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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 19:45:39
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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I'm cosidering starting a new army and I want it to be CC orientated, so 'Nids and SW come to mind (I already have BA), but I can't decide which. So what do you guys think? Any other suggestions are welcome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 19:52:15
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
Right behind you. No, really.
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Playing both SW and BA would make you lord of Cheese.
Nids.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 19:56:39
Subject: Re:'Nids or Wolves?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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I suppose it would; I am sort of leaning towards 'Nids myself, but let's see what others have to say.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 19:59:28
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Definately Nids. Wolves are only slightly different from BA (they basically share equipment, with only a few special rules differentiating them rather than any drastic playstyle changes). Nids on the other hand is drastically different than any SM chapter, and will provide you with some modelling opportunities.
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Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!
Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 20:00:51
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Major
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stompydakka wrote:Playing both SW and BA would make you lord of Cheese.
cheese is cry of noobs
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 20:16:42
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Terrifying Wraith
Training sheep, Stocking Urchins.
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Yeah. I'd go for Nids', as SW and BA ar too similar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 20:30:07
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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Devastator wrote:
cheese is cry of noobs
Thank you, finally someone gets it.
Back on topic SW & BA can be played very radically differently. THose who say they are only slightly different need to analyze the armies.
One SW list I'm a fan of is:
Logan (Goes with long fangs to grant relentless / Tank hunters)
3 Squads of long fangs 5 strong 4 ML
4-6 (points dependent) 5 man wolf guard squads, one in terminator armor w/ cyclone ML
3 TWC w/ PF SS
3 Lone wolves CF SS & 2 fenrisian wolves to soak up a couple laz/plaz shots.
Let's see BA put out something similar to that.
SW CAN be run very similar to BA or radically different. It's all on how you build the army. Plus you could re-use your models. If you get called "cheese" find better / more competitive opponents.
Tyranids are a harder army to play. You need to worry about your synapse creatures. Since MCs no longer have invulns you will need a couple smaller synpase creatures or make sure you have venomthropes.
I don't think Nids are bad like most people do. I think they sit on the 5th ed plateau of power. Maybe in a shallow spot but they definitely have their competitive builds & can do some damage. Don't ask me what, I don't play Nids but I have seen them do good in a few local tournaments excluding Da Boyz (Of over important comp that makes it so you can win every single game & still not place).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 20:32:33
Subject: Re:'Nids or Wolves?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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Nids, try something new besides more Marines lol. I'm going to start them too as soon as I finish my marine army up. Its up to you though dude, whatever you want =).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 20:35:37
Subject: Re:'Nids or Wolves?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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The Kilted Samurai wrote:Nids, try something new besides more Marines lol. I'm going to start them too as soon as I finish my marine army up. Its up to you though dude, whatever you want =).
That's a good point. MEQs are so incredibly common at the moment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 20:55:33
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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At the moment? Lol, they always have been the most prevalent army. At least in the 9 years I've been playing. Granted it has been various degrees of most prevalent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 20:59:26
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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Shas'O Dorian wrote:At the moment? Lol, they always have been the most prevalent army. At least in the 9 years I've been playing. Granted it has been various degrees of most prevalent.
I've only been playing for 4 years, but come to think of it, they have always been very prevalent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 20:59:35
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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Shas'O Dorian wrote:At the moment? Lol, they always have been the most prevalent army. At least in the 9 years I've been playing. Granted it has been various degrees of most prevalent.
Yeah thats part of the reason I'm going to start a new army soon, I'm just tired of playing other Space Marine players with my Marines. At least this way the fluff makes more sense if I'm playing as a Xeno army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 21:02:46
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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The Kilted Samurai wrote:Shas'O Dorian wrote:At the moment? Lol, they always have been the most prevalent army. At least in the 9 years I've been playing. Granted it has been various degrees of most prevalent.
Yeah thats part of the reason I'm going to start a new army soon, I'm just tired of playing other Space Marine players with my Marines. At least this way the fluff makes more sense if I'm playing as a Xeno army.
I don't particularly like playing SM with other SM either; it just feels..... wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 21:14:10
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Ship's Officer
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I vote Nids. The world of Warhammer 40k can always use more xenos players.
I really truly feel that way, despite the fact that I play exclusively marine armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 21:16:52
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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Xca|iber wrote:I vote Nids. The world of Warhammer 40k can always use more xenos players.
I really truly feel that way, despite the fact that I play exclusively marine armies.
That way you have more opponents for your marines to face that aren't marines!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 21:18:08
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
Right behind you. No, really.
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Yes. We want GW to see more xenos sales and drelease codices
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 21:27:55
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Just note, switching from BA to 'Nids is going to make the army difficult at first, though you have played 4 Years so it may be an easier transition.
