
astral claws
Astral Knights
Avenging sons
Brazen skulls
Crimson Consuls
crimson castellans
cypher
Dragon Lords
Emperor's Swords
RELICTORS
FLAME FALCONS
grey slayers
Iron Crusaders

Edit: Some of these may be chapters that have simply been reduced to small numbers, or chapters that are altogether extinct.


Looking through every single marine chapter in the lexicanum is very interestin btw

yeah i agree with you there.. Lexicanum is a great place for fluff!
but a couple of the chapters you listed are renegades, and couple others are just ones that it's written they took casualties. Hm, i guess I was being too picky with my criteria!

Mukkin'About wrote:yeah i agree with you there.. Lexicanum is a great place for fluff!
but a couple of the chapters you listed are renegades, and couple others are just ones that it's written they took casualties. Hm, i guess I was being too picky with my criteria!

I was basically listing chapters that existed that I could conceivably recruit from. However there are far more MIA than i could have hoped for so I've become more picky as well . So won't be using the astral claws lol.

However, chapters like the Relictors and Fire Hawks are exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for.

Right on man. Relictors have a great story to them!
Not sure if I helped you any, but it looks like you're on the right track! Best of luck to ya!

Lord PoPo wrote:

Black consuls
Angels of Retribution
Avenging sons
Brazen skulls
Crimson Consuls
crimson castellans
Dragon Lords
Emperor's Swords
grey slayers
Iron Crusaders
Scythes of the Emperor
BlackDragons,Lamenters, other 21st "cursed founding" chapters

That list may do.

Out of curiosity, why did you choose those ones specifically?

I've only recompiled your list.
Any non-recrutable ( ie all turned traitor, chapter ceased to exist,isn't lost but out of reach,...) was deleted. Good suggestions (scythes) were added.
Those from the "cursed founding" would make all good candidates, so I think you should include them.
Others like the 13th co and the fire hawks/ LoD are part of the background and should stay as pure SW-squad / pure LoD squad.
You could throw them in as 'allies', but they got their own fluff as 'standalone force' so it feels wrong to use singular members of these.

The Celestial Lions are missing off your list, but they are virtually confirmed dead on the fields of Armageddon, and the remaining few are intent on joining their dead brethren, so I'm not sure they'd be suitable.

The Cursed Founding chapters are known as cursed for a reason. Every single one of them has met with disastrous luck....putting them all in one place? I would want to be your opponent...your dice will be horrible .

Thanks for all the help, and my luck (especially on saving throws) is so terrible, that maybe the cursed founding would amalgamate their bad luck with mine, cancel eachother out.. And I would start rolling all sixes!

But I use psychic powers... A LOT...

As for the 13th company, the idea is that this battleforce is a composition of all of these forces that are either so reduced in strength that they have no hope of restoring their chapter, or are so reviled as rengade, that they can no longer fight within the structure of the imperium.

The 13th company aren't reviled though, nor the last of their chapter.

They're hailed as heroes, warriors who fought with Russ, and their place at 'The Fang' is kept open for their return.

They're currently running around the Warp hunting the Thousand Sons because they deem the mission Russ gave them not yet complete.

the reasons that the 13th have yet to return are varied and often conflicting. And the 13th company refers not only to the wolves who followed Russ, but also the ones who have fallen from grace, and those who have been banished from the chapter. Hence, according to the space wolves codex "walking the (black or 13th I don't remember which) is considered a great insult" or something like that

however, it seems that people aren't that keen on the idea of including the 13th company in this battleforce, so I probably wont.

I figured I'd chime in, I saw Relictors in bold/caps on your list, I don't believe they were lost, just called traitors by the emperor because of their love for chaos artifacts.

They still fight for the emperor, and have the mid set "Fight Chaos with Chaos."

Their fluff really leaves it open as to weather they are still fighting or have caved into the Chaos gods.

I love their fluff, and I wanted to make a Relictors army at first, just decided to go with Salamanders.

(I don't believe they are missing, because the Inquisition has a close eye on them)

The relictors are another chapter with conflicting fluff but something that is relatively consistent about them is that they are in the eye of terror. Some stories say they are, as you said, closely examined by the inquisition, and others say that they were examined by the inquisition and found lacking, but when justice was to be brought against them, a few of them escaped and now fight chaos with chaos.

I mean to use this second set of fluff, as it doesn't conflict with the first story too much while the opposite is not true.

But codex grey, yellow, and black is pretty awesome

The 13th company are also referred to as the lost company.
Walking the 13th is an insult.
The lost company are hailed as heros by many in the Space Wolves.
Also we tried making a list of all the chapters lost and came up 13 short i think though we got a good few down before we couldn't find any.
Astral Knights are my favorite alongside the Celestial Lions.

