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do boss poles allow more than one re-roll-able morale check?
so lets say a squad of truckk boyz get shot at and i get below 10 models i fail my moral.... so i use my boss pole and fail that...... can i keep useing it untill i run out of boyz??

same for grots can i use the hound to keep on eating and eating those grots, or is it used only one time?

No. You may never re-roll a re-roll.

While you can only use re-rolls like the Boss Pole or Hounds once for each event, you can use it in multiple events. So if you fail and then pass fleeing from shooting, you can use them again in the ensuing assault phase, if the need should arise. They are only single use if their rules say so.

Homer

but when i was reading the codex it doesnt say that...... it states, "each time a unit with a bp fails a morale test you may choose to inflict a wound on that unit in order to re-roll that morale test. page 92
so.... thats my understanding unless you can point me in the right direction.

Like Nungunz said, you may never re-roll a re-roll. It is on page 2 of the main rulebook.

You are not failing a morale test, you are failing a re-roll.

Bosspole can't allow a re-roll of a re-roll.

Page 2 of the brb says you can never reroll a reroll. You failed a moral test used the boss pole to reroll then failed the reoll.

Same goes for guards and commasars.

I think the OP is under the impression that each use of the boss pole was a different attempt at regaining morale. The use of the boss pole is the reroll, any further attempt you run into the pg 2 rule.

I had the same question so this is how it lays out. The Boss pole allows you to re-roll any failed moral check. That sentence when properly examined should say it all. So like you say, You take a wound that causes you to fall under 10 boys. Or in the case of my eldar playing brother I take 25 wounds and fall under 10 boyz. In that case I am taking one Moral check, not one for every wound suffered. If I fail, I use the boss pole and remove a boy. The removal of a boy does not count as taking another wound, IE getting another Moral check. IF I fail, I run. And in this case I just take them off the board cuz there aint nothing going to stop them. If I succeed they stay in place and can use the boss pole for the next time I'm required to take a moral check.

This to me is one of the most aggrivating and totaly nessesary pieces of gear available to the orks. When playing in large mobs 20 30, 15 and 10 is 50% of the unit. So when I fail a check and the boss pole fails me I'm out 9 boyz. Just gone. More often its 6 when Mob Rulz doesn't even help anymore. But nothing make me more mad then watching that one space marine left watching my 6 boyz run away knowing that I'm not even going to get a chance to re-group.

Not to mention the opponent basically being forced to shoot those last 2-3 boyz down, because the Nob in there can still smash as good as at the beginning of the game.

You still should not pick up your boyz when they fail, they may still shoot. My sluggas tend to become deadly sharpshooters once they break

Had this pop up in a game on saturday...
I tried to show how this (IMO wrong) reading of the rules breaks the game mechanics
Ork player stuck to his guns, claiming 'Codex trumps BRB'
I argued that this broke the 'No rolling a re-roll more than once' rule on pg2(?) of the BRB.
He said 'it's more Orky this way' which i kinda see, Nobs slotting their recalcitrant Boyz an all that, but it can make a hell of a difference to the way a game plays out...

People like to bend the rules to their will. I have had imperial guard player claim when using their commanders ld that they don't take penalties for losing the combat. Total face palm.

tgf wrote:People like to bend the rules to their will. I have had imperial guard player claim when using their commanders ld that they don't take penalties for losing the combat. Total face palm.

IG players will often have the Stubborn rule in effect which has the exact effect you have described - no leadership modifier for losses in combat.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

tgf wrote:People like to bend the rules to their will. I have had imperial guard player claim when using their commanders ld that they don't take penalties for losing the combat. Total face palm.

IG players will often have the Stubborn rule in effect which has the exact effect you have described - no leadership modifier for losses in combat.

Yes if they have a commisar, but this wasn't the case. They thought that if they used their commanders leadership because he was within so many inches it replaced their adjusted ld of 2 for the loss with his native. I tried to explain to them the leadership swap happens then the combat penalty is applied.

tgf wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

tgf wrote:People like to bend the rules to their will. I have had imperial guard player claim when using their commanders ld that they don't take penalties for losing the combat. Total face palm.

IG players will often have the Stubborn rule in effect which has the exact effect you have described - no leadership modifier for losses in combat.

Yes if they have a commisar, but this wasn't the case. They thought that if they used their commanders leadership because he was within so many inches it replaced their adjusted ld of 2 for the loss with his native. I tried to explain to them the leadership swap happens then the combat penalty is applied.

