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I'm more offended in the revision of the cartoons to remove all references to these things and pretending like it never happened then in the first place. You don't deal with race issues by acting like nothing never happened. Ignoring our history in film (remember most of these were shown in theaters) is not a very mature way of handling the situation. I understand they should be edited to show for kids on tv becuase a great deal of the cartoons still are quite entertaining, but you can't even get them on dvd/blu-ray. Makes it difficult to do any research when companies try to make it impossible to find the content. About the best way to watch any of these is on Laser Disc, as there are several sets that are complete but very expensive collectors items as well as the trouble of being on a defunct technology.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:I think that the reason that so many of the cartoons we adults grew up with, and the awesome characters we had (such as Race Bannon, and the original Optimus Prime, and Duke from GI Joe) are so beloved, and we see new cartoons as bad, is because of PC.

Really sit down and watch early cartoons, Steam Boat Willy, "original" Looney Toons, Tom and Jerry, all of them are actually quite "bad" by the standards of political correctness. Which is why I personally hate new cartoons.. i like my lack of PC in my life. If you are offended by a cartoon, feth off and die in a corner somewhere.

Loony tunes are older then you. Don't try and claim them as being your "childhood" unless you're in your 70's.

As to cartoons being PC..

(warning, non pc content)



The amount of "my childhood was the best childhood" going on this this thread is stupid. Your cartoons sucked. Mine were better. No one even gets hit by an acme frying pan. /end cartoon rant

Ahtman wrote:I'm more offended in the revision of the cartoons to remove all references to these things and pretending like it never happened then in the first place. You don't deal with race issues by acting like nothing never happened. Ignoring our history in film (remember most of these were shown in theaters) is not a very mature way of handling the situation. I understand they should be edited to show for kids on tv becuase a great deal of the cartoons still are quite entertaining, but you can't even get them on dvd/blu-ray. Makes it difficult to do any research when companies try to make it impossible to find the content. About the best way to watch any of these is on Laser Disc, as there are several sets that are complete but very expensive collectors items as well as the trouble of being on a defunct technology.

Try to find a copy of "Songs Of The South".

Personally, I find Spongebob funny. It clearly derives a lot of it's humour from the absurdist Monty Python-eque stuff. Problem, OP?

Amaya wrote:If you're on the internet you have been touched by 4chan in some fashion.

No big deal.

And having a Boba Fett avatar doesn't make you cool.

I thought adding a santa hat to a pic makes you really rad?!?

Ahtman wrote:I'm more offended in the revision of the cartoons to remove all references to these things and pretending like it never happened then in the first place. You don't deal with race issues by acting like nothing never happened. Ignoring our history in film (remember most of these were shown in theaters) is not a very mature way of handling the situation. I understand they should be edited to show for kids on tv becuase a great deal of the cartoons still are quite entertaining, but you can't even get them on dvd/blu-ray. Makes it difficult to do any research when companies try to make it impossible to find the content. About the best way to watch any of these is on Laser Disc, as there are several sets that are complete but very expensive collectors items as well as the trouble of being on a defunct technology.

I also don't like how they edited most of the violence. I caught "Rabbit season, Duck season" on tv the other day, they edit it to the point where is was unwatchable! Removing the non PC content is bad too, or maybe you agree that they need to take the "N" word out of Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer.

Anyone watched the new X-Men? how is it compared with the older one?

So far the only thing i nit pick is professor X's voice he sounds wayyyyy too old.

I will say this:

Cartoons "in my day" didn't seem to have such a "we have to be educational" sort of aesthetic that a lot of these more recent ones do. It seemed like they were purely for entertainment in more cases than they are currently which makes them, to me, seem better.

That said, Fosters was an absolutely brilliant show. So was Samurai Jack, though I can understand how it might have been too deep for some people to fully understand the amazingness. Also, ITT some people are getting way angrier than they ought to be.

The 90's didn't have a lot going for them aside from ushering in my transformation from useless prawn to glorious thinking being, but their cartoons were the perfect mix of not too much stupid, not too much preachy, and not too much badly animated. Case in point

Ensis Ferrae wrote:I think that the reason that so many of the cartoons we adults grew up with, and the awesome characters we had (such as Race Bannon, and the original Optimus Prime, and Duke from GI Joe) are so beloved, and we see new cartoons as bad, is because of PC.

What? There are no more characters like Optimus Prime because somehow PC deemed a character epitmising duty, honour and compassion as not fit for children?

You make no sense. Your opinion is absurd.


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Monster Rain wrote:Cartoons "in my day" didn't seem to have such a "we have to be educational" sort of aesthetic that a lot of these more recent ones do. It seemed like they were purely for entertainment in more cases than they are currently which makes them, to me, seem better.

I'm not sure what "your day" was, but my childhood is full of stupid, patronising messages at the end of cartoons. He-Man, GI Joe and well, everything, contained a message at the end about sharing or not judging a book by it's cover or other piffle, because they were required to by law.


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Andrew1975 wrote:I also don't like how they edited most of the violence. I caught "Rabbit season, Duck season" on tv the other day, they edit it to the point where is was unwatchable! Removing the non PC content is bad too, or maybe you agree that they need to take the "N" word out of Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer.