Lord PoPo wrote:The relictors are another chapter with conflicting fluff but something that is relatively consistent about them is that they are in the eye of terror. Some stories say they are, as you said, closely examined by the inquisition, and others say that they were examined by the inquisition and found lacking, but when justice was to be brought against them, a few of them escaped and now fight chaos with chaos.

I mean to use this second set of fluff, as it doesn't conflict with the first story too much while the opposite is not true.

But codex grey, yellow, and black is pretty awesome

I have nothing against you starting them, in fact I encourage it, I'd love to see a finished army!

I've actually been working on my homebrew's chapter fluff for quite some time now along very similar lines. The Oblates. They're a repository for lost Astartes chapters. While they do recruitment of their own, every time a chapter is stricken from Imperial records, they are folded into the Oblates. Such happened to the Astral Knights, and almost to the Crimson Fists as well.

My story on them chronicles their rise, unique challenges, and eventual fall by one of their companies to Malal. Malal thrives off of the "underdog" scenario, with the weak struggling against those with power over them. What could be more applicable to an Astartes chapter formed from the ashes of the dead, losing their honor before the Emperor, and slaving endlessly to regain their favor in his eyes?

shealyr wrote:I've actually been working on my homebrew's chapter fluff for quite some time now along very similar lines. The Oblates. They're a repository for lost Astartes chapters. While they do recruitment of their own, every time a chapter is stricken from Imperial records, they are folded into the Oblates. Such happened to the Astral Knights, and almost to the Crimson Fists as well.

My story on them chronicles their rise, unique challenges, and eventual fall by one of their companies to Malal. Malal thrives off of the "underdog" scenario, with the weak struggling against those with power over them. What could be more applicable to an Astartes chapter formed from the ashes of the dead, losing their honor before the Emperor, and slaving endlessly to regain their favor in his eyes?

Exactly.

how do you visually incorporate the different chapters into your army?

revackey wrote:I figured I'd chime in, I saw Relictors in bold/caps on your list, I don't believe they were lost, just called traitors by the emperor because of their love for chaos artifacts.

they were found traitors by the inquisition, not the emperor, the relictors know the difference

revackey wrote:(I don't believe they are missing, because the Inquisition has a close eye on them)

the inquisition don't have a close eye on them, if they did they would destroy them, the relictors aren't lost they are hiding

Lord PoPo wrote:The relictors are another chapter with conflicting fluff but something that is relatively consistent about them is that they are in the eye of terror. Some stories say they are, as you said, closely examined by the inquisition, and others say that they were examined by the inquisition and found lacking, but when justice was to be brought against them, a few of them escaped and now fight chaos with chaos.

I mean to use this second set of fluff, as it doesn't conflict with the first story too much while the opposite is not true.

the relictors fluff does not conflict in anyway at all, there are about 4 fluff references for the relictors each from a different time period

history of the relictors:
1. the fire claws and the inquisitor de marche fighting chaos and the first use of chaos weapon in the chapter and the chapters renaming
2. relictors go on a penance crusade forced on them by imperial forces then the deployment on armageddon, leading to them leaving rapidly to go to the eye of terror
3. they collect more chaos artifacts to replace those taken from them, culminating in their raid on the inquisitorial Diamedes Archive
4. Inquisitor Cyarro leads the Excommunicate Traitoris on the relictors (most likely to retrieve the item taken from the archive as hinted at the end of the fluff piece) a few hundred marines (200-300 most likely) escape to the eye of terror
5 their future has not been covered yet.

where is the fluff conflict?

Yeah alot chapters have been reduced to somthering remants.
Lets see what chapter has almost completely wiped out twice?
Oh yeah the Blood Angels.
once vs the Tyranids
and second time vs the Black Legion.

Apparently the Space Wolves chapter have been reduced to only 1 Great company 3 times in their history.

Lots of chapters apparently have. Of Course I believe the GW writers just ran out of Ideas and just threw that in.
One of my chapters the Wanderers was reduced down to 150 marines. And now they have 250.
But they lost almost all of their commanding staff.
Fire Hawks- Lost everything and only have one company or two I forget.
Crimson fists
Astral Knights- wiped out.
And a few others.
Lementers
Scythes of the Emperor
Imperial Castellians

BluntmanDC wrote:
where is the fluff conflict?

The fluff conflict is in the Space Marine codex, where it says that the relictors have reportedly developed an unhealthy interest in chaos Artifacts, and the inquisition has asked other space marine chapters to keep an eye on them. Which, obviously, implies that the Relictors have yet to be expunged from the Imperium.

However, as I believe I said, I'll be using the fluff reference that you re-posted, which could be interpreted as occurring after the events in the current space marine codex.


