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Okay, So I know most of the Human Factions;

Empire - German
Bretonnia - England/France
Araby - Middle East/North Africa
Cathy - China
Albion - Britain and Ireland
Tilea - Italy
Estalia - Spain
Norsca - Vikings
Khemri - Egypt
Ind - India
Khuresh - Laos/Vietnam/Thailand
Nippon - Japan
Kislev is said to be "Mongolian" but to me they seem more Prussian than anything else.

So does anyone know of any Mongolian Human Factions?





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I just about the Dark Lands and how they are steppe like lands that is filled with Orcs, Goblins, Ogres, and Chaos Dwarfs. They don't seem to talk about any human factions.

Mongolia style is covered by the Ogre Kingdom and the upcoming Warhammer Forge Hobgoblins (old Hobgoblins are more Skythia), not sure if any humans live there. The upcoming Warhammer Forge book will start there, in the region East of the Chaos Dwarf Empire.
Kislev is clearly Medieval Russia.

Point of order: Khemri isn't a nation/faction, it's the capital city of Nehekhara.

All Khemrians are Nehekharan, not all Nehekharans(read: Tomb Kings) are Khemrians.

Also, Nehekhara isn't a human faction anymore, the entire nation is dead thanks to Nagash.

as kroothawk said, the Ogres are the Mongolian faction.

Kislev is more of a Boyer-Russian faction with possably some Polish influences. IE: medieval russia.


Brettonia is Arthurian Legend mixed with Chivalry given physical form.

Ignoring Bretonnia's massive French influence is silly. All their names are French, the map looks like France, and many Bretonnian cities literally are French cities, perhaps with one or two letter changes.

hence the Chivalry influence, but the fluff is heavily Arthurian.

Lady of the Lake and questing knights especially.

I am not an expert, but the Arthur saga has its roots in British AND French literature, as according to the saga, Arthur fought against Saxon invaders of the British Isles, with many Celts fleeing to the (sic!) Bretagne after the lost war (see "Matière de Bretagne" http://www.answers.com/topic/la-mati-re-de-bretagne ), with some other things mixed in (Richard Lionheart becoming Louen Leoncouer).

Yessir, you are correct. Arthurian legend is actually mostly french influence, at least in it's current incarnation. We can thank William the Conqueror for that little tidbit.

Also, medieval England was actually heavily french for a long time after the Plantagenets took over. Most of the nobility from thereon in was french or norman based, and French was the language of the aristocracy.

Obviously a lot of this is IIRC, but I think I'm right.

Are you from Quebec?

Not really? I just spend my summers there, I have a lot of family in the province.

Kind of curious as to why you were curious?


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If I recall, did not Grimgor Ironhide lose to the leader of a horde of mongols/choasbased nomads when Archaon started his million man march?

Ratbarf wrote:Not really? I just spend my summers there, I have a lot of family in the province.

Kind of curious as to why you were curious?


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If I recall, did not Grimgor Ironhide lose to the leader of a horde of mongols/choasbased nomads when Archaon started his million man march?

That was Crom the Conqueror, he was leader of the Kurgan I think. They are supposed to be steppe horse warriors, if I'm remembering Liber Chaotica. Grimgor fought Crom to a standstill but his army was routed so he had to flee. (Except none of that happened apparently, according to GW). There's also the Hsung or something along those lines who are very clearly inspired by the Huns.

Why did none of it happen? And those warriors would seem closer to mongolians than the previously aforementioned Ogres and Kislevites, even though the models do somewhat resemble mongloid facial structures.

the color purple wrote:

Ratbarf wrote:Not really? I just spend my summers there, I have a lot of family in the province.

Kind of curious as to why you were curious?


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If I recall, did not Grimgor Ironhide lose to the leader of a horde of mongols/choasbased nomads when Archaon started his million man march?

That was Crom the Conqueror, he was leader of the Kurgan I think. They are supposed to be steppe horse warriors, if I'm remembering Liber Chaotica. Grimgor fought Crom to a standstill but his army was routed so he had to flee. (Except none of that happened apparently, according to GW). There's also the Hsung or something along those lines who are very clearly inspired by the Huns.

I thought it was Archon and some Imperial hero were fighting.

then Grimgor swept in, drop kicked Archon, screams "Orcs iz da best" and then flies away.

the color purple wrote:That was Crom the Conqueror, he was leader of the Kurgan I think. They are supposed to be steppe horse warriors, if I'm remembering Liber Chaotica. Grimgor fought Crom to a standstill but his army was routed so he had to flee. (Except none of that happened apparently, according to GW). There's also the Hsung or something along those lines who are very clearly inspired by the Huns.

The Crom vs Grimgor fiction is in the latest Orc and Goblin army book (8th Edition).

Grimgor iz da best!

And so it would seem that the Kurgan are the Mongolian faction of Warhammer.

The closest thing to Mongolians, IMHO, are the Hobgoblins, with such obvious names as Oglah-Khan and such.

As for humans, yeah, Kurgan. I felt like the Ogres were pretty close too.

Ogres really can't be close, as they aren't a cavalry based army, and Mongolians were pretty much cavalry to the exclusion of all else, and only fought as foot if they literally had no other choice.

Ogres have almost the same movement of Cavelry.

and they DO ride Rhinox.



Ogres are the Mongolian faction.

Somewhat, but the strength of Mongolians came from two inherent advantages, and one trained. The two inherent were mobility via their incredible riding skills and relatively quick and enduring ponies, the second was their firepower, which could only really be matched by English longbowmen when it came to both the strength of the bow and the accuracy with which they shot it. The third major advantage was their discipline. They were as disciplined if not more so than their chinese counterparts, and were likely trained more often and to an exacting degree.

