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I have noticed that I just dont see as much plasma as I used to. Seemed like last edition everyone was running it, what happened?

I still see a few gaurd players in my LFGS run a unit or two but everyone seems to just copy paste melta squads or melta's in their tactical squads despite what the unit is actually supposed to be doing.

I am thinking of running them in my tact's again.

Thoughts?

Cover saves say hi.

juraigamer wrote:Cover saves say hi.

+1

juraigamer wrote:Cover saves say hi.

so stop shooting all together? Only take flamers?

That makes little tactical sense in my opinion.

Plasma doesnt really work with cover everywhere, people take meltas because they can pop any tank effecitively, unlike plasma, plasma may be good in some situatins, but melta is better, and cheaper

Razerback spam has become popular with las/plaz.... but rarely see it in units as that gets hot can be bad and well..... with everything being mek now a days melta is king.

Interesting.

So when would be an acceptable application of Plasma?

Th3ee Legged Dog wrote:Interesting.

So when would be an acceptable application of Plasma?

vs deep striking heavy infantry (Terminators,Obliterators)
vs Deep striking MC's (Trygon/mawlocs)
vs Lightly armoured Tin-can transport (Raiders, Trukks)
or if your in a fast moving transport
vs heavy infantry, tin-cans, Mc's in general
They exceed in this better than melta do, because of the chance to inflict more wounds on these targets. Or get more penetrating shots.

Nulipuli2 wrote:

because of the chance to inflict more wounds on these targets. Or get more penetrating shots.

That's exactly what i am intending them for.

So drop podding tacticals out of reserve (I have enough anti-tank, it's never a problem) and need that ability to RF crap to death. Been struggling to do this efficiently with Melta and flamers.

This is why I was asking.

Thanks Love! - I AM NOT ACTUALLY SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO YOU, BUT USED A SILLY EXPRESSION TO SAY SO

we'll you said you have enough anti-tank in your list, then i gotta say, Go for it! Plasma gun, Combi-Plasma, and a heavy wepon of your choice,combat squad when the pod comes down, serge and plasma gunner and 3 scrubs in front of the heavy weapon combat squad, to protect them so they get a chance to fire.

The abundance of cover + Mech. Combined with the cheaper cost of melta (Hey 5 points adds up if you're taking 5-6) makes it better in this version of the game.

I love melta weapons, but probably have more plasma. I have in my army:
3 combi-plasmas
5 plasma cannons
4 plasma pistols
2 plasma guns
vs
2 meltaguns
2 multi-meltas
2 combi-meltas

I run a devestator squad with 4 plasma cannons and a combi-plasma to counter all those MEQ armies that keep coming my way. They do a tag-team with my ML devestator squad- ML kills the rhino, PC kills the MEQ. one squad dead a turn.

They are excellent and I make extensive use of them.

4x plasma CCS is my favourite IG infantry squad. It can literally laugh off a trygon. Nobody really notices them in the grand scheme of them, because surely that leman russ must be more of a threat. Then I jump out and turn them into blue glowing goo.

I always did prefer turning enemy infantry into blue glowing glue more than slag and ash. Slag is gross.

I never use it, mainly because i much prefer melta, and also because i dont enjoy turning my troops into piles of slag, like i saw sicarius do once lmao.

I run a lot of plasma in my army; 4x in my CCS, 2 plasma SWS, and my Executioner w/ plasma sponsons. The amount of MC, flaniking/deep striking heaveis, and light armor I run into it makes sense, especially when combined with orders. Only real draw back I found thus far is the aforemention cost, and IG infantry have a tendancy to completely self destruct with plasma.

Melta is cheaper, better against more prevalent Mech, won't kill you, and cover saves killed plasma as an anti-MEQ tool.

Because imperial plasma is pink and no man paints pink.

(seriously Imperial plasma is supposedly based on hydrogen which in a plasma state is pink.)

On the actual point. My Imperial guard amry are like plasma fetishists.

VikingScott wrote:Because imperial plasma is pink and no man paints pink.

