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An idea i had that most feral world players would like.
Ps. any idea on the point value would be apreciated.

Hunting dogs........points:?
Evan though dogs aren’t used by the imperial guard there is some feral worlds that hold an ancient tradition of going to war with their canine companions. These traditions have proved to the imperial guard the valuable asset that the dogs bring to the theatre of war. Dogs are natural hunters and make perfect weapons in dense jungles and city fights. It is also becoming a common sight to see dogs that have had surgery under the hands Tec priest of mars so they can function independently under harshness of war.
Hunting dogs are a Troop choice for imperial guard
Unit comp: 9 hunting dogs, 1 cydog

Hunting dog WS 4 BS 0 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 4 A 1 LD 8 SV -/-
Cydog WS 5 BS 0 S 4 T 3 W 2 I 5 A 2 LD 9 SV -/-
Unit type: beast
Wargear: cc weapons (teeth)
Options:
Any dog may take:
Flak armour.........5 points each
Any cydog may take:
Caprace armour.......10 points
Bionic jaw (rendering cc weapon).........10 points
Special rules:
Move trough cover, leaderless, scouts, furious charge
Leaderless: if the cydog is killed than the dogs gain the rage rule.

So tell me what you think.

This idea has exsisted in other places. I believe back in 2nd ed. you could take 'pets' (cyber eagles, etc.)

Nice to see how often this idea pops up on forums...maybe GW will bring them back.

I really like the idea of upgrading the dogs...nice touch.

Actually I really like this.. But I think I would like it more if it was an upgrade for a unit of guardsmen instead of a unit all on its own.

Up to 1 dog per guardsmen.. Same up grads you gave em.. Could add some more CC punch to a squad.

Some sort of night fighting rule would be interesting..

Yeah, this is tastefully done.

Now that I think about it, though, if you wanted to use this unit (more or less) while still working within the codex, this would be a EXCELLENT idea for penal legionnaires.

Of course, you'd have to explain why your dogs have "gunslingers" every once in awhile, but otherwise...

Ailaros wrote:Yeah, this is tastefully done.

Now that I think about it, though, if you wanted to use this unit (more or less) while still working within the codex, this would be a EXCELLENT idea for penal legionnaires.

Of course, you'd have to explain why your dogs have "gunslingers" every once in awhile, but otherwise...

Well the dogs have bees in their mouths which shoot out when they bark...

Ws 5 cydog? I love the concept but really hate that, I'd tone it back down to Ws 4. The S4 and extra attacks are good enough.

But otherwise, would LOVE to see this unit

,,,And maybe make them an extra squad for the platoon, not a seperate troops choice. Like a "K-9 Handlers" Special Weapons squad or something...


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My catachans would definatly use a squad like this.



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And as far as points goes, 6-8 pts. each sounds about right.

I think officers should be able to take 1-3 Dugs. Maybe even two attacks each. Also The custodian for penal legionairres should have the option for 1-3 dugs.

I posted rules for hunting dogs in a thread somewhere...can't find them now...

I'd say they'd run about 6-7pts maybe, and about 13-15 for the cydog.

Make a specific squad using a handler like for the penal legion and psykers or like the grot handlers or say an officer could take one or two like the officer in the fourth ultramarines novel they might act like norg deddog but for close combat

I was thinking about adding a handler upgrade

I'll try to post what I remember from my version:
points- 50pts per unit
dogs
WS4 BS- S4 T2 I4 A2 W1 Sv- Ld7
move through cover, furious charge, counter-attack.
release the hounds- if a squad is outnumbered 3 to 1 or more, the dogs get +1A per dog that is outnumbering them.
12" movement
hard to hit- 5+ cover save all the time, +1 cover save modifier when in actual cover (stealth).

handler
WS3 BS3 S3 T3 I3 A2 W1 Sv5+ Ld7
lasgun/laspistol, dogcatcher.
dogcatcher- functioning like a smaller variant of the mancatcher, dogcatchers may be used instead of the normal lasgun/laspistol and CCW during that turn, functiooning as a power weapon.
minder- if the handler gets killed, the dogs gain the rage USR.

the handler may take a horse (turns into a rough rider, dogcatcher counts-as a lance)....+15pts (becomes T4 with +1W and +1A)
may take up to 10 additional dogs....7pts per model
unit composition- 1 handler and 5 dogs.
something like that.

this is cool, i have five dogs coming my way in some days.... i wanted to ask that question anyways...

thanks

vik

mr-squigi wrote:Ps. any idea on the point value would be apreciated.