@Asherian: The Blood angels are VERY much still involved in the imperium and thus wouldn't work well in this army, thanks for the suggestion though

Asherian Command wrote:Lots of chapters apparently have. Of Course I believe the GW writers just ran out of Ideas and just threw that in.
One of my chapters the Wanderers was reduced down to 150 marines. And now they have 250.
But they lost almost all of their commanding staff.
Fire Hawks- Lost everything and only have one company or two I forget.
Crimson fists
Astral Knights- wiped out.
And a few others.
Lamenters
Scythes of the Emperor
Imperial Castellians

Imperial Swords managed to get themselves completely annihilated twice!

Lord PoPo wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
where is the fluff conflict?

The fluff conflict is in the Space Marine codex, where it says that the relictors have reportedly developed an unhealthy interest in chaos Artifacts, and the inquisition has asked other space marine chapters to keep an eye on them. Which, obviously, implies that the Relictors have yet to be expunged from the Imperium.

However, as I believe I said, I'll be using the fluff reference that you re-posted, which could be interpreted as occurring after the events in the current space marine codex.


@Asherian: The Blood angels are VERY much still involved in the imperium and thus wouldn't work well in this army, thanks for the suggestion though

Then why not The Wanderers? A Christian Knights on steriods? Minus the suspicions.

They are a very cool chapter that I helped create. But I made the characters and all such other stuff.
Lots of cool stuff that happen in the 40k universe.
Black Fists- Completely destroyed except for 90 marines.
Death Guard Loyalists- only 20 left. But probably all dead now.
Rainbow Warriors- Completely Destroyed
Pink Super Uber Marines- Yeah its real, but it was exterminated by my chapter at a gamesday and I decided to add them because they sucked and it was funny Didn't lose a single marine to them, only scouts.
Poke-A-Dots- Yep real, same guy, but failed in that my Chapter wiped them out again.

purplefood wrote:
Imperial Swords managed to get themselves completely annihilated twice!

Sounds like a Red vs Blue Joke.
Sarge, "I Hope YOU GET RAPED TWICE!"

Lord PoPo wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
where is the fluff conflict?

The fluff conflict is in the Space Marine codex, where it says that the relictors have reportedly developed an unhealthy interest in chaos Artifacts, and the inquisition has asked other space marine chapters to keep an eye on them. Which, obviously, implies that the Relictors have yet to be expunged from the Imperium.

However, as I believe I said, I'll be using the fluff reference that you re-posted, which could be interpreted as occurring after the events in the current space marine codex.

its not a fluff conflict its just set at a different point in the timeline, as long as the fluff piece doesn't have a date that conflicts with another date its not a conflict its just part of the story, that piece would slot into the penence crusade part of their history

Lord PoPo wrote:

shealyr wrote:I've actually been working on my homebrew's chapter fluff for quite some time now along very similar lines. The Oblates. They're a repository for lost Astartes chapters. While they do recruitment of their own, every time a chapter is stricken from Imperial records, they are folded into the Oblates. Such happened to the Astral Knights, and almost to the Crimson Fists as well.

My story on them chronicles their rise, unique challenges, and eventual fall by one of their companies to Malal. Malal thrives off of the "underdog" scenario, with the weak struggling against those with power over them. What could be more applicable to an Astartes chapter formed from the ashes of the dead, losing their honor before the Emperor, and slaving endlessly to regain their favor in his eyes?

Exactly.

how do you visually incorporate the different chapters into your army?

I go with a unified, bland color scheme. White primed, with a Gryphon Sepia wash, and details painted on from there. I fluff it as the raw color of Ceramite.

The Oblates are those who have failed both the Emperor and their chapter. They failed the Emperor in their failure to achieve victory in his name. They failed their chapter in not dying with the rest. An Oblate is nothing. No honor, no glory, a complete failure in the eyes of the Emperor. Thus, they are stripped of any title or rank, and issued virgin Power Armor. This is a big deal, as Marines are all about equipment which has been passed down for generations. A brand new bolter is almost a curse. Thus, they are given brand new PA, and not allowed to paint it. Upon achieving various battlefield honors, a Marine will have the honor of painting their own armor.

The more they redeem themselves, the more honors they are awarded. Capes, purity seals, paint, and other decorations are a mark of redemption and glory to the Emperor.

For instance, upon achieving some notable battlefield glory, a Marine may paint their armor bronze. This signifies the first step on the road to redemption. A Marine must have this "rank" in order to wield a Heavy weapon, be a sergeant, etc. Some Marines are black, which signifies a special close combat honor. A lighter bronze is a marksmanship award, a sign of notable accomplishment with a ranged weapon.