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Simple question really, what units in the codex wouldn't Iron Warriors use?

I realize they specialize in Siege but from that I'm trying to develop a fluffy base to my army.


Any thoughts?

Hmm, apart from Daemon Princes they don't seem to utilize Lesser or Greater Daemons.

Not sure if they would use Raptors as much, they don't seem to fit their, shoot into oblivion, style.

Chaos Marines, Terminators and Obliterators along with vehicles and Dreadnoughts would be a pretty good fluff army.

The only Cult choice I have seen has been Bezerkers in Storm of Iron.

Pilau Rice wrote:Hmm, apart from Daemon Princes they don't seem to utilize Lesser or Greater Daemons.

Not sure if they would use Raptors as much, they don't seem to fit their, shoot into oblivion, style.

Chaos Marines, Terminators and Obliterators along with vehicles and Dreadnoughts would be a pretty good fluff army.

The only Cult choice I have seen has been Bezerkers in Storm of Iron.

Right now that is what my army looks like, minus the oblits, and dreadnought for this point level.

What are your thoughts on their use of sorcerers? Would it be rather prominent?

Pilau Rice wrote:Hmm, apart from Daemon Princes they don't seem to utilize Lesser or Greater Daemons.

Not sure if they would use Raptors as much, they don't seem to fit their, shoot into oblivion, style.

Chaos Marines, Terminators and Obliterators along with vehicles and Dreadnoughts would be a pretty good fluff army.

The only Cult choice I have seen has been Bezerkers in Storm of Iron.

they use daemon princes. In storm of iron the Warsmith becomes one. Ya ya Raptors not at all bikes maybe. Lesser and greater daemon not at all.

cgage00 wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:Hmm, apart from Daemon Princes they don't seem to utilize Lesser or Greater Daemons.

Not sure if they would use Raptors as much, they don't seem to fit their, shoot into oblivion, style.

Chaos Marines, Terminators and Obliterators along with vehicles and Dreadnoughts would be a pretty good fluff army.

The only Cult choice I have seen has been Bezerkers in Storm of Iron.

they use daemon princes. In storm of iron the Warsmith becomes one. Ya ya Raptors not at all bikes maybe. Lesser and greater daemon not at all.

If they use Daemon Princes, I may be able to make a semi competitive force, while being fluffy after all!

Bikes are cool, I just don't think they are extremely well known for the Iron Warriors, so I'd stay away from them.

Check list-

Has it got a big gun(s)?

Has it got thick armor?

Is it capable of extreme firepower and decimating fortresses?

Has it got yellow and black warning stripes?

If you qualify for all these things, the Iron Warriors would LOVE it.

Iron warriors don't like mutations. They tend to chop them off and use the warp power to power cybernetics.

They also don't use any cult troops or chaos marks other than undivided. The exception to this is sometimes they will include a unit of berzerkers in their forces.

Also no daemons.

Haha very good point!

Whats your guys opinions on using a Sorcerer with Lash, the lash would be a barb wire looking tentacle looking thing coming from their hand.

I would rather use a Warsmith, but am on the edge of the usefulness of lords.


Planning on converting normal marines to hold Chainswords, and Bolt pistols as their Bezerkers. I'm not a fan of the actual model.

I do not think they are useless at all, actually I find Sorcerers useless. Iron Warriors seem not to use Plague Marines or Rubrik Marines, I am not sure about Noise Marines.

I like Sorcerers because they can cast lash from a rhino, letting my vindicators blast the crap out if whatever. I dont like how easy the lord is to kill.

cgage00 wrote:
they use daemon princes. In storm of iron the Warsmith becomes one. Ya ya Raptors not at all bikes maybe. Lesser and greater daemon not at all.

I said apart from Daemon Princes they don't use Daemons. But do they have Daemon Princes? The Warsmith in Storm off Iron becomes one and buggers of and leaves the Host to Honsou. I am not sure if their are other Daemon Princes. They don't worship a power and the only way The Warsmith became a Prince was because of his bargain with Abaddon.

revackey wrote:Haha very good point!

