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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 12:41:11
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Mira Oberman misquotes and distorts Obama
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Awesome. I am sure the coming budget discussions will now proceed in a calm orderly manner.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gwmfm9AhPrpno5oPs0D8RDdE5C_g?docId=CNG.bfcf81924706f2f24f0a0c73517a5456.241
Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
By Mira Oberman (AFP) – 8 hours ago
CHICAGO — US President Barack Obama accused his Republican foes of wanting to turn the United States into a "Third World" country Thursday as he rallied support for his reelection campaign.
The attack came a day after Obama savaged Republican budget plans and unveiled his $4 trillion deficit reduction drive that aims to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans in order to preserve key social services.
The debate over fiscal policy will prove critical to the 2012 campaign, and Obama sought to frame it as a "stark choice" between investing in the future or watching the country fall apart.
"Under their vision, we can't invest in roads and bridges and broadband and high-speed rail," Obama told a select group of the Democratic faithful at the second of three fundraising events in his hometown of Chicago.
"I mean, we would be a nation of potholes, and our airports would be worse than places that we thought -- that we used to call the Third World, but who are now investing in infrastructure."
Republican plans to shrink the reach of government is "not a vision that's impelled by the numbers" but a "choice" to give a trillion dollars in tax breaks to the rich rather than ask those who have been "blessed" to "give a little more," he said.
Obama said his vision was one of an ambitious, compassionate and caring America "where we're living within our means but we're still investing in our future."
"If we apply some practical common sense to this, we can solve our fiscal challenges and still have the America that we believe in," Obama told supporters at Chicago's N9NE restaurant.
"That's what this budget debate is going to be about. And that's what the 2012 campaign is going to be about."
The events in Chicago were Obama's first fundraisers since he officially launched his bid for a second term on April 4 and were expected to raise about two million dollars (1.4 million euros).
Analysts predict Obama -- who raised a record $750 million ahead of the 2008 election -- will build a billion-dollar war chest this time around.
But money won't be enough to win, senior advisor and 2008 campaign manager David Plouffe told a crowd of 2,300 supporters gathered in a ballroom at Navy Pier ahead of Obama's speech.
"If only the people who normally vote in presidential elections vote in this election it will be too close," Plouffe said as he urged supporters to get more people involved in the campaign.
"You've got to get these people to get involved and to vote so we can make sure that we succeed in this election."
Obama established his 2012 campaign headquarters in Chicago, the first time a presidential reelection campaign was not based in Washington.
He said the campaign wanted to be "rooted in your hopes and rooted in your dreams" instead of influenced by Washington pundits and powerbrokers.
Obama reminded the cheering crowd of the sense of hope and possibility they felt when they celebrated his election as the first African-American US president in Chicago's Grant Park.
"And yet, even as we celebrated -- you remember what I said back then? I said our work wasn't ending, our work was just beginning," Obama said.
"We've still got business to do. We are not finished.
"We've got to reclaim the American dream for all Americans. That's the change we still believe in," the US leader added.
"We took office in the middle of the worst recession in our lifetimes," Obama reminded supporters. The recession, he said, was "so bad that many families are still grappling with the aftershocks, even though the economy is growing again."
Barring a dramatic turn, no major adversary from within his party is likely to challenge Obama, who turns 50 in August.
As for who might run against him from the Republican Party's ranks, uncertainty reigns.
Former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney have taken the first official steps toward candidacy, while conservative former House speaker Newt Gingrich and even real estate mogul Donald Trump have hinted at mounting bids for the Republican nomination.
In less than a month, the 64-year-old Trump has jumped from 10 to 19 percent support among Republican voters, tying with former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, according to a CNN poll released this week.
Republican officials worry that the crowded field of possible White House hopefuls could end up helping Obama, who could be vulnerable as the US economy limps out of its worst downturn since the Great Depression of the 1930s.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 12:56:17
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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While "third world country" is rather overdone hyperbole, I agree with his sentiments. "Under their vision, we can't invest in roads and bridges and broadband and high-speed rail,"
Repugs want the private sector to invest in society, almost exclusively-- during a time when almost universally the private sector isn't investing due to a long and sustained economic downturn.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 12:59:03
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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I thought we were going towards a Fourth World nation, complete with coconuts running our autarky and our new roads paved with excrement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 13:08:22
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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I don't think it's helpful to keep calling republicans "repugs".
You can't expect to engage in meaningful dialogue and debate if you start by demonising the people you need to talk to.
Obviously some of this speech is just pre-campaign rhetoric. I don't know how much of a problem there really is with the US infrastructure. I've read some articles critical of lack of investment in roads, bridges and so on. The Lake Portchartrain levees are a good example. But is it widespread?
I don't know what the budget numbers look like.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 13:10:28
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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Wait, demonizing? I thought it was just a nickname, they call eachother such locally.