Hunting dogs...points:7
Evan though dogs aren’t used by the imperial guard there is some feral worlds that hold an ancient tradition of going to war with their canine companions. These traditions have proved to the imperial guard the valuable asset that the dogs bring to the theatre of war. Dogs are natural hunters and make perfect weapons in dense jungles and city fights. It is also becoming a common sight to see dogs that have had surgery under the hands Tec priest of mars so they can function independently under harshness of war.
Hunting dogs are a Troop choice for imperial guard
Unit comp: 9 hunting dogs, 1 cydog

Hunting dog WS 4 BS 0 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 4 A 1 LD 8 SV -/-
Cydog WS 5 BS 0 S 4 T 3 W 2 I 5 A 2 LD 9 SV -/-
Unit type: beast
Wargear: cc weapons (teeth)
Options:
Any dog may take:
Flak armour.........5 points each
Any cydog may take:
Caprace armour.......10 points
Bionic jaw (rending cc weapon).........10 points
Special rules:
Move trough cover, leaderless, scouts, furious charge
Leaderless: if the cydog is killed than the dogs gain the rage rule.

So tell me what you think.

If the worlds are feral, why do they have robotic cyborg dogs?
I'd go for a handler, like mine.

Hunting dogs? Real IG armies just send more men

remember rule of cool here^^

I once had an objective...an imperial guard dog, cahined to a past near some kind of underground-leeading hatch, made out of one of my old farmer maggot's dogs from LOTR. Shame I lost it...aw...


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Hey! Maybe we should do an ork equivalent- Squig herds!

thats what i thought too... squigs would be the ideal analogy here...

i think strength 4 AND furious charge is a bit much Shrike, One or the other. I dont actually like the concept of units i think they would work better as upgrades to command squads or an extra bit of melee punch to penal legionairres.

shrike wrote:I'll try to post what I remember from my version:
points- 50pts per unit
dogs
WS4 BS- S4 T2 I4 A2 W1 Sv- Ld7
move through cover, furious charge, counter-attack.
release the hounds- if a squad is outnumbered 3 to 1 or more, the dogs get +1A per dog that is outnumbering them.
12" movement
hard to hit- 5+ cover save all the time, +1 cover save modifier when in actual cover (stealth).

handler
WS3 BS3 S3 T3 I3 A2 W1 Sv5+ Ld7
lasgun/laspistol, dogcatcher.
dogcatcher- functioning like a smaller variant of the mancatcher, dogcatchers may be used instead of the normal lasgun/laspistol and CCW during that turn, functiooning as a power weapon.
minder- if the handler gets killed, the dogs gain the rage USR.


the handler may take a horse (turns into a rough rider, dogcatcher counts-as a lance)....+15pts (becomes T4 with +1W and +1A)
may take up to 10 additional dogs....7pts per model
unit composition- 1 handler and 5 dogs.
something like that.

Sounds good, except: this makes them slighty beeter than Fenrisian wolves, and theres no way that they would be. Also, in regards to how feral worlders would get cyborg dogs; same way they get lasguns, grenades, flak armour, heavy weapons, tanks, etc.

shrike wrote: If the worlds are feral, why do they have robotic cyborg dogs? I'd go for a handler, like mine.

Because the dogs have had robotic improvments, like ogryns and boneheads.
But i agree the dogs should have a handler, how about.
The unit may exchange the cydog for a handler.....15 points
WS3 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD8 SV5+/-
Type: calvery
Wargear: flak armour, lasgun, cc weapon, frag granades
Options:
The handler may take
Caprace armour...........10 points
Krak grenades........10 points
Hunting lance........5 points
the handler may exchange his lasgun for
shotgun...........free
hunting rifle......10 points
Special rules: move trough cover, furios charge, skilled rider, scout, night vison/acute senses*
*If all the dogs are killed than the handler loses this rule
Hunting rifle: range30 S3 AP5 type assault1

mr-squigi wrote:Hunting rifle: range30 S3 AP5 type assault1

a 30" range assault 1 lasgun? nah. try a shotgun, classic fox-hunting blunderbuss-style. That's what I'm gonna do...
except mine's lead by my company commander...

Good stuff. I would add in a Handler though.

Forgot about the shoty
I'll add it in

A squad/pack of dogs, with a guardsmen on a horse in their midst, would look fething GREAT!

You know, I always see these great ideas for armys on forums like Dakka, and theres clearly a big support for its inclusion in the next edition of the codex; but then its like GW just ignores all the feed back. And you know that GWs design team reads these sites!

WTF?

Yeah it would look great. who knows, maybe they'll ad them in the future.

Any final ideas for the point values
Im thinking
Dogs: 8 points each
Cydog: 10 points

The points look good to me.


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but then, what do i know?

Cortez667 wrote: but then, what do i know?

Sorry if i offended you. I just wrote it wrong.
Thanks for your opinion on the point values .

Cortez667 wrote:You know, I always see these great ideas for armys on forums like Dakka, and theres clearly a big support for its inclusion in the next edition of the codex; but then its like GW just ignores all the feed back. And you know that GWs design team reads these sites!

WTF?

WTF indeed.


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Cortez667 wrote:You know, I always see these great ideas for armys on forums like Dakka, and theres clearly a big support for its inclusion in the next edition of the codex; but then its like GW just ignores all the feed back. And you know that GWs design team reads these sites!

WTF?

WTF indeed.