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Can someone please tell me everything there's is to know about the monolith and how to use it to its full potential, and also the night bringer!
Thanks a lot fellow gamers!

Night Bringer isn't worth it. Better tot ake the Deciever. The Monolith... well it just is... toughest tank in the game, take 3 to shield your warriors and you'll probably win.

really, night bringer not worth it??? i just bought the army off a mate and he said he's probably one of the best miniatures in the game. What are the bests traits of the deceiver?

Okay.
The Night bringer is good. Possibly the best in the game. But he is overkill against everything. Better to save points and use the deciever who is just as good (against other people) and can really mess an army up during deployment. He is also impossible to tar pit (bogg down with lots of chea troops)

The most important thing to know about Necrons is that you shouldn't play them.

Fafnir wrote:The most important thing to know about Necrons is that you shouldn't play them.

A Dakka member named DashOfPepper managed to beat a 4000 point Tau and SW alied army with 2000 points of Necrons.
Necrons can be played competetively but they suffer from old codex syndrom which limit their effectiveness.

The Monolith is VERY situational as to how to use it. The one major thing it's primarily used for in most lists is to shield Warriors. Beyond that it's going to really be up to you on whether you fire the Particle Whip or teleport a few guys through. There's no real "if this happens - do this" for a Monolith. It depends on what you're up against, what the board and it's residents look like at the time, and how close you are to the end of the game.

As for the Nightbringer....I'm not sold he's useless compared to the Deceiver in higher point games. Strength 10 means that even a lot of HQ characters without Eternal Warrior die in one unsaved wound.

Tactic wise you use him to charge their scariest melee unit.

I'm not saying the Nightbringer is useless. He is overkill. If you take the Deciever and save points you can use him to skew the enemy deployment slighty which can help swing the odds in your favour.

purplefood wrote:

Fafnir wrote:The most important thing to know about Necrons is that you shouldn't play them.

A Dakka member named DashOfPepper managed to beat a 4000 point Tau and SW alied army with 2000 points of Necrons.
Necrons can be played competetively but they suffer from old codex syndrom which limit their effectiveness.

But that's DashOfPepper we're talking about here.

Fafnir wrote:The most important thing to know about Necrons is that you shouldn't play them and expect to win.

There ya go, fixed!

stalkerzero wrote:As for the Nightbringer....I'm not sold he's useless compared to the Deceiver in higher point games. Strength 10 means that even a lot of HQ characters without Eternal Warrior die in one unsaved wound.

Tactic wise you use him to charge their scariest melee unit.

Except for the fact that almost every 5th ED CC unit can each him alive and any amount of massed fire kills him. I used to love using him and the Deceiver in 3rd and somewhat in 4th. Now I just see them get eaten up by other special characters like Mephiston who cost much less points.

I much rather take an extra 'lith than a C'tan these days.

Destroyer wrote:

Fafnir wrote:The most important thing to know about Necrons is that you shouldn't play them and expect to win.

There ya go, fixed!

No, I stand by my original statement. You shouldn't play Necrons.

Not only are they just plain bad on the tabletop (by virtue of being old as hell), they're simply boring as hell to play as or against.

Fafnir wrote:

Destroyer wrote:

Fafnir wrote:The most important thing to know about Necrons is that you shouldn't play them and expect to win.

There ya go, fixed!

No, I stand by my original statement. You shouldn't play Necrons.

Not only are they just plain bad on the tabletop (by virtue of being old as hell), they're simply boring as hell to play as or against.

I like them. My regular gaming buddy layed them for a while and they were alwyas a good game despite their out-dated codex.

I've never lost a game with my necrons. They are a very powerful army, and thanks to people like Fafnir, they are also underestimated. I like my opponents to think they're going slap my necrons around like they heard on the internet, makes it even easier to beat them.

Necrons are actually harder to play until 5th comes out, but it lies more in good strategy now. Using the monolith to move your crons out of hand to hand have them shoot rapid fire then get +1 for assault is nice.

If you are doing a seize and hold scenerio warm destroyers through your monolith for a nice long distance.


1 model within 18" of Monolith + Size of monolith + Destroyers within 2" of front door of Monolith + Destroyers Turbo,
18" + 6" + 2" + 12"


18+6+2+12=38" Move.

38" will at least allow you to contests a point and either tie or win.

38" move?
ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!

Basically the Monolith can make the Destroyers faster than Speedy Gonzales.

The monolith can redeploy a killer unit accurately with no risk to it. Since 40k is about contesting points 2/3 of games, it can win the game. Kit a lord with warscythe and nightmare shroud, put him in a unit of Warriors or immortals. Your monolith will be in the middle of the board due to the Projectors. Transport the lord and unit into the middle of any army with lots of Ld 7/8 and unveil the shroud. A bunch of units will run. Shoot one supporting an objective. Or use flayers and charge an isolated unit if the Mono hasn't moved - 30 attacks plus warscythe should crush a unit.

The monolith is essentially an unpredictable redeployment platform, and you should use it as such.