Whats your guys opinions on using a Sorcerer with Lash, the lash would be a barb wire looking tentacle looking thing coming from their hand.

I would rather use a Warsmith, but am on the edge of the usefulness of lords.

There is a Sorcerer in Storm of Iron, but he's more kept around as tool rather than an anything else, as soon as he's served his purpose the Warsmith turns him into a spawn. Lords with wings or Jumps packs have a purpose but Daemon Princes are your best bet.

They do use Sorcerors. For example, in Dead Sky, Black Sun, there is a large group of Sorcerors working for one of the Iron Warriors' factions. So while they use Sorcerors, more "traditional" Warsmiths probably would eschew them in favor of big guns.

If you want a Sorcerer with Lash and for it to be Fluffy for the IW. Why not model it as a Warsmith with a special gun/tractor Beam emitter?

Point it us as a Socerer with Lash and it could work.


Although you might be better off buy and converting a plastic Lash prince.

Have a look in the gallery for IW Demon Princes. There are soem NICE ones.

I would say soundmarines ive seen loads of iron warriors armys but never seen any soundmarines in them.

-no greater demons
-no lesser demons
-no possessed
-no noise marines
-no plague marines
-no 1k sons
-khorne berzerkers are used as breaching troops
-obliterators/vindicators are a must
-dreadnoughts are used for breaching as well.
-Daemon Princes are fine (after all perturabo himself is one!)
-Chaos Lords and sorcerers are okay fluffwise as well as well (see Storm of Iron by Graham McNeil)

with the new rulebook, you don't really get to experience the full unique-ness of a truly Iron Warriors army but thats about as close as you can get until the next codex where hopefully they revisit things like us being able to take basilisks and warsmiths. hope that helps!

-BH

No deamons....Though I am not sure if the have possesd...I think every army has aleast a squad of possesd marines. Khorn Berzekers are used sometimes as allys....Maybe Plaque marines. Not Noise marines thats fr sure.

The iron warriors are the least daemonic of the fallen legions, no mutations and only daemon princes (The daemonic strength/power is just a means to end) and obliterators. They are more about spite and utterly destroying the enemy/proving they are the better than other marines both chaotic and Loyalist, not venerating the gods of chaos, chasing strange objectives or, IMO, 'death to the false emperor!'.
Personally i would avoid 'world eater' bezerkers, but am all for iron warrior bezerker shock troops.

Fluff or not , seeing an army thats fanatical in it's belief ( and trust ) in heavy weaponry and armor...

then suddenly a clothed robed sorcerer gets plopped on the table just does NOT look right.

I think sorcerors are not unheard of withn the ranks but they would be ancients, relics of the Heresy. Though Possibly an apprentice or two would not be unheard of. Afterall they would need sorcerors to Summon the daemons for defilers, daemon weapons and vehicle possesion. Saying this they would probably be something akin to a techpriest/librarian hybrid.

I think many of you seem to be being very black and white about this, in that whilst the Iron Warriors don't typically use Daemons, it doesn't mean that the OP should completely disregard them and be unable to use them.

There is a precedent for the Iron Warriors to not use Daemons/Mutations etc. and basically anything that is truly based around the Chaos gods, and that includes cult troops. However, they will still employ the odd Daemon Prince and they've been known for fielding a large number of Defilers, which are infact Daemonically possesed. Furthermore, with the time spent in the EoT and around the influence of Chaos in general, they can't going to remain completely pure from Chaos. As Storm of Iron (great novel btw) showed, Chaos can still influence the Iron Warriors, despite their general refusal to use such powers.

As such, although typically they don't employ daemonic/chaotic forces, it doesn't mean they can't/won't. The IW's aren't stupid and if need be, they will employ such methods in order to win a battle and - in the long run - destroy the Imperium.