Editing children's cartoons for violence isn't "PC".

I agree that it does suck, though. It isn't just cartoons though, whenever a movie runs here in Australia that's got a bit of sex and violence in it there's a chance, about 1 in 3 probably, that the version the tv station got its hands on is a really censored US version, and isn't worth watching at all. Pulp Fiction ran on tv a while back, it was almost incoherent and about 30 minutes long.

Whilst I agree newer ones have gone downhill, I don't think that our childhood was filled with awesome ones.

However, we had awesome gak like:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Personally, I find Spongebob funny. It clearly derives a lot of it's humour from the absurdist Monty Python-eque stuff. Problem, OP?

Uni Daze: Spongebob... cereal... 10am... forget classes for the day

I prefer a lot of the older cartoons, which I came to the conclusion after watching a bunch of shows more recently; specifically ones I didn't watch in my childhood.

EDIT: This is the more 'modern' old shows, comparing 80s-early 90s to 00s+ mostly, though some 70s ones can still be compared. The older shows seems a completely different sort of beast, and some of them are rather odd.

Skywhales gave me nightmares as a kid, watching it again shocked me in how 'cartoony' it looked.

You don't need to read 4chan to learn things. Google is your friend.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic

malfred wrote:You don't need to read 4chan to learn things. Google is your friend.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic

No.

And that is what is called a pretty awesome meme.

I don't get it....



I can tell I am getting old, most of the antics of /b/ and the ilk seem to fly right over my head, raising nary a chuckle.

filbert wrote:I don't get it....



I can tell I am getting old, most of the antics of /b/ and the ilk seem to fly right over my head, raising nary a chuckle.

Don't feel old, I don't get most of the meme crap either.

WarOne wrote:

malfred wrote:You don't need to read 4chan to learn things. Google is your friend.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic

No.

And that is what is called a pretty awesome meme.

To be fair, I didn't know it was so popular on 4Chan, since I started watching it when Melissia posted that "Make a man out of you" thread.

No, I don't.

sebster wrote:I'm not sure what "your day" was, but my childhood is full of stupid, patronising messages at the end of cartoons. He-Man, GI Joe and well, everything, contained a message at the end about sharing or not judging a book by it's cover or other piffle, because they were required to by law.

Indeed, but as you say, it was tacked on at the end and was easily turned off if you didn't feel like watching that part of the show. I would rather have it at the end when you could avoid it than shoehorned into the actual content of the show.

Also, if it hadn't been for those important messages we wouldn't have this:





or this:




And that would be a sin.

Meh, I preferred the '00s cartoons. The DCAU comes to mind, one of the best produced western animated series ever.

filbert wrote:I can tell I am getting old, most of the antics of /b/ and the ilk seem to fly right over my head, raising nary a chuckle.

I've never posted on or even read 4chan.

I don't see myself starting.

Where is the Exo-Squad love? Come on it was WWII in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!

Plus humans died regularly. That was something new in American cartoons.

Yep todays cartoons suck giant donkey balls. What's worse though, that EVERYTHING here, get's dubbed now.

TV and games taught me english (I was fluent by the time we actually got lessons for it) and they'v completely taken this away.

Then again, you can't learn if it's so horrible you don't want to watch anyway.

I always make sure to supply my nephews with loads of awesome cartoons for this reason And luckily their parents agree.

Wolfun wrote:Whilst I agree newer ones have gone downhill, I don't think that our childhood was filled with awesome ones.

However, we had awesome gak like:

I practically grew up on this. And Megas XLR.

I also remember some sort of Mario Bros. Cartoon that was alright.

Theres probably some other ones. But I forget.

What's bad about spiderman? I loved that show!

I agree that it does suck, though. It isn't just cartoons though, whenever a movie runs here in Australia that's got a bit of sex and violence in it there's a chance, about 1 in 3 probably, that the version the tv station got its hands on is a really censored US version, and isn't worth watching at all. Pulp Fiction ran on tv a while back, it was almost incoherent and about 30 minutes long.

Yeah, try watching the Sopranos on regular TV. It's unwatchable

Where is the Exo-Squad love? Come on it was WWII in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!

Plus humans died regularly. That was something new in American cartoons.

This is why I switched to Robotech over GI Joe and transformers. First episode of Robotech you got to see people die, GI Joe people manage to jump out of tanks before they blew up. Really?

There are good cartoons from the past, and total crap cartoons from the past. There are some good ones now, but there are a lot of total hyper miracle crap ones now too. The live action shows nowadays aimed at kids are just as crapesque as the ones from the 80s or whatever. Kids Incorporated was crap. I'll give 'You can't do that on television" a pass. The Suite Life, Hannah Montana, etc., are just as shockingly stupid and lame as Saved by the Bell.

^^ and as for the GI JOE comment, my favourite was when jeeps were driven off of a cliff and the occupants had parachutes.

Haters gonna hate.

Yes there were some great cartoons years ago, but then there was also Scrappy Doo.