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Dear Dakka Dakka users

The monolith has a mighty particle whip, but how is that thing mounted??

the codex doesn't state a way it's mounted, nor does the rulebook.

so as there are no actual indications, 360° all round?

Or is there something deep down written or obviously written that I overlooked?

Looking at the monolith's build maybe it can only fire within 45°.

what do you say...

It is 360 degrees. If the Monolith sees it and is in range it is shootable. Monolith doesn't have the same type of...issues with weapons pointing in the direction of the enemy. It is great.


If you transport troops from one spot to another though they can only exit the front door.

The particle whip is a lightning arc shot out from the crystal on top of the thing. It's basically a turret that can rotate 360 degrees.

Not exactly true - the FAQ says you measure the PW range and LoS from "...any of the Mono weapons" p3. And you cannot also fire the GFPs.

The crystal is a weapon...
So with that then with the PW you can actually get a couple more inches by using the guns. NICE THNX GW! Non Nec players just facepalmed.

When it doubt the Monolith can do it. Quite simply the best vehicle in the game.

"When it doubt the Monolith can do it" Quite right! That's on p5 of the FAQ...

The AP1 confuses me though, I think it just means the inner circle of the big blast is 1 I have been playing like this tell me I am wrong please

The inner circle is not AP1, it's the actual hole in the template that is.

Smolo82 wrote:The crystal is a weapon...
So with that then with the PW you can actually get a couple more inches by using the guns. NICE THNX GW! Non Nec players just facepalmed.

I don't know that the crystal is identified as a weapon anywhere, so firing from the actual gun barrels that stick off every corner seems to be the correct way to fire it...and it gets you a couple extra inches of range.

In DOW: Winter Assualt it shot a beam out from the crystal that wrecked tanks and infantry alike...

so to make all your posts short, the Mono can fire 360° and if we follow it to the letter, GW actaully states that we can make it fire from our visible turrets?! haha

RutgerMan wrote:so to make all your posts short, the Mono can fire 360° and if we follow it to the letter, GW actaully states that we can make it fire from our visible turrets?! haha

Yes you can fire from any of the turrets...though I don't know it the turrets can each turn more than 90 degrees so you may have some small very specific blind spots that require more careful positioning of the Mono.

zeshin wrote:

RutgerMan wrote:so to make all your posts short, the Mono can fire 360° and if we follow it to the letter, GW actaully states that we can make it fire from our visible turrets?! haha

Yes you can fire from any of the turrets...though I don't know it the turrets can each turn more than 90 degrees so you may have some small very specific blind spots that require more careful positioning of the Mono.

Yep 90 degrees, but at least you cant destroy any of the monolith weapons (you can only give flux arc -1 to its D6 roll, and technically it says something along the lines of minus -1 )

I think the codex says the crystal fires the massive beam... oh well will have to check don't have it with me at this time.

Smolo82 wrote:The crystal is a weapon...
So with that then with the PW you can actually get a couple more inches by using the guns. NICE THNX GW! Non Nec players just facepalmed.

Since you measure from the mounting of the gun, you are basically measuring from the hull.

Firstly as per the Necron FAQ 2009, in the Monolith section there is a paragraph that states how to fire the Particle Whip, it states 'The particle whip uses the large blast marker and its range and line of sight are measured from ANY of the Monolith’s weapons', so personally if that gives me a few extra inches then i'm using the gauss flux projectors to fire it.
Che-Vito as per page 56 in BRB under Vehicles & Measusing Distances on the second paragraph it states there is a notable exception being the vehicles weapons and when firing vehicles weapons, ranges are measured from the muzzle of the firing weapon while LOS is determined by the mounting, so for a Monolith is does give a further range of a couple inches when firing from the muzzles of the gauss projectors rather than the crystal itself.