As such, OP, I believe you'd be better to focus on what they WOULD use, rather than WOULDN'T as, despite their preferences they's no saying they wouldn't employ such methods or that there couldn't be more divergent IW warbands.

As others have said, TYPICALLY they avoid Daemonic Forces and the influence of Chaos, through specific Marks, Possession and Spawn. Whilst typically they maintain a large number of vehicles (Defilers and Vindicators in particular), Heavy Weaponry (Lascannons and Meltaguns/Flamers in particular) and generally anything that can specialise in siege warfare; suggesting that Bikes may be of limited use.

I used a squad of 'zerkers in my army. I went with red shoulder pads and "horns" and normal IW colours everywhere else.

I can see IWs goign Khorne due to the fact that they do relish a close up fight after the siege is successful. I can't see them using other Cult choices though.


You coudl always field Possessed and use servo arms or bionics instead of the normal mutations.

Im black n white on this because i think heavy weapon and tough armor painted in black and yellow stripes is what makes Iron warrior unique and oh so characterful. Hence the robe mage is so out of place.

Almost like...
A nurgle army with clean sparkly tank.
A white scar army without bikes but only foot slogging marines

etc etc

Have to agree on this. I dont think Sorcerers really fit in with the IW army, but there's not fluff to support that, it's just my opinion..

If i was goign to use one i would point it up as normal but put gun barrels and stuff on him and say he is packing a load of warp-powered weapons (psyker powers).

Sorry about the late response guys, you all bring up very good points about the sorcerer, and I just wouldn't want to field something that rare.

I will possibly be using a Daemon Prince, I'll check out the gallery for them.

I think I will be skipping obliterators because I despise their big metal model, and maxing out on vindicators.

the only cult troops I am using is the zerkers like people have mentioned, I am going to use regular Iron Warrior bodies on them, and instead of having a blank shoulderpad and a shoulderpad with an icon on it, they will have one of those champion shoulderpads with the imprinted skull.

I'm probably not using Daemons other than a DP not just because they are rare, but because I'm not sure what cult daemon I would use for their worship. (Probably Khorne, no?)

Lastly, good suggestion on the sorcerer Praxiss, if I were to field one that would be the way I'd do it!

I also hate the obliterator models, so I made my own. I took Chaos terminators and have them holding lascannons converted from the autocannon and such. They look really good, I'll see if I can get a pic up.

As for IW, they definitely use possessed. Honsou's body guard in Dead Sky, Black Sun was a possessed marine. They have defilers, chaos titans, and other large possessed guns. When his fortressed was under siege, Honsou led a raiding party which destroyed a very large daemon-cannon. They are definitely not above using sorcery, as Warsmith Toromino's sorcerers had many sorceror towers attacking Honsou's fortifications. Heck, they even have a corrupt hive ship they use to transport titans in Storm of Iron.

I got the impression that that hive shi had a form of the Obliterator virus which allowed the Iron Warriors to corrupt it. Meh.


Obliterators are a must take a an IW army!! I hate the metal models as well but have not gotten around to converting Termies for them yet, although this is deffo the way to go.

I forgot to mention this , when i mentioned robed sorceror feels out of place in IW army , its only the aesthetics and the "feel" of the army.

By all means , convert a sorcerer into something armored and menacing still works!

If you're after servo arms, try checking out MaxMini. They doa pack of bionic arms that coudl work well for servo arms on CSM.

I plan on getting a couple of packs at some point.

Get rid of:
-Chaos Spawns
-Daemons
-Raptors
-Bikes

-Emphasize:
-Vindicators
-Predators
-Siege-equipped Dreadnoughts (aka no combat arms)
-Obliterators
-Bionics

The only problem with Siege Dreads is that the long range means they need to stay near the back, which measn their Fire Frenzy rulel coudl then go very badly for you.

Chaos Dreads are best being up front.

I have an IW Siege Dread for apoc games. Assault Drill siege arm (2D6 vs bunkers with a free H.Flamer hit inside if you penetrate) and an Inferno Cannon. Yummy