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Hey,

I was reading some other threads about all the dirty/naughty stuff slaanesh followers are doing daily, and I wondered if some one had already made a... how can I say... a PG-18 army or something :p

I mean, like the models are showing "stuff", and are doing things, everything. And would it be ok in tournaments?

Well, maybe that wouldn't be a good idea, because there are kids there... "Daddy, why is the lady eating the tentacle of-" "Ok, we should leave, son."

There are a lot of Khorne armies with blood and murder, so why not? Lots of possible conversion ideas

What do you think? Already seen it? Wanted to do it?

Not interested.

That hurts, man :(

That seems to be aprt of today's society-blood and guts are acceptable but kinky stuff is a no no. Its probably a reason why the newest Demonettes have covered chesticles.

Its your army, your expression and interpretation of what you think it should be like, so you should do what you want. Failing that maybe just the more centre piece models could be explicit to make them stand out from the rest.

SOM

Actually I'm not really into playing bad guys, but it's just that when you meet a Khorne army, you feel "Argh, they seem so violent :S", when you meet a Nurgle army, you feel "Ergh, stay away, you're too dirty, and you look like you smell"

And when you meet a Slaanesh army, well, you're only "Yeah... You look kinda weird yeah, but that's ok :/". I would like Slaanesh armies to make you feel more like "Ewww >_< Don't want to look at that "

I'm not only talking about boobies everywhere, but stuff that makes opponent feel incomfortable. Like Greater Daemon without his loincloth, and his "stuff" hanging on, and some naked girls/guys/animals laying down at his feet (maybe a SM without his pants :p)

Just make them disturbing, rather than just weird and colorful.

gak, now I want to make a Slaanesh CSM army :p

Yeah since kids play with these models as well it's not going to happen really and would you really want to see a daemon's

Well no, of course I don't :p

But that should be the point of Slaanesh models: showing you what you didn't want to see ^^

Oh nice a slaanesh army, havent one of those in a while, OH SWEET JESUS, that sint where where you put tenticles, I dont even know what that is **vomit**

People do depict nudity for slaanesh models, but I have never seen anyone depicting the sorts of eretical acts they get up

Haha, yes, that's what a Slaanesh army should be

Maybe you can make the enemy reroll is hits, because they can't look at it :p

Violence and murder are fine.

consensual sex isn't.

Go Figure!

Phototoxin wrote:Violence and murder are fine.

consensual sex isn't.

Go Figure!

Sadly Slaanesh doesn't always require it to be consensual.

Taoofss wrote:Not interested.

Wow. We got a bull in a china shop here he was wanting input or links to awesome mature armies. I for one fully support the creativity if you can make it.

Shattered Soul wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Violence and murder are fine.

consensual sex isn't.

Go Figure!

Sadly Slaanesh doesn't always require it to be consensual.

Luckily, Slaanesh make you consensual. For everything.

I for one fully support the creativity if you can make it.

Thanks! What would be awesome would be to manage to win a Games Day prize or something... Just to see if they can publish it in White Dwarf or not

If you make an entire army based on sex, it'd be passed off as immature. Look around at the best painted/modeled Khornate armies; you surprisingly won't find that much blood.

Slaanesh isn't all about sex. It's about excess. You could very well make an Emperor's Children army laden in ridiculously ornate armor. You could make a Noise Marine army with a "drugs, sex, rock&roll" theme. You could make a Chaos Daemons army based on grace and seduction.

Nowadays, simply equating Slaanesh with sex and trying to model an army after shock-value is nothing more than immature.

thats about as far as I go with my army. I considdered ading the lower lady parts but with the amount of small kids running around my FLGS its best if I dont

Absolutionis: QFT

Absolutionis wrote:If you make an entire army based on sex, it'd be passed off as immature. Look around at the best painted/modeled Khornate armies; you surprisingly won't find that much blood.

Slaanesh isn't all about sex. It's about excess. You could very well make an Emperor's Children army laden in ridiculously ornate armor. You could make a Noise Marine army with a "drugs, sex, rock&roll" theme. You could make a Chaos Daemons army based on grace and seduction.

Nowadays, simply equating Slaanesh with sex and trying to model an army after shock-value is nothing more than immature.

Agreed. Terribly ornate armor and weapons, huge banners, extremely bright conflicting colors, that should be more the general direction. Especially the colors...I recall reading that the senses of slaanesh worshipers get burned out, and it takes something very bright, loud, etc to even get their attention.

If you need some sexy, think of using DE minis, esp wytches, as cultists & command. A simple weapon swap and paint job to CSM colors is all you would need.

Thing is, I'm not talking about sex in the sexy way, more like... "grotesque". It's not about having girls kissing each other or two marine in doggy style on a predatop hatch :p

I think examples of what I have in mind would be better than long explanations.

Imagine a dreadnought, except that instead of its usual robotic "chest", it has a woman, like WH Penitent Engine. The girl is bare chested, maybe has beastman legs (or maybe lizardman), a loincloth covering her groin, and a broken CSM helmet. She's held in suspension by tentacles coming from the dreadnought body, tying her, groping breasts and going under the loincloth (you don't see the details). There is blood on her beastman legs.

