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Hey I saw an "anonymous" poster put up a reply to an article on Capture and Control calling out DashofPepper, Shep, and Hulksmash for what he claims are erroneous views on the new GK codex. I searched through Dakka a bit and couldn't find anything really by any of these guys on the GK that fall into line with what the "anonymous" poster was saying they thought about Dakka Dreads and GK. Anyone care to weigh in with a link to a post etc. about this? It seemed pretty baseless and rude to me. Here is a link to the article in question.

http://captureandcontrol.blogspot.com/2011/03/dread-knights-can-ride-in-storm-ravens.html

Since the article has to do with tactics I put it in this section. Feel free to move it if necessary.

Well, that was a troll comment by an anonymous poster who has no clue what he's talking about. I've never announced any feelings about the GK codex, because I don't know enough about it.

The article appears to deal more with loopholes than actual tactics, if I may add a swift note.

Otherwise, dismiss this anon as another bandwagoner or fanboy whom shall immedeatly stop playing GK after realizing their obvious "Outnumbered Able to be ID'd models" flaw is too great to handle.

Quoting the relevant part here because it's a silly article and I see no purpose in directing more traffic toward it...

Anonymous said...
Continue to fight the good fight Dis! Because if it can embark and is not a MC then IC can join them in the Stormraven...

"Besides... isn't this much ado about nothing? I mean, I thought Rifleman dreads were the only good thing in this book! "

No, only DashofPepper, Shep, and Hulksmash on Dakka think this. They have their heads in the sand and are trying desperately to spread the "GK don't change the Meta" line that it is embarrassing. I have never seen 3 guys dedicated to convincing the world that a meta-breaking codex isn't actually meta-breaking and that the only good thing in the codex is a slightly better version of something good from the SW dex. PATHETIC.

March 21, 2011 1:12

This is clearly an anonymous troll who is taking comments out of context and blowing them way out of proportion.

Edit: Also a person with some lack of rules-fu, as they apparently think that being a Monstrous Creature is the reason an IC can't join an Dreadknight.

@Bryan: While I appreciate the link to our site, this wasn't totally necessary. He is just some guy who always trolls anonymously on our site flaming people left and right so no need to take his comments seriously enough to repost this here.

@Dash: That guy trolls my articles all the time but normally reserves his ire for me. I have been ignoring him for over a year now, my apologies for him trolling you on a site you have nothing to do with.

@Chilipowderkeg: You're right, it wasn't an article about tactics just a preface to a poll about a RAW discrepancy. Maybe this belongs in YMDC instead?

@Mannahim: I am sorry you think the article was silly. It is simply a preface to the poll on the site. I don't actually think the debate about the ruling on the DK becoming JI and losing MC status is silly, there are serious RAW implications there that need to be addressed imo. You're definitely correct about his needing to be more up on the rules about IC joining units etc.

I was just trying to make members of the Dakka community who were under attack on your website aware of it and trying to get some clarification on the issue. I didn't mean to cause you any offense OW.

@Dash if you haven't commented on GK then I wonder if Hulksmash or Shep have either. Maybe this guy is just a nutjob.

Looks like somebody is making stuff up about our more famous (infamous?) posters in order to attract attention.

I haven't read anything about GKs from Hulksmash or Dash but I can say that I have read a couple good and informative battle reports from Shep. I don't think anything I've read in either of those threads would be construed as controversial. If anything they have helped give me a better understanding of how GKs work in a real game.

Honestly I've learned a lot from reading posts from all three of these guys and consider them to offer great advice and insight into the game.

OverwatchCNC wrote:You're right, it wasn't an article about tactics just a preface to a poll about a RAW discrepancy. Maybe this belongs in YMDC instead?

Nah, being that the material codex isn't out yet, I can see it belonging in this thread as a figurehead to discussing how to use this option before one can flaunt the new and shiny book infront of others.

When it actually comes out and leads to more people facing it in confusion, then will it be apropriate to post in YMDC.

Albeit, since this thread really is about the Dakkanauts mentioned in the title rather than the material of the article itself I do beleive this needs to be moved to the 40k or Dakka Disscusion subforum.

augustus5 wrote:

Honestly I've learned a lot from reading posts from all three of these guys and consider them to offer great advice and insight into the game.

I have to agree with this. All three of them post very informative advice. I haven't played Dash or Shep but having played Hulksmash a few times, when he was still in LA, I have to say he is a great player who knows quite a bit about 40k. I want reiterate that the anonymous poster and his libel wrought comments are not endorsed by myself Disdainful or any CnC contributors. They are just comments from our resident anonymous troll.

Awesome! People think I'm important enough to slander!!!!!! I Win the Internetz!!!

But seriously I find it funny since the few things I've noted about GK's generally focus on all foot lists....something I think can shift the meta...Crazy crossed wires?

Thanks OverwatchCNC for the nice words. Did I play against your Sallies? If so then I'm pretty sure I remember you in real life

Hulksmash wrote:Awesome! People think I'm important enough to slander!!!!!! I Win the Internetz!!!

But seriously I find it funny since the few things I've noted about GK's generally focus on all foot lists....something I think can shift the meta...Crazy crossed wires?

Thanks OverwatchCNC for the nice words. Did I play against your Sallies? If so then I'm pretty sure I remember you in real life

I really hope that the meta shifts more towards foot lists (recent old SM chapter hotfixes, GK Termie troop slots, ect.) as we need more slogging lists. Too many darned mechs for my taste.

Mannahnin wrote:This is clearly an anonymous troll who is taking comments out of context and blowing them way out of proportion.

Edit: Also a person with some lack of rules-fu, as they apparently think that being a Monstrous Creature is the reason an IC can't join an Dreadknight.