Of course I am talking about the Golden horde here, pre Genghis mongols were pretty much anyones game if you could catch them.

Ogres really don't have the mobility, fire power, or leadership to accurately replicate mongols. The closest you can get currently using any army book is Goblin Wolf Riders, and their leadership and bows suck.

Ogres have the mobility.


and they are a representation of the Mongols as viewed by Europeans of the time pieriod.

Europeans viewed them as the spawn of Hell. a brutish horde of monsters, that would think nothing of slaughtering the entire population of a kingdom for a bit of a laugh.


they certaintly didn't see the precision or the tactical genious that such a horde required to organize.

the color purple wrote:They are supposed to be steppe horse warriors, if I'm remembering Liber Chaotica.

The steppe horse warriors are the Ungol, who used to live in the North but which are now Kislevite.

The models for them look somewhat Mongolian, except the champion.

Ratbarf wrote:Ogres really can't be close, as they aren't a cavalry based army, and Mongolians were pretty much cavalry to the exclusion of all else, and only fought as foot if they literally had no other choice.

True, I'm referring to asthetics I suppose. What with the faces and whatnot.

Oh,well in that case Kislev Horse archers and Ogre Kingdoms are eastern in appearence.

Ratbarf wrote:Ogres really can't be close, as they aren't a cavalry based army, and Mongolians were pretty much cavalry to the exclusion of all else, and only fought as foot if they literally had no other choice.

Nobody said that they are a total copy, medieval knights also rarely used Pegasi and Griffons as mounts. But then again, Ogres do have Rhinox Riders.

Platuan4th wrote:The models for them look somewhat Mongolian, except the champion.

Look at the beards. They are modelled after Cossacks, not Mongols, keeping with the medieval Russia theme.

Ratbarf wrote:Not really? I just spend my summers there, I have a lot of family in the province.
Kind of curious as to why you were curious?

Was a fun remark because no British would voluntarily acknowledge the King Arthur legend being French

I agree, Ogres are the closest army themed aesthetically to Mongolians.

They are nomadic, have a similar hierarchy structure and similar society. In terms of appearance armour, they look and dress what you would imagine giant Mongolians would be wearing at the time. Though I think for the moment Ogre Kingdoms is based on pre Ghengis Khan Mongolian Society with disunited tribes quarelling in the mountains ununified. In pre Ghengis Khan times although horses were still important they werent against fighting on foot.

Perhaps the next Ogre Kingdoms book will add a new character who unifies the tribes and begins the Fat Hordes long and inevitable conquest out of the mountains first to Cathay and then the world. Rhinoxin could be cool alternatives to Horses and far more appropriate considering a pony would be a light snack for an Ogre.

Was a fun remark because no British would voluntarily acknowledge the King Arthur legend being French

Ha, I'm British to the bone, but historicallly speaking, King Arthur was Welsh, the legends surrounding him though are mostly french in their current incarnation.

ColdFire wrote:I agree, Ogres are the closest army themed aesthetically to Mongolians.

They are nomadic, have a similar hierarchy structure and similar society. In terms of appearance armour, they look and dress what you would imagine giant Mongolians would be wearing at the time. Though I think for the moment Ogre Kingdoms is based on pre Ghengis Khan Mongolian Society with disunited tribes quarelling in the mountains ununified. In pre Ghengis Khan times although horses were still important they werent against fighting on foot.

Perhaps the next Ogre Kingdoms book will add a new character who unifies the tribes and begins the Fat Hordes long and inevitable conquest out of the mountains first to Cathay and then the world. Rhinoxin could be cool alternatives to Horses and far more appropriate considering a pony would be a light snack for an Ogre.

Greasus Goldtooth is kinda doing this, although he is about as far from Ghengis Khan as you can get.

although, the Ogre Kingdoms are said to be Migrating again, further westward. the Great Migration is coming and it shall feast on the fat lands of the Old World.

Grey Templar wrote:

ColdFire wrote:I agree, Ogres are the closest army themed aesthetically to Mongolians.

They are nomadic, have a similar hierarchy structure and similar society. In terms of appearance armour, they look and dress what you would imagine giant Mongolians would be wearing at the time. Though I think for the moment Ogre Kingdoms is based on pre Ghengis Khan Mongolian Society with disunited tribes quarelling in the mountains ununified. In pre Ghengis Khan times although horses were still important they werent against fighting on foot.

Perhaps the next Ogre Kingdoms book will add a new character who unifies the tribes and begins the Fat Hordes long and inevitable conquest out of the mountains first to Cathay and then the world. Rhinoxin could be cool alternatives to Horses and far more appropriate considering a pony would be a light snack for an Ogre.

Greasus Goldtooth is kinda doing this, although he is about as far from Ghengis Khan as you can get.

although, the Ogre Kingdoms are said to be Migrating again, further westward. the Great Migration is coming and it shall feast on the fat lands of the Old World.

Greasus Khan!, I like it.

I hear we could be getting a new Ogre Kingdoms book this year "only a rumour" so who knows which way the fluff will take us. I still think a Ghengis Khan like character would be beffiting of the Ogres and I certainly hope they keep the current feel of the army, it is my favourite after all.
I also hope we hear a little more about the Great Migration, perhaps history will be like ours and the Ogres will create the largest Empire in warhammer history.

Ghark Ironskin, he rides a Deamon Rhinox and is the fiercest Tyrant around.


there's someone to rally around, and you even get, Monsterous, Cavelry to boot.

Grey Templar wrote:Ghark Ironskin, he rides a Deamon Rhinox and is the fiercest Tyrant around.


there's someone to rally around, and you even get, Monsterous, Cavelry to boot.

Oglah Khan! Either way goblin wolf-riders are the closest you can right now to mongols.