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2012/12/09 07:12:46
Subject: Re:Gay Marriage goes to the Supreme Court
Nope, I don't feel the need to compromise with bigoted s who feel that "EWW GROSS" is a valid reason for limiting the rights of others.
And yet you assume that anyone who disagrees with you does so only for a specific reason and is of a specific mindset.
I do, because there is no other reason to oppose gay marriage besides "eww, gross".
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Nope, I don't feel the need to compromise with bigoted s who feel that "EWW GROSS" is a valid reason for limiting the rights of others.
And yet you assume that anyone who disagrees with you does so only for a specific reason and is of a specific mindset.
I do, because there is no other reason to oppose gay marriage besides "eww, gross".
You should work on those communication skills, because I am pretty much of the same ideological opinion as you, and everything about your methodology makes me want to switch my stance just to disagree with you.
Why can't I marry a fictional character? Or for that matter, and idea, or an object? We should be able to marry whoever or whatever we want.
My waifu doesn't need legal papers to prove her love, and neither do I, so everything works out. I know I can trust her, and we're always there to hold each other up. Still, I know there are lots of couples who want to take things to the next level that are being discriminated against just because their partner is 2 dimensional. It breaks my heart.
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d-usa wrote: It's about fair time that gay people who split up end up with half as much fabulous stuff. Why should the heterosexuals have all the fun of divorce?
Agreed! Homosexuals should be as miserable as everyone else.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Well you're going to be very disappointed then. Gay marriage is pretty much inevitable, the only question is whether the supreme court decides it now, or it takes a bit more time to pass state-by-state laws and eventually win at the national level. The shift in public opinion is pretty clear over the past few years, and eventually the bible belt isn't going to be enough.
Lol, we already have it in Canada, doesn't mean I have to like it.
Which is a good thing, of course, since the value of your satisfaction on this issue is meaningless, just like it's meaningless that racists aren't happy about interracial marriage being called "marriage".
Oh you and your scarecrows.
I do, because there is no other reason to oppose gay marriage besides "eww, gross".
Well, you know, there are biological reasons, not necessarily accepted reasons mind, but reasons they are.
Oh and religious ones, since I'm not made uncomfortable knowing that gays exist, what they do, and how they act, I think I'm allowed to say I'm against Gay Marriage for reasons aside from, "Eww, gross."
Lol, we already have it in Canada, doesn't mean I have to like it.
Oh man, this is making me nostalgia really hard. I miss Chretien and his "Shawinigan handshake." Most of our current crop of politicians just aren't as cool as that guy.
True. I should correct that to "there are no rational reasons besides 'eww gross'", since all of the other so-called reasons are incoherent nonsense and really little more than a way of pretending to the public that it isn't about "eww gross" and petty bigotry.
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Ratbarf wrote: Well, you know, there are biological reasons, not necessarily accepted reasons mind, but reasons they are.
And what biological reasons would those be?
(Hint: it's not children, since infertile couples are allowed to marry.)
Oh and religious ones, since I'm not made uncomfortable knowing that gays exist, what they do, and how they act, I think I'm allowed to say I'm against Gay Marriage for reasons aside from, "Eww, gross."
Sorry, but it just comes down to "eww gross". There are religious reasons for having a nice god-approved heterosexual marriage for yourself, but there is no legitimate religious reason to deny the title "marriage" to other people. Plain and simple, it's just a case of "eww gross, I don't want my marriage associated with that".
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Bromsy wrote: You should work on those communication skills, because I am pretty much of the same ideological opinion as you, and everything about your methodology makes me want to switch my stance just to disagree with you.
(Hint: it's not children, since infertile couples are allowed to marry.)
Well actually it is children! Since under that reason infertile people would also be denied marriage your argument contrary to it is moot.
The other half is treating homosexuality like any other kind of mental disorder. Can't sign a legally binding contract if you aren't of sound mind.
And before I get jumped on, I said there are reasons, they just aren't accepted. I neither advocate nor believe in these reasons for the denial of gay marriage.