Userarm wrote:Firstly as per the Necron FAQ 2009, in the Monolith section there is a paragraph that states how to fire the Particle Whip, it states 'The particle whip uses the large blast marker and its range and line of sight are measured from ANY of the Monolith’s weapons', so personally if that gives me a few extra inches then i'm using the gauss flux projectors to fire it.
Che-Vito as per page 56 in BRB under Vehicles & Measusing Distances on the second paragraph it states there is a notable exception being the vehicles weapons and when firing vehicles weapons, ranges are measured from the muzzle of the firing weapon while LOS is determined by the mounting, so for a Monolith is does give a further range of a couple inches when firing from the muzzles of the gauss projectors rather than the crystal itself.

Yup I dont have my Mono here at work but it say its between 2-4 inches extra.

Userarm wrote:Firstly as per the Necron FAQ 2009, in the Monolith section there is a paragraph that states how to fire the Particle Whip, it states 'The particle whip uses the large blast marker and its range and line of sight are measured from ANY of the Monolith’s weapons', so personally if that gives me a few extra inches then i'm using the gauss flux projectors to fire it.
Che-Vito as per page 56 in BRB under Vehicles & Measusing Distances on the second paragraph it states there is a notable exception being the vehicles weapons and when firing vehicles weapons, ranges are measured from the muzzle of the firing weapon while LOS is determined by the mounting, so for a Monolith is does give a further range of a couple inches when firing from the muzzles of the gauss projectors rather than the crystal itself.

Ah, good call.

Aman wrote:"When it doubt the Monolith can do it" Quite right! That's on p5 of the FAQ...

whatis FOW? BL fiction?

Aman wrote:

Aman wrote:"When it doubt the Monolith can do it" Quite right! That's on p5 of the FAQ...

whatis FOW? BL fiction?

Don't know haven't read a book with necrons in it yet.

Try Dead men Walking - Necrons and Death Korps. Pretty good novel.

New Monolith Question here :

It states within the living metal rules that "in practice, any weapon attacking the monolith will roll for armour penetration using its UNAUGMENTED strength and a single d6 no matter what."

Now my question, as emphasised above, is that since they also mentioned monstrous creatures and other close combat weapons, does this means you cannot have the doubled strength for like having a power fist? since it augments strength and such...

Hope you guys have answers thx

P.S. sorry for necro thread (didn't wan't to start a new one :p)

RutgerMan wrote:New Monolith Question here :

It states within the living metal rules that "in practice, any weapon attacking the monolith will roll for armour penetration using its UNAUGMENTED strength and a single d6 no matter what."

Now my question, as emphasised above, is that since they also mentioned monstrous creatures and other close combat weapons, does this means you cannot have the doubled strength for like having a power fist? since it augments strength and such...

Hope you guys have answers thx

P.S. sorry for necro thread (didn't wan't to start a new one :p)

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1490294a_FAQ_Necrons_2009.pdf

Q. Does a model with a powerfist/claw that
attacks a Monolith get to double its Strength for
armour penetration rolls?
A. Yes, powerfists/claws, thunder hammers, and
so on still double their user’s Strength when
attacking a Monolith.


And, feel free to start a new thread. That's much preferred to Necro.

The FAQ answers this. Modifiers applied to the model's strength value work against monoliths.

Yep. The unaugmented strength of a powerfist is 2S, where S is the strength of the user. Ths confuses a lot of people, hence the FAQ....

The key word in the rule is 'the strength of the weapon.' Not the model. That's why pfists work against living metal.

kk thx guys really bothered me alot (though I always gave my opponents the double strength without any complain)

Jidmah wrote:The FAQ answers this. Modifiers applied to the model's strength value work against monoliths.

Actually, it does not say that. It says that powerfists work. It says nothing about things like Furious Charge or other abilities that augment the models strength. IMO, no, such abilities do not work. If they did, then they would be part of the powerfists strength to begin with, not a 2xST +1. See that +1, that's a modifier.

As per BRB pg. 7, powerfists are also modifieres.

Your argument is wrong.