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If all your rolls were perfect aside from being banned from Las Vegas how good a player would you be?

Where are your strenghts within the game - deployment, tactics vs strategy, army buidling, micro management etc?

Would you beat everything what was put infront of you without having to worry about "luck"?

I probably wouldn't care about tactics considering I run a deathwing army. If I had perfect rolls the only thing that could kill my infantry would be a warscythe or catan phase sword, and then my opponent would have to be lucky with my vehicles.

Unfortunately I don't have perfect rolls... [sigh/]

Though maybe it's a good thing.

Well seen as you would pass all saves, Leadership tests and the like, you would be nigh impossible to beat even if you didn't take out many of your opponents units every turn. Which again would be pretty difficult with 'perfect rolls', but so long as you had a couple of units with an invulnerable save, even a 6+ would do it, your only going to lose out to some kind of instant death dealing type weapon/rule.

As for being removed from objectives, well again there's pretty much no chance whatsoever.

So yes, if I had perfect rolls, I think I'd be unbeatable providing I was still able to plan my own army list.

I guess essentially that you would be 'invincible' by gaming standards, I mean really you could use the 'worst' units in you codex and still very probably win. Though everyones luck will run out eventually, and in this case, probably a very awkward time

If i had perfect dice roll my Loganwing would kick so much ass.

Ok, so what if your opponent had the same ability?

High AP weapons would be king - the only way to kill anything is to deny your opponent a save. And, of course, invulnerable saves are awesome because you never die.

Daemonhunters would suddenly be more interesting (as they have a variety of invulnerable save denying weapons)

Imperial Guardsmen would reign supreme. Battlecannons would liquidfy Guardsmen and Demolishers would annhilate terminators. The average guardsman will also have terminator-like durability, especially veterans with carapace armor.

Here's a better question, what if both you and your opponent always rolled the statistical mean.

Example 1: 10 shots, 4+ to hit roll ALWAYS resulted in 5 hits.

Example 2: 9 wounds, 3+ armor save ALWAYS resulted in 3 casualties.

Taking luck out of the equation, how would you do?

Honestly, sometimes I take long shots that will either win or lose me the game because it pleases me.

Always rolling statistical mean would significantly decrease my enjoyment of 40k.

If me and my opponent both had perfect rolls for ourselves... i'd still win. My regular opponent is IG and my entire army have power weapons or better.

Acutally, someone ran a thought experiment a year ago, that asked "what if you and your opponent both had loaded dice that only rolled 6's?"

The best army wound up being Grey Knights. Everything had an invul save, which meant your models would be literally invincible, while they can also bring units that ignore invul saves.

A close second was a wraithguard army, as every single one of their shots would always suck someone into the warp.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Imperial Guardsmen would reign supreme. Battlecannons would liquidfy Guardsmen and Demolishers would annhilate terminators. The average guardsman will also have terminator-like durability, especially veterans with carapace armor.

Vehicles would be dead in moments since they don't get any kind of save. Every shot of sufficient strength would be an autokill
Guardsmen would die in droves as they so frequently don't get a save. Whirlwinds would make mincemeat of them since it also denies cover saves.

Termies and Daemons would reign supreme as they have invulnerables. (unless daemonhunters are about)


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purplefood wrote:If me and my opponent both had perfect rolls for ourselves... i'd still win. My regular opponent is IG and my entire army have power weapons or better.

What's the point of power weapons against IG?

Scott-S6 wrote:Termies and Daemons would reign supreme as they have invulnerables. (unless daemonhunters are about)

*cough* Or Necrons. *cough*

100% of WBB and Armor Saves and auto-hits and glances with every Gauss shot would be rather nasty. They have quite a few things that ignore Invulnerable and Armor Saves.

The humble Necron Lord with a Warscythe would be the best actually. He can have an invul save and a 3+ armor save, meaning he can use cover saves until he gets close enough to the grey Knight Psycannons (Incinerators would be useless as they cannot ignore his armor save). His Warscythe also negates any saves in close combat.