And it is very much dependent on the state. A lot of cities, especially smaller ones, are still using things made during the Great Depression with little to no modifications.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 13:11:13
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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What happens locally won't necessarily translate across the whole internet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 13:17:40
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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True, but you could explain why it is seen as demonizing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 13:22:16
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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Repug = repugnant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 13:23:39
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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Ah, okay then. I'll try to avoid it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 13:25:31
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 13:28:31
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Melissia wrote:Wait, demonizing? I thought it was just a nickname, they call eachother such locally.
And it is very much dependent on the state. A lot of cities, especially smaller ones, are still using things made during the Great Depression with little to no modifications.
No Republican would call another that. It violates the 11th Commandment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 13:55:55
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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Frazzled wrote:Melissia wrote:Wait, demonizing? I thought it was just a nickname, they call eachother such locally.
And it is very much dependent on the state. A lot of cities, especially smaller ones, are still using things made during the Great Depression with little to no modifications.
No Republican would call another that. It violates the 11th Commandment.
Thou shalt not give the Democrats ammunition to use against us?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 14:06:45
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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Apparently the only thing most of the American populace understands is ridiculous hyperbole. The more extreme, the more likely they might actually pay attention I guess.
Great way to kick it off, lol. Not like he could have said anything to start any kind of budgetary discussions in a bipartisan manner.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 14:14:40
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daedalus-templarius wrote:Apparently the only thing most of the American populace understands is ridiculous hyperbole. The more extreme, the more likely they might actually pay attention I guess.
Great way to kick it off, lol. Not like he could have said anything to start any kind of budgetary discussions in a bipartisan manner.
Meh, even if he had the tea party people would have ignored it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 14:22:35
Subject: Re:Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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Soooo when can we start saving money by cutting things like medicaid for illegials that jump the border and pop out a kid.
Or I dunno, those people who KEEP HAVING fething KIDS when their 4 kids are already on medicaid.
My personal opinion is if you have a kid while on medicaid you should be sterilized. Why should the taxpayers pay for your damn children.
I know medicaid is both federal and state but still... what the hell
Also food stamps.... Tired of seeing people buying gak like ice cream, soda, and candy with a food stamps card...
Seriously the hell are they allowed to buy VANITY foods on taxpayer dollars... It should be specific items only.
Actually it should be, you go to XXXX place once a week and get a bag with your food for the week, if you dont like whats in there tough, your living on other peoples money.
Seriously there was a 6-12 month period I went without these kinds of things, nothing but food that I needed to survive, no cable, dial up internet (mainly for school). Then the lady in front of me has tons of junk food in the market and whips out a food stamp card... Cant help but think awesome, my money is going towards her ice cream instead of my own.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 14:24:26
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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As long as that Muslim from Kenya still wants to kill my grandma and give my job to the Mexicans I ain't gonna vote for him and I know all he says is lies. He ruined how awesome America was made by the great G Dubya.
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Retroactively applied infallability is its own reward. I wish I knew this years ago.
 I am Red/White Take The Magic Dual Colour Test - Beta today! <small>Created with Rum and Monkey's Personality Test Generator.</small>I'm both chaotic and orderly. I value my own principles, and am willing to go to extreme lengths to enforce them, often trampling on the very same principles in the process. At best, I'm heroic and principled; at worst, I'm hypocritical and disorderly. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 14:25:36
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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Guitardian wrote:As long as that Muslim from Kenya still wants to kill my grandma and give my job to the Mexicans I ain't gonna vote for him and I know all he says is lies. He ruined how awesome America was made by the great G Dubya.
/popcorn....
I love this statement, but this is going to be hillarious!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 14:28:10
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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No... it isn't.
Because I know several dozen people who honestly believe that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 14:30:33
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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You think thats funny? Well the truth hurts, dont it demoncrat?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 14:34:02
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Mira Oberman apparently cannot be trusted with a quote. Fraz, why fan flames that incompetent reporter is trying to light?
The quote is: "I mean, we would be a nation of potholes, and our airports would be worse than places that we thought -- that we used to call the Third World, but who are now investing in infrastructure."
He's talking only about infrastructure, and the only Third World comparison he's making is about airports.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 14:48:15
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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Mannahnin wrote:Mira Oberman apparently cannot be trusted with a quote. Fraz, why fan flames that incompetent reporter is trying to light?
The quote is: "I mean, we would be a nation of potholes, and our airports would be worse than places that we thought -- that we used to call the Third World, but who are now investing in infrastructure."
He's talking only about infrastructure, and the only Third World comparison he's making is about airports.
He called Ryan's budget plan "UnAmerican" while Ryan was actually there. Brilliant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 15:22:14
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Mind you for the airport thing, I blame the airlines in many ways.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 15:33:06
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Mannahnin wrote:"I mean, we would be a nation of potholes, and our airports would be worse than places that we thought -- that we used to call the Third World, but who are now investing in infrastructure."
