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You know what I mean, how you actually had to know things about things in order to get half the jokes, but no child could know those things? Cartoons like Dexter's Lab, Pinky and the Brain, Animaniacs, Johnny Bravo, and all them? Movie References, Pop Culture referances, a few parodies, and Fun Fun Silly Willy characters all rolled into one show that both parents and children can watch for different reasons?

I just wanted to pass on that, if you can swallow your pride a little, My Little Pony Friendship is Magic is that sort of cartoon. I didn't catch half the references, but the ones I did catch were hilarious. In one episode, one of the Ponies gets her ability to talk taken away, so she sounds LKKKTH DHSSS!, and you can clearly hear her say at one point "That stupid Bitch!", which, by the time that comes in the series, it's totally unexpected and you just burst into laughter when it happens. In one episode, there are three, movie references, one of them being Indiana Jones, in 10 seconds. Three references, 10 seconds.

I say this for two reasons;

1) I know I'm not the only one who misses that style of cartoon over "HERPY DERPY" Spongebob Squarepants and the like.

2) It's new, having it's first season in 2010, and Season 2 coming up this year.

Trust me on this, if you want a hilarious, oldschool cartoon, and don't mind it being slightly girly, watch the first three MLP episodes on Youtube, and if you don't laugh, I'm sorry. You do, however, have to get passed the fact that everyone has to be friends, but that's to be expected in todays cartoon shows.....

I'll post some videos of the type of show it is later.

Ahtman wrote:

Someone else posted something like this?

That should speak for it's quality in and of itself, honestly.

Slarg232 wrote:Someone else posted something like this?

You aren't the first to bring 4chan to dakka.

Slarg232 wrote:That should speak for it's quality in and of itself, honestly.

Bringing it from 4chan says more, honestly.

Bringing what from 4Chan?

I honestly think it's an awesome show.....

Edit: I don't even go to 4chan......

See? Just one example of the Funny:

Remember how you're not five any more so new cartoons don't seem as great as the ones in your childhood?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Remember how you're not five any more so new cartoons don't seem as great as the ones in your childhood?

Actually, I remember owning and watching Pinky and the Brain on DVD when I was 17 and I enjoyed it far more now than I did then.

So where does that leave your arguement?

That I'm weird? Your on a freaking Toy Soldier forum, your not any more normal than I am.....

Edit: Another Counter Point; Calvin and Hobbes.

I used to love Calvin and Hobbes for the fact that it was a kid with a tiger running around causing mischeif. When I grew older I read them all over again, and finally understood the political/satirical/finer points of the comic, and also enjoyed it far more than I did when I was six.

Slarg232 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Remember how you're not five any more so new cartoons don't seem as great as the ones in your childhood?

Actually, I remember owning and watching Pinky and the Brain on DVD when I was 17 and I enjoyed it far more now than I did then.

So where does that leave your arguement?

That I'm weird? Your on a freaking Toy Soldier forum, your not any more normal than I am.....

Edit: Another Counter Point; Calvin and Hobbes.

I used to love Calvin and Hobbes for the fact that it was a kid with a tiger running around causing mischeif. When I grew older I read them all over again, and finally understood the political/satirical/finer points of the comic, and also enjoyed it far more than I did when I was six.

My argument is pretty much that cartoons used to be gak just like they are now. You only remember the ones you liked as a kid. Now that you're an adult you have a harder time forming those same connections since you can appreciate the material for the gak that it is. There are plenty of great cartoons out these days. Avatar was excellent, there are a good number of anime series per decade that manage to float above the filth. Hell, even gendy tartakovsky manages to make something artful once in a while these days when he's not getting cancelled.

ShumaGorath wrote:
My argument is pretty much that cartoons used to be gak just like they are now. You only remember the ones you liked as a kid. Now that you're an adult you have a harder time forming those same connections since you can appreciate the material for the gak that it is. There are plenty of great cartoons out these days. Avatar was excellent, there are a good number of anime series per decade that manage to float above the filth. Hell, even gendy tartakovsky manages to make something artful once in a while these days when he's not getting cancelled.

I form just as easy connections to the good cartoons of today (Avatar and Anime don't count, those are Anime, not Cartoons in the sense of what I am talking, you know?). It's just that before, you had to at least have a basic grasp of what was going on in the world when watching cartoons, whereas now a days stuff like Spongebob is prevelant where it's "HEY GUYS! WE HAVE A MILE LONG SPANKING TUNNEL SET UP!".... Yes, alot of old cartoons were bad, but a fair few of them were really good, too.

What I am saying is, is that My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic is the same type of cartoon as most of us grew up on; and I thought it would be a good thing to share. I remember a while ago that people were agreeing with me that cartoons were something that really declined in quality (in our opinions), and since this was quite similar, people would enjoy watching it.