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Thunderfrog wrote:
+1 Str for like 5 points? To autocannons or assault cannons? Hell yea. Then the Reinforced Aegis upgrade for free AND the ability to ignore stunned shaken.. pretty much for free..
Other Dreadnaughts should just go somewhere and be a toaster.
Mattieu~~~~ It's not that eldar are bad, it's that they require a lot of intergration between units. Also, that doesnt prove anything other than GW has a huge hard-on for marines, and, given the option between making a xeno the best psykers or making a marine the best psyker, they will 9 times out of 10 choose the marine.
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Tzeentchling9 wrote:Mephy can't be swept. He is still a marine so he has the, "And They Shall Never Get Removed From The Table After Losing Combat Like Everyone Else Because They Are The Poster Boys" special rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 21:31:47
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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Footsloggin wrote:Just note, switching from BA to 'Nids is going to make the army difficult at first, though you have played 4 Years so it may be an easier transition.
Well, we shall see. 'Nids are becoming quite common at my local club. There are at least 3 'Nid armies and only 1 SW and BA player (the BA player is me).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 21:33:09
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Due to Battle for Macragg there are also a disproportionally large number of Nid players where i am too, same goes for Orks.
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Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!
Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 21:34:34
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Due to Battle for Macragg there are also a disproportionally large number of Nid players where i am too, same goes for Orks.
Battle for Macragge was kind of terrible though, wasn't it? I mean, 10 marines and something around 18 'Nids is kind of a bit rubbish.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 21:45:45
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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I'd say Tyranids. That way you can explore with a different race.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 21:50:56
Subject: Re:'Nids or Wolves?
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
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I'll throw in my 2 cents and suggest nids. There are way too many people playing Space Wolves and the 40k universe needs variety.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 23:35:08
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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Nids all the way. I have three Space Marine armies and I recommend against it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 23:42:26
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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SW are a short-ranged army not a CC army. They focus on that magical 12" area. If you want a CC SM army go with BA or maybe BT.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/15 23:43:28
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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CommissarCandlestick wrote:MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Due to Battle for Macragg there are also a disproportionally large number of Nid players where i am too, same goes for Orks.
Battle for Macragge was kind of terrible though, wasn't it? I mean, 10 marines and something around 18 'Nids is kind of a bit rubbish.
With the abundance of nid models and the fact that the SMs were still largely limited to Pamphet codexes at the time, my area had roughly 1:1 SM to Nid ratio. That has completely been destroyed since the arrival of stand alone codexes, as well as Orks being in the new starter set.
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Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!
Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/16 01:02:14
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Nids. The fun to play as a Truly neutral race (by neutral I mean in the backstory, they don't care about anything other than feeling the stomach of the Hive Mind.  ) against anyone is worth the price.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/16 01:26:47
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you want a CC army that's completely unlike BA, I suggest Orks!
Out of the two options you've presented though, I will go against the class and suggest Space Wolves.
To be truly honest, the Tyranid army lost almost all its flavor, customization, feel and well ... basically just about everything that made me want to play them in the first place ... when the new "codex" (and I use that term loosely when applied to that fetid piece of scragspawn) came out. Seriously. It, more than any other book in recent memory, showcases "we don't give a crap about making it fun, we give a crap about getting your goddamn money". The book is bad. Numerous options don't have models, and some of your favorites from the old 'dex are now mostly relegated to cheerleading thanks to the new (expensive) models. I'm looking at you Carnifexes. I'm looking at you Lictors. Basically I have an inordinant amount of Tyranid models just sitting in my "closet of shame" now. It honestly breaks my heart.
Space Wolves, on the other hand, have an awesome new book. Psychic power discussion aside (you can complain about Jaws all you want folks, play against Eldar regularly and then tell me how "broken" it is!), I think it's one of the more balanced and well prepared books there is. We got new models, but not flashy new things made for the codex, no no. The new Space Wolves box for Grey Hunters / Blood Claws is fantastic. One of the best recent boxes, bar none (as long as you ignore the He-Man head...) I understand you already have a Space Marine army, and I can understand if you don't really want another one. My progress on Salamanders has ground to a halt while I work on my Orks. (Seriously, give Orks a chance!)
But really, given the two options you present, Space Wolves are the way to go.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/16 01:43:02
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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While I agree with your stance on Tyranid's customization and fluff needs, I still think they're a better choice in this case. The OP already plays an MEQ army and the wolves (while different than the BA) are largely still Marines. Tyranids will provide a new atomsphere for him (and definately a different mentality).
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Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!
Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/16 01:46:25
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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All well and good, but frankly they're no longer much fun to actually field.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/16 01:58:48
Subject: 'Nids or Wolves?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Depends on your opponent. There's nothing funnier than a Necron player realising a Trygon just popped behind his gun line, then realising he cant charge after he rapid fires.
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Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!
Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. |
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