Most airports are either owned by municipalities or private owners. Ones owned by municipalities should be taxing to repair them or selling them to private owners. Private owners have the obligation to make repairs in their infrastructure, not the tax payer. So this comparison by Obama seems very false.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 15:37:56
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Guitardian wrote:As long as that Muslim from Kenya still wants to kill my grandma and give my job to the Mexicans I ain't gonna vote for him and I know all he says is lies. He ruined how awesome America was made by the great G Dubya.
You're not voting for anyone anyway, dirty foreigner...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 15:38:17
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"He called Ryan's budget plan "UnAmerican" while Ryan was actually there. Brilliant."
It is Brilliant. That guy's plan has a lot of crazy ideas. Republicans have been calling Obama unAmerican for years. He manned up and did it to their face instead of on some 24 hour news show. The closer election time gets the more forceful speak you will hear.
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And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 15:43:47
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This just in:A politician used hyperbole to attack his foes. This was an isolated incident. Apparently.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 16:04:51
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Frazzled wrote:Mannahnin wrote:Mira Oberman apparently cannot be trusted with a quote. Fraz, why fan flames that incompetent reporter is trying to light?
The quote is: "I mean, we would be a nation of potholes, and our airports would be worse than places that we thought -- that we used to call the Third World, but who are now investing in infrastructure."
He's talking only about infrastructure, and the only Third World comparison he's making is about airports.
He called Ryan's budget plan "UnAmerican" while Ryan was actually there. Brilliant.
Ryans plan is self destructive and insane, so I don't know what he was talking about. It reflects current day America perfectly. Either way though, this entire thread is hyperbolic bs coming from an article that is hyperbolic bs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 16:22:08
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Enslaviour wrote:Mannahnin wrote:"I mean, we would be a nation of potholes, and our airports would be worse than places that we thought -- that we used to call the Third World, but who are now investing in infrastructure."
Most airports are either owned by municipalities or private owners. Ones owned by municipalities should be taxing to repair them or selling them to private owners. Private owners have the obligation to make repairs in their infrastructure, not the tax payer. So this comparison by Obama seems very false.
Well if giant Airbus planes keep flinging around our good time honored red blooded American planes (or Embraers), we should sell stadium seating. That should take care of it.
Wait I thought planes were evil carbon spewing symbols of American imperialism unless flying Al Gore somewhere? I'm so confused.
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sexiest_hero wrote:"He called Ryan's budget plan "UnAmerican" while Ryan was actually there. Brilliant."
It is Brilliant. That guy's plan has a lot of crazy ideas. Republicans have been calling Obama unAmerican for years. He manned up and did it to their face instead of on some 24 hour news show. The closer election time gets the more forceful speak you will hear.
As a sitting President right before beginning budget negotiations its pathetic. He's campaigning, not performing the duties of his office. It explains why his ratings keep falling.
-Partisan Chacago hack in campaign mode "the other side is EEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVIL!"
-US President. "I applaud, the Republican beginning. I applaud the Bipartisan commission's efforts. Here is my plan. As your President each group has some ideas with merit, and we all want to balance the budget. Now begins the process of coming together on a joint plan that will fix this crisis. It will be difficult. There will be many stumbling blocks. But with compromise and firm conviction we can come forth with a final plan, a better plan, that will solve this. "
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 16:49:39
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Frazzled wrote:As a sitting President right before beginning budget negotiations its pathetic. He's campaigning, not performing the duties of his office. It explains why his ratings keep falling.
-Partisan Chacago hack in campaign mode "the other side is EEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVIL!"
-US President. "I applaud, the Republican beginning. I applaud the Bipartisan commission's efforts. Here is my plan. As your President each group has some ideas with merit, and we all want to balance the budget. Now begins the process of coming together on a joint plan that will fix this crisis. It will be difficult. There will be many stumbling blocks. But with compromise and firm conviction we can come forth with a final plan, a better plan, that will solve this. "
It's hard to be magnanimous when you're already losing the message. It wasn't that long ago that Obama was suggesting moderate increases in so-called "targetted spending" to "win the future." Now, he's on his heels trying to fight cuts as Republicans are essentially directing the message.
If you're a populist, you can't let the other side control the message. In contrast, Bush was a pragmatist, and when the opposition controlled the message, he worked with them to limit the amount of (perceived) damage they could do.
Basically, Obama has to control the message again in order to get control. The only way to do so is to get people talking about his ideas, not compromise deals cut in Congress. This is why he came out and claimed credit for the budget deal that avoided government shutdown. His message is about himself rather than his ideas.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/15 16:55:35
Subject: Republicans will make US a 'Third World' country: Obama
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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