Above her is a robotic head, totally metallic, with an obviously organic distorted phallus coming from its wide open mouth. Some half human / half animals, or half demonette half animals, or half male / half female are empaled on its claws, and tied by tentacles.

Other example:

Greater daemon of Slaanesh. A girl has her legs around his waist, and his obviously on his... well, you know. Junction is covered by the loincloth. She doesn't have a head. Severed head is in the Daemon's hand, smiling, or he is kissing her or something. Girl's body is held into place by tentacles coming from the daemon's nipples. On the floor are other naked mutilated bodies, also smiling.


See, there is sex, but it's not sexy (well, I hope not). And if I had to face such an army, I would really disturbed, and that's why a Slaanesh army should do.

I searched for other examples of other disturbing excesses, but they are quite difficult to represent. Possibility would be marines with tanks in the back, and tubes from the tank to their mouth, ears, or cut nose, but difficult to show that it's alcohol/drugs. Self-mutilating guys could be visually good too.


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Ok, so these horrible models propositions were too much, everyone ran away? ^^'

Part of the issue is what is left to the imagination is generally more disturbing than what is rendered in miniature. Especially in GW's messed-up scale.

Also, most of us come from pretty decadent societies, at least compared to history. There's a lot that's socially OK. So what could someone come up with for Slaanesh that is actually disturbing to anyone who has browsed the Internet a bit, looks good at 28mm (but with giant heads and hands), and still looks like a believable battlefield situation?

Easier to just hint at that in the background, rather than show it and let the audience down.

Well, might try to make one of the above-mentioned conversion, just to see if there's something to be done, or if it's too much for modeling

I really think there's something to be done, that could look interesting

(only problem is that painting Slaanesh guys is a looot more difficult than IG uniforms or SM armors ^__^° )

Well if you just wanted to disturb my wife you could put miniature versions of the ball sacks that you might see on trucks on any defilers and soul grindders you have in your army. A quick check on google gave me the site BullsBalls.com and look for truck nutz. You could also do plasticard truck flaps with the naked woman outline on them and old army nose art on the sides. Nothing too preverse about those.

But, after seeing your post about the dread it looks as if your leaning towards the more tentacle porn direction. In that case you have to know who your going to be playing with (the game) and what would be acceptable in the store or house your planning on gaming at.

Seems like a juvenile attempt. Slaanesh is all about sensation. Sound, touch, taste, you name it. The thrill of the experience. You are focusing far too much on sexual violation. Slaanesh marines are more like burned out dope fiends. There is nothing beautiful or shocking left, just a jagged spitual hole that they are desperately trying to fill. Tentacle rape and other bizarre fetishes are just a gateway (and completely inappropriate for most game stores) just as narcotics, music, artistry or any other source of sensation is. And the source of sensation is the brain.

Thing is, as you may know, sex and violence are deeply related. And back in France (yeah, come from there), we have a lot of painters that tried to represent this duality, and it's really interesting, because on some of them you can't say if what you are seeing is violence or sex.

And well, only thing I know how to paint are miniatures Can't draw at all, but modeling is a media by itself, so I find it interesting to represent this through miniatures.

But yes, after thinking about it, I realize that it would be totally inappropriate for a FLGS or tournament :p Might keep it as a shameful secret in my painting room, and keep it only for close friends, and warned audience ^^

Guts are fine. Blood is fine. Boobs can be pulled off. But anything beyond that shouldn't be touched, IMO.

Sure you can argue this and say "But violence is A-OK!" but think. That's what our society accepts. However, things explicitly showing sex are not. That's just the way it is.

Now, you can go for it. I don't really care, but don't expect everyone to be so accepting.

And, on another note, just out of common decency, make sure no children see your army.

Absolutionis wrote:If you make an entire army based on sex, it'd be passed off as immature. Look around at the best painted/modeled Khornate armies; you surprisingly won't find that much blood.

Slaanesh isn't all about sex. It's about excess. You could very well make an Emperor's Children army laden in ridiculously ornate armor. You could make a Noise Marine army with a "drugs, sex, rock&roll" theme. You could make a Chaos Daemons army based on grace and seduction.

Nowadays, simply equating Slaanesh with sex and trying to model an army after shock-value is nothing more than immature.

I can only agree. Nice avatar.

Sex is just one tiny aspect of Slaanesh. it's difficult to represent Slaanesh well with the minis but partial nudity would work. Also, I'd have lots of androgyne or hermaphroditic elements, like CSMs with one breast. Disturbing stuff, like a unit with an open back (seen Blade 2?) or even a Noise marine who carries around the head of a child - or even worse - the child. Slaanesh is as the quoted poster put so well all about excess and numbness. Like you get beautiful looks but can't see them, got a great ear but only take pleasure in the most disharmonic sounds possible - what might've been once a nice asset was turned against you and I see Slaanesh is a very sadistic God and his followers, especially the willing ones on the other end of the spectrum. You know of those deals with the devil, where it might look awesome at first but then you realize that something important is missing.

so in a way, Slaanesh seems to be the most evil of the Gods, because it does its best to pee in your flakes whereas in the case of the other Gods the bad things happening to you are byproducts fo their ways. Tzeentch only uses you, Khorne gets you killed and Papa Nurgle ... well, he actually likes you but I haveno idea if his affection is what anyone would want.