I don't know Shuma,the cartoons my kids watch seem much more gak then the ones I watched growing up.
Now of course the ones I watched as a kid are no where near as "cool" now that I'm an adult ...but comparatively ...most "modern" cartoons do seem a bit..meh.

ShumaGorath wrote:Remember how you're not five any more so new cartoons don't seem as great as the ones in your childhood?

I like that Magneto went to the gas station, demanded that the guy tell him how to get to the Baxter building, threw a magnetic tantrum, then left to go to the Baxter building even though the guy hadn't actually told him, just begged for his life a little. You don't get that kind of quality plotting any more.

I form just as easy connections to the good cartoons of today (Avatar and Anime don't count, those are Anime, not Cartoons in the sense of what I am talking, you know?).

Avatar was animated in korea (like samurai jack) and written, designed, storyboarded, and voiced in america. It was made for an american audience. It's a false differentiation that makes it easy to single out modern cartoons as "bad" as most of them have artstyles that have evolved in 40 years past american classic or gendy tartakovsky shapes.

I form just as easy connections to the good cartoons of today (Avatar and Anime don't count, those are Anime, not Cartoons in the sense of what I am talking, you know?). It's just that before, you had to at least have a basic grasp of what was going on in the world when watching cartoons, whereas now a days stuff like Spongebob is prevelant where it's "HEY GUYS! WE HAVE A MILE LONG SPANKING TUNNEL SET UP!"....

That stuff always existed. Non sequitor cartoon humor is as classic as loony tunes.

Yes, alot of old cartoons were bad, but a fair few of them were really good, too.

And cartoons can't be good these days? I don't understand why the hate was necessary.

What I am saying is, is that My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic is the same type of cartoon as most of us grew up on; and I thought it would be a good thing to share. I remember a while ago that people were agreeing with me that cartoons were something that really declined in quality (in our opinions), and since this was quite similar, people would enjoy watching it.

You kinda frontloaded the thread with a lot of hate towards every other cartoon show on television though.


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FITZZ wrote: I don't know Shuma,the cartoons my kids watch seem much more gak then the ones I watched growing up.
Now of course the ones I watched as a kid are no where near as "cool" now that I'm an adult ...but comparatively ...most "modern" cartoons do seem a bit..meh.

Please click any of the youtubes I'm putting up. Cartoons have always had low lows. I love cartoons. Still. I'm 24. I used to want to be an animator (I ended up a special effects guy). I still watch cartoons (though I haven't seen MLP) and I rewatch old ones. The quality hasn't really shifted strongly. There was a glut in the early 2000's where spongebobs incredibly popularity combined with changing FCC guidelines strangled the industry a bit. These days we're well out of that though and shows like justice league unlimited, Avatar, Wakfu (out of france), and probably MLP by the buzz it gets show that adult cartoon lovers are still making the shows for the love of the medium rather then love of merchandising.



Really. There have been some awful god damn cartoons.

Foster's Home for Imaginary friends was relatively recent and easily on par or better than anything I watched as a child.

Chongara wrote:Foster's Home for Imaginary friends was relatively recent and easily on par or better than anything I watched as a child.

Fosters and MLP are made by the same creative team.

Ahtman wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Someone else posted something like this?

You aren't the first to bring 4chan to dakka.

Slarg232 wrote:That should speak for it's quality in and of itself, honestly.

Bringing it from 4chan says more, honestly.

The fact that you admit to reading 4chan confirms alot of what I have assumed about you, Ahtman. This is a common enough thought that someone had to eventually make a thread about it. If you disagree, simply do not comment and leave the thread to those who wish to enter into meaningful discussion.

On Topic: I agree with almost everything Shuma says. Aside from Anime being Cartoons.

AvatarForm wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Someone else posted something like this?

You aren't the first to bring 4chan to dakka.

Slarg232 wrote:That should speak for it's quality in and of itself, honestly.

Bringing it from 4chan says more, honestly.

The fact that you admit to reading 4chan confirms alot of what I have assumed about you, Ahtman. This is a common enough thought that someone had to eventually make a thread about it. If you disagree, simply do not comment and leave the thread to those who wish to enter into meaningful discussion.

On Topic: I agree with almost everything Shuma says. Aside from Anime being Cartoons.

Whats the difference? Also, this is a warhams board. Everyone has read 4chan on it.

If you're on the internet you have been touched by 4chan in some fashion.

No big deal.

And having a Boba Fett avatar doesn't make you cool.

4chan does not mean /b/ and this isn't the first time I've seen a MLP thread. I could be remembering wrong and it was infecting another forum, though I thought I remember it being brought up here.

Also when the title said old cartoons I was thinking Tom and Jerry, Looney Tunes, Tex Avery, ect. Not semi-recent cartoons.

I remember Denver the Last Dinosaur. It had one of the best openings ever for a cartoon:




I do however mourn the premature end of Pirates of Dark Water and the good Sonic the Hedgehog. Good shows indeed.

