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Why, why does everyone hate jervis jhonson. There was this thread about you hacking into the gw mainframe and what you would do, and 1 quarter of the people said fire jervis jhonson. Why?



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I have also pointed aour about his name sounding like certain things, but got a warning drom someone, so if thats the reason I know it.

Not a Dark Angels player then?




Seriously though, I think his 'Jervis Knows Best' column in White Dwarf does him no favours, although to be fair thats really meant for the kiddies who they write WD for.

Other than that, Yeah, Dark Angels. Thats where my money lies.

What did he do to dark angels?

I believe the term is Jervisfied

Moving topic to Dakka Discussions.

I think eh developed a reputation as an advocate for simplifying things, and not in a good way.

Balance wrote:I think he developed a reputation as an advocate for simplifying things, and not in a good way.

Which really isn't true, because he's not in a position to lay down any real 'law' in the design studio.

Alessio Cavatore and Gav Thorpe(the other two 'senior' design staff at the time) were both all for the simplification that we saw in Dark Angels and Chaos. Yet, Cavatore is hailed as some kind of design hero.

It's a shame really as I still rate 2nd Edition Blood Bowl as one of the best things GW have ever done, and it was a major reason I got into the hobby.

It really a list of things Malice, he's become a 'public' voice for the company and why its the Awesome! so he was always going to pick up stick.

Add to that an uninspired Codex Dark Angels, although in all fairness to him it was a direction they where trying at the time, CSM got caught by the same bat. Sadly.

He's just slowly become 'the figure we love to hate' in GW for many folks.

As others have said; apparently he was the head-honcho behind the mass-simplificiation of the Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines Codex.

His article in White Dwarf is also found to be dull at the best of times.
He seems to disagree with most competitive play.

I'm sure there's more too. Personally, I'm most certainly not a fan of the guy, but I don't hate him...

Well, look at that name- Alessio Cavatore. It rolls off the tongue like hope falling off of a rainbow. Jervis Johnson sounds like a door to door salesman at best.

He shot JR damn his cursed soul!

Yet if you look at some of the stuff Jervis has been involved in over the years there are some absolute classics!
roolz wise jervis is ok i don't see a monster problem with his stuff, i do see a general problem with the direction alot of the roolz went with GW and i generally see a problem anywhere Gav Thorpe's mutant tentacles for fingers are allowed to leave their foul bile, the man needs shooting, i mean seriously....just....Seriously!

Agree'd on the white dwarf article stuff, but i generally put that down to the fact that since gw became a business and not a hobby they stopped the design staff eating the wild mushrooms that grow locally hence the lack of crazy idea's coming out of GW nowdays.

Just wait till HBMC comes on. He will give you a full rundown.

Mostly its the direction of oversimplification of the two codexes Dark Angels and CSM. It was a design philosophy they want to try out but it didnt work out so well.

I hate Gav and Alessio even more than Jervis.

I met Jervis, I liked the guy! He signed my 40k book with a smile!

I think the hobby has a lot to thank him for! He's been at it a long while!

Surely some of it is just because there are few or no big name designers left in the "studio" to be hated.

I don't follow all these guys but isn't Jervis pretty much the only one left?

Kanluwen wrote: Yet, Cavatore is hailed as some kind of design hero.

Not by me. I am glad he isn't in 40k anymore. His abomination army books and codices baffle me. Also, his decisions in older FAQs, such as the Empire for Fantasy, really show me he doesn't care.

@Kilkrazy
There's Jervis, Andy Hoare, Phil Kelly, Graham Davey, Jeremy Vetock, and Gav Thorpe still around for the games development 'studio'.

The problem is that of those, only Jervis, Andy Hoare, and Phil Kelly really talk publicly about when/why they design something.
And that some--like Graham Davey or Jeremy Vetock--were just never really "known" by the public.

Jervis is a nice enough guy in person. He's been around forever, and he's seen as the official spokesman for the company. Coupled with a lot of unpopular changes in the way GW does things, this has resulted in JJ being perceived as an apologist at best, and at worst, a time-serving shill, willing to prostitute himself and mouth any ridiculous company line while grimly trying to hang on until retirement.

Kanluwen wrote:

Balance wrote:I think he developed a reputation as an advocate for simplifying things, and not in a good way.

Which really isn't true, because he's not in a position to lay down any real 'law' in the design studio.

Alessio Cavatore and Gav Thorpe(the other two 'senior' design staff at the time) were both all for the simplification that we saw in Dark Angels and Chaos. Yet, Cavatore is hailed as some kind of design hero.

Yeah, Alessio even stated in a recent interview that he wanted to go even further with some of the simplifications to those books, and somehow he never gets the blame.

Because, clearly, he's at the center of some anti-GW conspiracy and was removed from the company for that reason.

Or something equally stupid.

I think hate is a strong word. "Tired of" would be more appropriate in my eyes. I've heard he's a nice enough guy when you meet him in person, but his droning on about nothing in Standard Bearer doesn't exactly sell his personality.

He did ruin Dark Angels and that's the angriest I've ever been with GW (well, the anger kicked in 10 months later when Codex Space Marines came out).

He's the only person at GW who ever did public playtesting (Epic Armageddon!) so he must be some kind of monster.

Kanluwen wrote:

Balance wrote:I think he developed a reputation as an advocate for simplifying things, and not in a good way.

Which really isn't true, because he's not in a position to lay down any real 'law' in the design studio.

Alessio Cavatore and Gav Thorpe(the other two 'senior' design staff at the time) were both all for the simplification that we saw in Dark Angels and Chaos. Yet, Cavatore is hailed as some kind of design hero.

I agree, he just took the hit. Life isn't fair, sadly.

I think the 'simplification wave' may honestly be an attempt to clean house within constraints. Some of the GW studio people may honestly agree with the overall sentiment on Dakka and elsewhere that GW's rules writing is poor. However, they need to stay within constraints set by their bosses (I.E. they presumably couldn't have made the newest edition a 'clean break' and obsoleted all stat lines.) and can't make things too strange. Simple army lsits are easier to get balance, although they are a bit bland.

I like Jervis, but then, I like a "cleaner" game system.

When GW introduce a new concept for how to write a codex, and decide it has been a failure, what is the process they use for designing the new style book, and judging it to be a failure? I assume they start off thinking they have got a really good idea this time.

Perhaps I am a bit naive, but if you have a good method for identifying failures of design, wouldn't it be better project planning to put that in as early as possible in the design process, rather than after publication?

i dont hate jervis,i like to chill and read the standard bearer each month and i find his style of its more than just winning refreshing.i also like his philosophical musings but i understand he has become one of the only faces of gw and cant please everyone.

Two thoughts:
1. It's hard to balance the JJ who designed BB and Black Powder with the JJ who did DA and writes standard bearer.

2. JJ is no Andy Chambers. If you started in the GW when Chambers (or Rick Priestly) was the design head then JJ seems relatively bland. JJ also took over when the rules started to be streamlined. Take them together & it's easy to assume JJ is behind the bland-ification of GW.

Because Gav Thorpe is gone and we have to hate somebody.

Uh, Gav Thorpe isn't gone.

Yes, he is.

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