So yeah, look at Tantalus' story and how he was punished in the Tartarus. This is what Slaanesh does to you!

Aaah, nobody underrrstand my crrreative genious!

I shall rretirre in my evil basement and perrrforrm this Art Interdit of mine

its ok, I liked the idea for the dread *runs off to buy Penitent Engine and dreadnought*

jmurph wrote:Seems like a juvenile attempt. Slaanesh is all about sensation. Sound, touch, taste, you name it. The thrill of the experience. You are focusing far too much on sexual violation. Slaanesh marines are more like burned out dope fiends. There is nothing beautiful or shocking left, just a jagged spitual hole that they are desperately trying to fill. Tentacle rape and other bizarre fetishes are just a gateway (and completely inappropriate for most game stores) just as narcotics, music, artistry or any other source of sensation is. And the source of sensation is the brain.

This.


seriously, Slaanesh is about FAR more than sex.

Making an army thats focused so much on sex will upset alot of people. Trust me. with the amount of kids who play warhammer, this will probably get a bad reaction from most people.

Focusing on sex will just make you seem like a mindless teenager. Even though its not "sexy", its still Sex.

I personally recommend against this course of action, but if you must, i recommend you dont take it to a store and game with it there. Keep it for display or private games.

In the past I often considered doing a more 'do not want!' Slaanesh themed army, not as graphic as you are suggesting Mikal, but it would have involved sexual references.
I hadn't done it as I was never certain if it would look any good, or offend too many people. I had pondered it many times until last year.

A small modelling studio, linked to a Daemon tentacle thing with three naked pregenant females it had just finished and put up for sale.
After seeing that fig, although I could appreciate the modelling ability, it convinced me it would be way to over the top for the tabletop.

So I've backed off any such plans, and instead I am considering other ideas. Using Sanguinary Guard as the base for Slaanesh Raptors is the first thing that has come to mind.

Obsidian Raven wrote:

jmurph wrote:Seems like a juvenile attempt. Slaanesh is all about sensation. Sound, touch, taste, you name it. The thrill of the experience. You are focusing far too much on sexual violation. Slaanesh marines are more like burned out dope fiends. There is nothing beautiful or shocking left, just a jagged spitual hole that they are desperately trying to fill. Tentacle rape and other bizarre fetishes are just a gateway (and completely inappropriate for most game stores) just as narcotics, music, artistry or any other source of sensation is. And the source of sensation is the brain.

This.


seriously, Slaanesh is about FAR more than sex.

Making an army thats focused so much on sex will upset alot of people. Trust me. with the amount of kids who play warhammer, this will probably get a bad reaction from most people.

Focusing on sex will just make you seem like a mindless teenager. Even though its not "sexy", its still Sex.

I personally recommend against this course of action, but if you must, i recommend you dont take it to a store and game with it there. Keep it for display or private games.

And you are like the fifth person to copy/paste the exact same comment, which was constructive at the beginning, but doesn't really bring anything right now. So i'll repeat the same answer one more time.

I know that Slaanesh is more than sex, I know that it's about every sense/pleasure/passion in life brought to a paroxysm, to the point where it's not even enjoyable anymore, and I know that the point of Slaanesh's servants is to have experienced so much all they can feel seem shallow.

But what I find really sad, is that you don't feel that at all in their models or armies. Seriously, each time I see a CSM model, they just look like vaguely mutating heavy-metal loving Space marines. Nobody's tired of thinking "hey, these guys look cool/fun" when seeing CSM? Nobody want, once, to think "Oh... Ok, they are the bad guys"? Well, I do.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:In the past I often considered doing a more 'do not want!' Slaanesh themed army, not as graphic as you are suggesting Mikal, but it would have involved sexual references.
I hadn't done it as I was never certain if it would look any good, or offend too many people. I had pondered it many times until last year.

A small modelling studio, linked to a Daemon tentacle thing with three naked pregenant females it had just finished and put up for sale.
After seeing that fig, although I could appreciate the modelling ability, it convinced me it would be way to over the top for the tabletop.

So I've backed off any such plans, and instead I am considering other ideas. Using Sanguinary Guard as the base for Slaanesh Raptors is the first thing that has come to mind.

Thing is, I'm usually playing the good guys (like SM, IG, thinking about Tau, and who knows, Eldar might come some day :p), so I'm not interested in playing a full CSM army, i'm just interested in the modeling possibilities ^^

Ah fair enough, but if we are talking about modelling possibilities.

I'd say if you went a step further and started talking about display pieces, in my mind it would make more sense. Allows for more character as well, as you don't have to try and make them work on a single figure base.

With display pieces I'd take something like the seven deadly sins and show a different Slaanesh follower gone totally overboard to the excess for each one. Could be single minatures, all the way to a full diorama.

That is something that would interest me much more.