So in conclusion:

Modern cartoons suck, apart from certain ones, but those don't count.

Old cartoons are amazing, apart from certain ones, but those don't count either.

There are actually a lot of pretty decent modern cartoons.

Phineas & Ferb, Adventure Time, Regular Show, just to name a few

The Real Ghostbusters
Dungeons & Dragons
Pirates of Dark Water
The Original Transformers
Ulysses 31
Reboot
The Mysterious Cities of Gold
Visionaries
Battle of the Planets
Galaxy High
The Racoons

Yep, better then.

Still, now I've grown up and enjoyed King of the Hill, Archer, Metalocalypse and Family Guy. Miss Beavis and Butthead though, actually I miss MTV actually playing music at all.

...Having been a child when the typical Saturday morning line up consisted of Super Friends,The Bugs Bunny & Road Runner show,Land of The Lost,Scooby Doo and a plethora of other Hanna Barbara/Sid & Marty Kroft/Filmation and Rankin Bass productions,it's interesting (and somewhat ammusing) to see what some people see as "old" cartoons...all a mater of perspective I suppose.

However,I'm inclined to agree with Shuma here (to a degree) in that there has been both "great" and "not so great" "cartoons" for decades...

Speaking of Genndy Tartakovsky; Samurai Jack, why won't you give me closure...

Samurai Jack was pretentious and stupid. It had as much depth as a soap opera.

The above He-man clip perfectly demonstrates my frustration with old cartoons. How often do you find yourself thinking "just use your damn weapon!!!"


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Goliath wrote:So in conclusion:

Modern cartoons suck, apart from certain ones, but those don't count.

Old cartoons are amazing, apart from certain ones, but those don't count either.

haha, love it.

I think that the reason that so many of the cartoons we adults grew up with, and the awesome characters we had (such as Race Bannon, and the original Optimus Prime, and Duke from GI Joe) are so beloved, and we see new cartoons as bad, is because of PC.

Really sit down and watch early cartoons, Steam Boat Willy, "original" Looney Toons, Tom and Jerry, all of them are actually quite "bad" by the standards of political correctness. Which is why I personally hate new cartoons.. i like my lack of PC in my life. If you are offended by a cartoon, feth off and die in a corner somewhere.

I miss Toonami :(

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Samurai Jack was pretentious and stupid. It had as much depth as a soap opera.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:I think that the reason that so many of the cartoons we adults grew up with, and the awesome characters we had (such as Race Bannon, and the original Optimus Prime, and Duke from GI Joe) are so beloved, and we see new cartoons as bad, is because of PC.

Really sit down and watch early cartoons, Steam Boat Willy, "original" Looney Toons, Tom and Jerry, all of them are actually quite "bad" by the standards of political correctness. Which is why I personally hate new cartoons.. i like my lack of PC in my life. If you are offended by a cartoon, feth off and die in a corner somewhere.

Depends if the Cartoon is clever or just doing it to try and be funny, I've seen some pretty over the top non PC carp, that just wasn't funny, no matter how much they tried.

A lot of Family Guy stuff for example fails for me, because its just not clever funny, its 'we said a bad word, or mentioned something offensive, you laugh now.' I think American Dad shows off his talents way more than Family Guy. Although saying that Family Guy can make me laugh, just not as much as Say Venture Brothers or even the Simpsons can.


Back to the OP, I remember a lot of shows being awesome when I was a kid, but because I have two young ones know, plenty of stuff has been really well done in recent years as well.

I prefered the 2004 He-man series over the original for example, was a little gutted when Storm Hawks got canned and was a big fan of the original Ben 10, and Alien Force, although it's gone a bit over the top in the new one, so don't really watch it anymore.

Some of my older faves from my Childhood still stand out though. Add Mask and Dino Riders to MGS list, and I'm pretty much there.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:I think that the reason that so many of the cartoons we adults grew up with, and the awesome characters we had (such as Race Bannon, and the original Optimus Prime, and Duke from GI Joe) are so beloved, and we see new cartoons as bad, is because of PC.

Really sit down and watch early cartoons, Steam Boat Willy, "original" Looney Toons, Tom and Jerry, all of them are actually quite "bad" by the standards of political correctness. Which is why I personally hate new cartoons.. i like my lack of PC in my life. If you are offended by a cartoon, feth off and die in a corner somewhere.

While I can agree that watching Race Bannon ( Or Space Ghost or The Herculoids) blasting the gak out of everything in sight was much more entertaining as a child than say...watching Mr.Rogers discuss what a "special little snow flake" everyone is..
I do have to say that,obviously,some of the older cartoons (Tom &Jerry is a great example) were not just "Not PC"...but were down right racist at times.
There's a line between satire and scoffing at "PC" "dogma" and depicting people in blatantly sterotypical images for no other purpose than ridicule.