Ailaros wrote:Acutally, someone ran a thought experiment a year ago, that asked "what if you and your opponent both had loaded dice that only rolled 6's?"

The best army wound up being Grey Knights. Everything had an invul save, which meant your models would be literally invincible, while they can also bring units that ignore invul saves.

A close second was a wraithguard army, as every single one of their shots would always suck someone into the warp.

Just sayin', IIRC the Shokk Attack Gun placed the Orks on top in that list, since it'll totally molest anything it points at with loaded dice. No saves except cover allowed, removes everything it touches with a long range? Yes please.

Actually, if we're going the "only 6's" route.

I'd think DE will come up on top. Why? Loads of non-psy powers insta-death stuffs and invuls over the entire codex.
Though necrons would be hard too...

Or Chaos Sorcerors with Gift. Insta-Spawnhood.

Necrons? Really? Yes, they always pass their WWB rolls, but there are SO MANY WEAPONS in the 40k world that make it so that you CAN'T take WWB rolls.

DE might be able to compete now with flicker fields. The problem is that psycannons would still insta-glib them.

As for the shokk attak gun, I thought there was some sort of wierd penalty to rolling doubles, and rolling a pair of 6's made it explode or something.

If all my rolls were perfect(ly average) I would be amazingly happy & find army building / tactics my strong point. Still working on deployment as my main weakness.

What do you mean by perfect rolls.

Roll what you need every time? Or roll exactly average, as the math suggests they should..

Ailaros wrote:Necrons? Really? Yes, they always pass their WWB rolls, but there are SO MANY WEAPONS in the 40k world that make it so that you CAN'T take WWB rolls.

And a 40 point piece of Wargear that makes it so you can. Without getting into pointless theoryhammer:

Destroyers: At 36 inch range, getting twelve immobilized results on any vehicle that a squadron of 3 shoots at will be pretty brutal. Same for Immortals, Pariahs and anything else with a longish range on a gauss weapon.

Wraiths and Lords would be unkillable.

C'Tan would leave anything without a psycannon face down in chinatown.

Ailaros wrote:Acutally, someone ran a thought experiment a year ago, that asked "what if you and your opponent both had loaded dice that only rolled 6's?"

Problem with that is you would fail every Leadership test. You could not use psychic powers and good lord would you have some serious deepstrike drifting.

Monster Rain wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:Termies and Daemons would reign supreme as they have invulnerables. (unless daemonhunters are about)

*cough* Or Necrons. *cough*

100% of WBB and Armor Saves and auto-hits and glances with every Gauss shot would be rather nasty. They have quite a few things that ignore Invulnerable and Armor Saves.

Except for all the things that stop them getting WBB.

Again, I point your attention to the Resurrection Orb.

It exists.

Necron Lord, Either Armor, Invul or Cover save out in the open, Or Invul Saves in Close Combat. And he ignores Armor and Invul, and there is no Cover Saves in close combat. He would not even need WBB rolls, he can just power through because he will never even loose a wound!

A Destroyer Lord can just constantly Turboboost until he gets into contact with an unit, permanently having a Cover Save along with his 4+ invul and 3+ armor.

Also, I'd like to note that WWB doesnt' work on sweeping advances. Without stubborn, necron would run off the field the first chance they got.

Plus, I thought you still needed to have one of the same kind of model on the board or WWB didn't count.

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purplefood wrote:If me and my opponent both had perfect rolls for ourselves... i'd still win. My regular opponent is IG and my entire army have power weapons or better.

What's the point of power weapons against IG?

If i didn't have them he would get a 5+ for everything that isn't AP 5 or better as he would get 6s all the time and save it.
And at any rate the poer weapons come with the terminator armour so i have to have them.

Ailaros wrote:
As for the shokk attak gun, I thought there was some sort of wierd penalty to rolling doubles, and rolling a pair of 6's made it explode or something.

That's snake-eyes, boxcars removes everyone under the template and auto-pens vehicles. And once you pen, you roll a 6 thanks to your loaded dice...

Oooh, sassy.