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Everyone would run Ork gunlines... well an Ork approximation of a line... and a gun come to think of it.

Ailaros wrote:Also, I'd like to note that WWB doesnt' work on sweeping advances. Without stubborn, necron would run off the field the first chance they got.

How so? If everything else is rolling perfectly there's no way they'd ever be in CC.

Ailaros wrote:Plus, I thought you still needed to have one of the same kind of model on the board or WWB didn't count.

That's true, but why wouldn't this be the case?

Monster Rain wrote:

Ailaros wrote:Also, I'd like to note that WWB doesnt' work on sweeping advances. Without stubborn, necron would run off the field the first chance they got.

How so? If everything else is rolling perfectly there's no way they'd ever be in CC.

Ailaros wrote:Plus, I thought you still needed to have one of the same kind of model on the board or WWB didn't count.

That's true, but why wouldn't this be the case?

If they get hit by something AP 1 or 2 (Not to sure on that rule so i'm not sure wther they get that or not)
Also they won't be able to kill everything before it reaches them. DE for example can set up 1st turn assaults. Then the Necrons would be slightly screwed.

purplefood wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Ailaros wrote:Also, I'd like to note that WWB doesnt' work on sweeping advances. Without stubborn, necron would run off the field the first chance they got.

How so? If everything else is rolling perfectly there's no way they'd ever be in CC.

Ailaros wrote:Plus, I thought you still needed to have one of the same kind of model on the board or WWB didn't count.

That's true, but why wouldn't this be the case?

If they get hit by something AP 1 or 2 (Not to sure on that rule so i'm not sure wther they get that or not)
Also they won't be able to kill everything before it reaches them. DE for example can set up 1st turn assaults. Then the Necrons would be slightly screwed.

AP has no effect on WBB, and if you're looking at DE getting a turn one assault you keep your Warriors in reserve.

If I had perfect dice rolling the game would become incredibly boring.
I like winning by that bare margin.. or losing a close game.
Guess that's why i prefer running new players in. I like giving them that 1st time win

If all my rolls were perfect, I'd probably get bored pretty quickly and stop playing as often, as the game would lose alot of the random element.

I like taking a chance, and sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it doesn't, but it wouldn't be as much fun if it always paid off.

Think if all my rolls were perfect, it would also enlighten my opponent more often to my sacrificial squads that I 'conveniently' make poor movement choices with in order to get big bads into better positions to kill them....and thus kill the excitement of successfully pulling off that tactic as well.

If all my rolls were perfect i could win a game at least once!

If all my rolls were perfect then I wouldn't be reminding myself that "I am the worst player in my meta".

purplefood wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:

purplefood wrote:If me and my opponent both had perfect rolls for ourselves... i'd still win. My regular opponent is IG and my entire army have power weapons or better.

What's the point of power weapons against IG?

If i didn't have them he would get a 5+ for everything that isn't AP 5 or better as he would get 6s all the time and save it.
And at any rate the poer weapons come with the terminator armour so i have to have them.

Just stand and shoot him with bolters. You're invulnerables make you invincible but bolters auto-kill.


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Monster Rain wrote:

Ailaros wrote:Also, I'd like to note that WWB doesnt' work on sweeping advances. Without stubborn, necron would run off the field the first chance they got.

How so? If everything else is rolling perfectly there's no way they'd ever be in CC.

You have no way of guaranteeing that you won't be in combat - there are units that can get into combat without giving you a chance to stop them.

If all my rolls were perfect?

AP1 bolters, for every single shot.

4+ cover save
you lose?

Devastator wrote:4+ cover save
you lose?

AP1 (heavy) flamers b****!

av14 were is your god now?

Exorcists which always launch six shots and always get double sixes on pen/damage.

As to the Necron Lords... C'tan Phase Sword to the neck? Maybe?

Scott-S6 wrote:You have no way of guaranteeing that you won't be in combat - there are units that can get into combat without giving you a chance to stop them.