Now you speak like you are no different from him

WarOne wrote:

I really hope that the meta shifts more towards foot lists (recent old SM chapter hotfixes, GK Termie troop slots, ect.) as we need more slogging lists. Too many darned mechs for my taste.

I played a guy 3 days go against his new GKs - footlists. He conceded on turn 4 to me.
I still think the GK codex would be better mechanized than foot.

WarOne wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:Awesome! People think I'm important enough to slander!!!!!! I Win the Internetz!!!

But seriously I find it funny since the few things I've noted about GK's generally focus on all foot lists....something I think can shift the meta...Crazy crossed wires?

Thanks OverwatchCNC for the nice words. Did I play against your Sallies? If so then I'm pretty sure I remember you in real life

I really hope that the meta shifts more towards foot lists (recent old SM chapter hotfixes, GK Termie troop slots, ect.) as we need more slogging lists. Too many darned mechs for my taste.

Dangit if "the meta" shifts back to foot lists, I'm going to have to go mech; I run Foot lists currently just to fight the Meta.

Hulksmash wrote:Awesome! People think I'm important enough to slander!

I think it's technically libel.

We all know you use loaded die anyway Hulksmash And some of you die were mixed up with Dash's so that's why he's so 'good' too But still scared of you as he has less loaded die~!

But yeah "desperately to spread the 'GK don't change the Meta' line "

Hulksmash wrote:
But seriously I find it funny since the few things I've noted about GK's generally focus on all foot lists....something I think can shift the meta...Crazy crossed wires?

This I'm sure I've seen a lot of Dakkanaughts hoping or saying the codex will gak the balance of power.

I'm tempted to insert META comments here, but my METAMETER is currently depleted. :(

Need to refill the META tank.

And yes, my META skills are still so awesome that they've gotten so far ahead of everyone elses' META skills enough to lap them. Necrons FTW!

Hulksmash wrote:Awesome! People think I'm important enough to slander!!!!!! I Win the Internetz!!!

But seriously I find it funny since the few things I've noted about GK's generally focus on all foot lists....something I think can shift the meta...Crazy crossed wires?

Thanks OverwatchCNC for the nice words. Did I play against your Sallies? If so then I'm pretty sure I remember you in real life

Ya your nids faced off against my sallies in a few tournaments a few years back!

Ah yes!!! I thought so. When you had a bike command squad if I remember right. You won the tourney cause only 1/4 of my army was painted

Hulksmash wrote:Ah yes!!! I thought so. When you had a bike command squad if I remember right. You won the tourney cause only 1/4 of my army was painted

HA! That's right I forgot about that, but it was a regular Bike Squad and a Command Squad in Razorback . That was when I was playing with all the Salamanders I had built and painted right after the new codex came out.

Yeah, I remember the bike squad failing something like 4/5 saves from a Barbed Strangler and going down on a single shot but then the captain slowly ate my Warriors Good times!

Wow, I never meant to stir up such a hornets nest. I thought the comment sounded fishy and wanted a secodn opinion. I am glad both Dash and Hulk found the post and thread and had time to weigh in. I wonder if Shep knows this is happening or if he is just choosng to ignore it.

For me the GK codex will be way OP but i can't believe that someone would be so outspoken about others beleifs about how "bad" they are. When he himself seems to be a complete idiot.

zxwarrior wrote:For me the GK codex will be way OP but i can't believe that someone would be so outspoken about others beleifs about how "bad" they are. When he himself seems to be a complete idiot.

It's been my experience, since starting Capture and Control, that the amount of well vocalized idiocy on the internet is astounding

I am not so sure about the GK being overpowered. When it comes down to it they are still just Space Marines and die the same way. That's the strategy I am going to start off with against them anyway and build from there.

I often wonder if 5th edition has brought in an influx of less then useful people as (this might just be my experience) I don't recall as many...angry...people in 3rd and 4th edition. Seems like there are always a ton of people really worked up over this hobby. Makes me giggle how much people freak out and cry overpowered with every new codex that comes out. I hope in 6th edition everything gets a giant nerf then people can scream under-powered when a new codex comes out

I have seen battle reports Dash put up, if they are to be believed the only way Dash could posibly be using loaded dice was if he is using loaded leadership dice for everything. As to trollboy, well some people are just loud and dumb.

NubKillerz wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:This is clearly an anonymous troll who is taking comments out of context and blowing them way out of proportion.

Edit: Also a person with some lack of rules-fu, as they apparently think that being a Monstrous Creature is the reason an IC can't join an Dreadknight.

Now you speak like you are no different from him

Sockpuppeting to evade the rules is not permitted on Dakka, Striderx. Goodbye.

As far as I know the warhammer online community has always been pretty angry. Way back in the day rec.games.miniatures.warhammer was a notorious flame pit and even in late 3rd when I started paying attention to the hobby there was an impressive amount of screaming about various things. Back then the topics of choice were screening, the trial assault rules, and omg Necrons are unbeatable. I have been experiencing growing frustration at the caliber of online discussion leading to me cyclically burning out on forums but I've mainly attributed that to me getting older.

There's always been pretty much the same amount of anger and silliness. You just learn to filter out the crap.

I think there has been a general increase in the total amount of illiteracy and ignorance on the internet overall since the 90s, just because a higher percentage of the general populace is online now, including more kids and uneducated ignoramuses.

Mannahnin wrote:I think there has been a general increase in the total amount of illiteracy and ignorance on the internet overall since the 90s, just because a higher percentage of the general populace is online now, including more kids and uneducated ignoramuses.

I love the term that was coined for that: Eternal September.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

The term was first used by Dave Fischer in a January 26, 1994, post to alt.folklore.computers: wrote:
It's moot now. September 1993 will go down in net.history as the September that never ended.