Sorry, but it just comes down to "eww gross". There are religious reasons for having a nice god-approved heterosexual marriage for yourself, but there is no legitimate religious reason to deny the title "marriage" to other people. Plain and simple, it's just a case of "eww gross, I don't want my marriage associated with that".
I'm not sure what to do with you Peregrine, you're one of those people that gets into an argument and pretty much just yells the same thing until the other person gives up in frustration. Then you strut around like you presented an infallible and perfectly logical argument that led to your victory.
Ratbarf wrote: And before I get jumped on, I said there are reasons, they just aren't accepted.
Those aren't reasons, they're just excuses to avoid giving the real reason. Homosexuality being a mental disorder is just laughably false, and anyone with even a trivial understanding of the subject would never believe otherwise. Therefore the people saying that really just think "eww gross", but are trying to cover it with a pretense of it being about some kind of objective facts.
I'm not sure what to do with you Peregrine, you're one of those people that gets into an argument and pretty much just yells the same thing until the other person gives up in frustration. Then you strut around like you presented an infallible and perfectly logical argument that led to your victory.
What else is there to do but yell? I have yet to see a single argument besides "I don't like it", so all that's left is flaming. Feel free to post an actual argument against gay marriage if you want to have more of a discussion.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Those aren't reasons, they're just excuses to avoid giving the real reason. Homosexuality being a mental disorder is just laughably false, and anyone with even a trivial understanding of the subject would never believe otherwise.
Captain Fantastic wrote: Why can't I marry a fictional character? Or for that matter, and idea, or an object? We should be able to marry whoever or whatever we want.
Because a marriage is at heart a contract. A fictional character, an idea, an object, an animal, any of these things lack the capacity to provide the consent required to make the contract a reality. If you're going to make this kind of argument, at least make it interesting and say you want to be married to a corporation.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
Captain Fantastic wrote: Why can't I marry a fictional character? Or for that matter, and idea, or an object? We should be able to marry whoever or whatever we want.
Because a marriage is at heart a contract. A fictional character, an idea, an object, an animal, any of these things lack the capacity to provide the consent required to make the contract a reality. If you're going to make this kind of argument, at least make it interesting and say you want to be married to a corporation.
Oooh now that is the first interesting ghost of an argument to visit this thread so far!
I wonder how exactly that would work... if say individual X got married to AIG. Hmmmm
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
LoneLictor wrote: But then we'll get religious fanatics screaming, "THEN PEOPLE WILL MARRY ANIMALS, BLOW-UP DOLLS, AND DEAD BODIES!" and making other strawman arguments.
That's already happening to a degree. At least in japan.
djphranq wrote: I pray to God that this some how ends well for the LGBT community.
They already have it good they get parades for just being gay or bi can't say the same for straight people, they have no reason to complain (this is not a serious post nor does it reflect my actual beliefs on how gays and bis are treated in society).
Kilkrazy wrote: "Religion" does not "own" the word marriage.
The constitution surely does not allow the United States to reserve a word for religious use.
The trouble is, I think, not over words but the things to which words refer.
Uh, no. Do you have any type of historical reference whatsoever to back that up?
Cheesecat wrote:
djphranq wrote: I pray to God that this some how ends well for the LGBT community.
They already have it good they get parades for just being gay or bi can't say the same for straight people, they have no reason to complain (this is not a serious post nor does it reflect my actual beliefs on how gays and bis are treated in society).
Then why post it?
Go look outside at a busy street. That is the parade for straight people. Our 'parade' happens every single Goddamned day.
And the LGBTQ community has many, many reasons to complain. They are persecuted and ostracized in many parts of society because they were born a certain way, and they are also denied legal rights as a result.
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Go look outside at a busy street. That is the parade for straight people. Our 'parade' happens every single Goddamned day.
Except your example doesn't work because that has nothing with sexuality but the fact that the street is being used by lots of people, which is also isn't a parade either it's just a street that is busy.
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Can you guys not have a pointless fight, especially since Cheesecat said originally that he wasn't being serious?
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I almost got frenched by a dungeon-leather type bear once at a gay pride parade. I barely had time to block his face with my hetero-marriage-ring wearing hand as he was leaning in and turning his head. Straight marriage saved me that day!
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