Fafnir wrote:The most important thing to know about Necrons is that you shouldn't play them.

Agreed!

purplefood wrote:

Fafnir wrote:The most important thing to know about Necrons is that you shouldn't play them.

A Dakka member named DashOfPepper managed to beat a 4000 point Tau and SW alied army with 2000 points of Necrons.
Necrons can be played competetively but they suffer from old codex syndrom which limit their effectiveness.

Right also he didn't know the Deceiver's redeployment rule and basically put him anywhere on the board which affected a HUGE part of the game.

So it sounds like the people who know how to use them think they're good, while the people who don't know how to use them think they're crap...yeah.

No, they're crap, even if you know how to use them. Codex creep and limited unit options have ensured that.

Yes, you can still win with Necrons. Just don't expect to win against any good players.

Actually Fafnir, youre talking crud. Please outline why you have this ridiculous opinion, and back it up with some evidence?

Anyone can win with necrons, even against experienced players. The key is to maximise the use of the most important units, and know which units to not even consider taking.

Certain necron lists can also be barrels of fun to play against. I once ran 3 units of heavy destroyers, and by turn three there was a mega-squad of 8 jetbiking lascannons flying around popping stuff for the fun of it.

Played in the right hands, the necrons can be devastating.

Okay, tell me, how the hell are the Necrons going to beat a sensibly built mechanized Imperial Guard list?

Likewise, how are you going to beat a mechanized Blood Angels list, which can outmaneuver and outpower you?

And I'm not going to even get started with Space Wolves.

The simple fact of the matter is that every battle for the Necrons is an uphill battle. Yes, they can be destructive, but so can the Daemonhunters codex. That doesn't make it good. Any army can kill things. That's kind of the entire point.

I notice you failed to answer my question.

Triple monolith is a scary build, regardless of who your opponent is.

Assuming your "sensible guard list" has vets/meltas/chimeras, destroyers own these. Tougher vehicles are harder to destroy, but with even the most basic necron being able shake a vehicle, i woulddn't be worried about surviving.

Blood angels I will concede, as their sheer power is often too much. Particle whips are again helpful, unless fighting a DOA army. You can get lucky against a DOA army sometimes, as the target count is relatively low, allowing you to focus fire.

I have lots of joy against the Space pups. Sure they can missle me to death, but when they do i'm likely to get back up. They aren't. Only 1 winner in a war of shooting attrition there.

Kurgash wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Fafnir wrote:The most important thing to know about Necrons is that you shouldn't play them.

A Dakka member named DashOfPepper managed to beat a 4000 point Tau and SW alied army with 2000 points of Necrons.
Necrons can be played competetively but they suffer from old codex syndrom which limit their effectiveness.

Right also he didn't know the Deceiver's redeployment rule and basically put him anywhere on the board which affected a HUGE part of the game.

That game shouldn't be cited, even if I agree with the premise that Necrons aren't as bad as the internet echo machine likes to say that they are.

liam0404 wrote:I notice you failed to answer my question.

Triple monolith is a scary build, regardless of who your opponent is.

Assuming your "sensible guard list" has vets/meltas/chimeras, destroyers own these. Tougher vehicles are harder to destroy, but with even the most basic necron being able shake a vehicle, i woulddn't be worried about surviving.

Assuming you would get in range? LRBT and Basilisks would drive the entire army into the ground with little resistance.

I have lots of joy against the Space pups. Sure they can missle me to death, but when they do i'm likely to get back up. They aren't. Only 1 winner in a war of shooting attrition there.

It's a shame that you'd be utterly curbstomped once they get close. Necrons have absolutely nothing that can stand a chance against Thunderwolf Cavalry. And it's not like they'd do too well against anything else either.

And how many thunderwolf lists have you seen recently?

Long fang + lasplas spam = Happy days for necrons. That, and it's only like the most common space wolf list....

Of course there are specialist lists which will kick ass, i'm not disputing that. Im saying that with balanced lists, Necrons can compete. To say otherwise is just ignorance to be honest.

liam0404 wrote:And how many thunderwolf lists have you seen recently?

A lot, actually. In fact, the vast majority of Space Wolf players I've gone against have used TWC.

Of course there are specialist lists which will kick ass, i'm not disputing that. Im saying that with balanced lists, Necrons can compete. To say otherwise is just ignorance to be honest.

And so can Rudy. But that doesn't mean he can do it very well.

Well if TWC is common in your area, fair enough. I've yet to see a single unit of it in my area.

Its so easy to rule out necrons because of their codex, but until you actually get into the game, you can't know who will win. That's the downfall of many a necron opponent - counting their killpoints before a single shot is fired.

If you like Necron, play Necron. You can look at any Xeno race and they have issues against Space Marines. The universe is designed that way. SM's are the heroes, you are the villain. You may not win all your games, but the first few turns you will make their sphincter tighten. Necrons are viable. Just go with what you like, you will spend more hours building and painting than you do playing them anyway, probably, so paint what you love...