I may have already explained this.

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Footsloggin wrote:As to the Necron Lords... C'tan Phase Sword to the neck? Maybe?

On a Destroyer Lord you'd be wounding on a 6 and the Lord would be guaranteed its WBB. I'll take that chance.

Destroyer Lord will almost always have a cover save outside of combat, due to Turbo boosting. Phase Shifter gives him a 4+ invul save, and the Res Orb makes sure that he always gets his WBB save. He also ignores all saves in close combat. There is literally nothing better than him since you cant kill him if you always get perfect rolls.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Destroyer Lord will almost always have a cover save outside of combat, due to Turbo boosting. Phase Shifter gives him a 4+ invul save, and the Res Orb makes sure that he always gets his WBB save. He also ignores all saves in close combat. There is literally nothing better than him since you cant kill him if you always get perfect rolls.

Stop ignoring the Shokk Attack Gun!

You don't get invulnerable saves against the Shokk Attack gun?

Any models hit are removed from play, vehicles take an automatic penetrating hit. And it's a large blast.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Destroyer Lord will almost always have a cover save outside of combat, due to Turbo boosting. Phase Shifter gives him a 4+ invul save, and the Res Orb makes sure that he always gets his WBB save. He also ignores all saves in close combat. There is literally nothing better than him since you cant kill him if you always get perfect rolls.

Grey Knights?


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IG gunlines would be pretty badass. Especially the artillery companies.

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Destroyer Lord will almost always have a cover save outside of combat, due to Turbo boosting. Phase Shifter gives him a 4+ invul save, and the Res Orb makes sure that he always gets his WBB save. He also ignores all saves in close combat. There is literally nothing better than him since you cant kill him if you always get perfect rolls.

Grey Knights?

What do they have that ignores 3+ armor and invulnerable saves?

NM, C'Tan phase blade.

Right, shokk attack guns and wraithguns both "remove model from play" not "causes a wound" when you roll right.

Guard artillery would be dumb, because not only do none of them ignore invul saves, but, according to the "6" model, shots would always scatter 12" (unless the scatter die was also weighted).

Guard could still do okay, just from the standpoint that their opponent may always hit and wound, but the imperial guard can bring so many bodies that even if they're all killed or run away, there is no way an opponent can literally reach the objective in time.

Monster Rain wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Destroyer Lord will almost always have a cover save outside of combat, due to Turbo boosting. Phase Shifter gives him a 4+ invul save, and the Res Orb makes sure that he always gets his WBB save. He also ignores all saves in close combat. There is literally nothing better than him since you cant kill him if you always get perfect rolls.

Grey Knights?

What do they have that ignores 3+ armor and invulnerable saves?

NM, C'Tan phase blade.

I was thinking Psycannon iirc that can go through both but it's been a while since i saw the DH codex.

Psycannon is AP4.

If you got a Callidus Assassin in there though, it would be curtains for the Destroyer Lord.

Until WBB time, that is.

Monster Rain wrote:Psycannon is AP4.

If you got a Callidus Assassin in there though, it would be curtains for the Destroyer Lord.

Until WBB time, that is.

Just keep attacking him until he stays down... except he won't because he always gets it and it can't be taken away... the Necron Lord with a Res Orb is invincible.

unless he's simply removed from play, for example, by being shot with a wraithcannon, a shokk attack gun, or is caught in a sweeping advance.

Or a Vortex Grenade I suppose.

So there's four things in the game that can kill him? That's not too shabby.

give the necron lord a phylactery also...so he gets 3 wounds back instead of 1

Quite honestly, even with the indestructible Necron army that I'd run I would almost still assuredly lose due to my...lack of attention to what's going on. I also have the issue of not be tactically sound, but with never dying units that might not be so much of a problem. It'd certainly be quite the show, running a unit of warriors into a group of Nob Bikers to see what happens.