(seriously Imperial plasma is supposedly based on hydrogen which in a plasma state is pink.)

On the actual point. My Imperial guard amry are like plasma fetishists.

Is Deuterium and Tritium also pink?

corpsesarefun wrote:

VikingScott wrote:Because imperial plasma is pink and no man paints pink.

(seriously Imperial plasma is supposedly based on hydrogen which in a plasma state is pink.)

On the actual point. My Imperial guard amry are like plasma fetishists.

Is Deuterium and Tritium also pink?

*shrug*

(admitadly I am going off of something I've been told and not my own researching. So I could very well be wrong.)

VikingScott wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

VikingScott wrote:Because imperial plasma is pink and no man paints pink.

(seriously Imperial plasma is supposedly based on hydrogen which in a plasma state is pink.)

On the actual point. My Imperial guard amry are like plasma fetishists.

Is Deuterium and Tritium also pink?

*shrug*

(admitadly I am going off of something I've been told and not my own researching. So I could very well be wrong.)

I recall a fusion reactor prototype in the states somewhere giving off pink light but I can't recall if it used hydrogen or one of its isotopes.

Plasma sucks. In most armies, you can just take melta for equal of less points. It's bad at infantry killing, it's bad at tank killing. Plasma just isn't good.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Plasma sucks. In most armies, you can just take melta for equal of less points. It's bad at infantry killing, it's bad at tank killing. Plasma just isn't good.

Until you realize that it's easier to kill termies and similar with plasma than with melta...

What happened to plasma? 5th ed.
seriously, it's because of all the mech armies floating around.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Plasma sucks. In most armies, you can just take melta for equal of less points. It's bad at infantry killing, it's bad at tank killing. Plasma just isn't good.

Until you realize that it's easier to kill termies and similar with plasma than with melta...

Not really.. At all. Plasma doesn't meet the double strength requirement. And while that doesn't really matter because they have an invul save, it DOES kill every other MEQ unit that doesn't. Melta is much better for those guaranteed kills. I think. Yeah, you get one more shot. But it's rapid fire, so you're gak out of luck in assault even if you do score something good in shooting.

i think im going to start my second space marine army, this time... all on foot, and laugh as my opponent bangs his head on the table while shouting. "WHY DIDNT I TAKE PLASMA!"

I have a massed total of 0 dedicated transports in my 9k of SM.
2 LR, Ursus assault rhino, soon-to-have stormraven, soon-to-have fellblade.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Plasma sucks. In most armies, you can just take melta for equal of less points. It's bad at infantry killing, it's bad at tank killing. Plasma just isn't good.

Until you realize that it's easier to kill termies and similar with plasma than with melta...

Not really.. At all. Plasma doesn't meet the double strength requirement. And while that doesn't really matter because they have an invul save, it DOES kill every other MEQ unit that doesn't. Melta is much better for those guaranteed kills. I think. Yeah, you get one more shot. But it's rapid fire, so you're gak out of luck in assault even if you do score something good in shooting.

See, I understand this but with rapid fire plasma you are forcing two invulns instead of one. So for my drop pod tactical squads, which are not assaulting anyways, forcing two invuln only saves is rather nice.

Obviously it is all about utility and application but I see no reason why plasma cant pop lightly armored tranports with as much efficiency as long as you are rapid firing.

There's many reasons why plasma is much rarer. First is cost, it has become almost universally 15pts for most armies instead of 10. It still also retains Gets Hot!. Additionally, cover saves are far more prevalent in this edition, negating the usefulness of the AP2 in many situations. Finally, it can't kill vehicles anywhere near as well as it could in the previous edition, and melta does a superb job of killing vehicles, and is cheaper and can ID T4 HQ's and the like.

Gets Hot! at this point is a relic of 5pt 3E Blackbook plasma guns that the Design Studio just can't get over, and honestly serves no game balance purpose anymore at this point other than to be punitive simply for the sake of being punitive.

Uhh. I have a plasma army. And I have yet to lose a game with that list.