If I recall, though it's been a long, long time, that's how it works for BoSL. Perhaps he was just getting the two confused?

The ork player can argue it any way he wants, but taking more than one reroll is cheating.

Its the same with imperial guard and commissars, you get 1 re roll per failed test not infinite re rolls as long as you have models to kill.

cassiaus wrote:I had the same question so this is how it lays out. The Boss pole allows you to re-roll any failed moral check. That sentence when properly examined should say it all. So like you say, You take a wound that causes you to fall under 10 boys. Or in the case of my eldar playing brother I take 25 wounds and fall under 10 boyz. In that case I am taking one Moral check, not one for every wound suffered. If I fail, I use the boss pole and remove a boy. The removal of a boy does not count as taking another wound, IE getting another Moral check. IF I fail, I run. And in this case I just take them off the board cuz there aint nothing going to stop them. If I succeed they stay in place and can use the boss pole for the next time I'm required to take a moral check.

This to me is one of the most aggrivating and totaly nessesary pieces of gear available to the orks. When playing in large mobs 20 30, 15 and 10 is 50% of the unit. So when I fail a check and the boss pole fails me I'm out 9 boyz. Just gone. More often its 6 when Mob Rulz doesn't even help anymore. But nothing make me more mad then watching that one space marine left watching my 6 boyz run away knowing that I'm not even going to get a chance to re-group.

You do know you're out about 9 boyz to fearless wounds anyways, right? You don't make Leadership tests to see if you do or don't take the Fearless wounds, they just happen, and you don't break.

Had a guy at my FLGS playing it that way with his Chaos armies. He was apparently undefeated with them. Last turn of the game rolls around, his Berserkers are assaulted by a Drednaught, and lose combat. He rolls a couple dice, and doesn't take any armour saves. I ask what he's doing, he says "They pass leadership, they don't take fearless wounds". I say that's wrong, some checking of the Little Red Book later, he's absolutely flabberghasted, states that he's never gonna play his Chaos again.

Moral of this story? Make sure you completely know the rules before putting too much time into your army.

I'd rather roll 9 armor saves then one die for 20 models (or however many he had). Fearless is still awesome for the most part.

I play this rool with multiple times generaly, orks olnly have a ld of 7 so its very handy, but for fluff terms it makes sense, you can imagine a nob gunning down two or three of his boys to resore order and you can easy imagine a runtherd cracking the whip as a very hungry squig hound eats up half the squad, the low ld value makes it pretty easy to fail, so oppenents should revel the chance to watch those orks get shot up by the nob and the grots getting munched down hard, and this had never been a problem in our group untill we played the last game and i done it with my grots and lost 6 or 7 in regrouping, i dont see it as cheating more as playing orks as orks should be played , each to there own though its only a game

You can't re-roll a re-roll in this game.

When testing on Ld7, the odds are less than 1/4 that you won't passt on either the first try or the first re-roll. A second re-roll makes it more like 1/9 or 1/10. Never mind more.

ok just checking.... wasnt sure if it was a one rerollable roll or several

Anvildude wrote:
You do know you're out about 9 boyz to fearless wounds anyways, right? You don't make Leadership tests to see if you do or don't take the Fearless wounds, they just happen, and you don't break.

Had a guy at my FLGS playing it that way with his Chaos armies. He was apparently undefeated with them. Last turn of the game rolls around, his Berserkers are assaulted by a Drednaught, and lose combat. He rolls a couple dice, and doesn't take any armour saves. I ask what he's doing, he says "They pass leadership, they don't take fearless wounds". I say that's wrong, some checking of the Little Red Book later, he's absolutely flabberghasted, states that he's never gonna play his Chaos again.

I might be totally misreading this but, why would you try to pass a leadership test when you lose combat if you're fearless??

And that guy isn't that smart, yes you take more wounds, but CSM has power armor, so its not like ork that 90% of the fearless wounds results in deaths.

Just to make sure I understand that rule (I feel confuesed right now)

I have 30 boyz asssault 10 death company, I do 5 wounds while he does 10 wounds. I do my saves. now I ahve 20 boyz, so fearless, but I loss combat by 5 wounds. So I take 5 more wounds because I am fearless and stay in combat. Right?

Serder wrote:
I have 30 boyz asssault 10 death company, I do 5 wounds while he does 10 wounds. I do my saves. now I ahve 20 boyz, so fearless, but I loss combat by 5 wounds. So I take 5 more wounds because I am fearless and stay in combat. Right?

Yes

20 boyz do 5 wounds those aren't boyz they are gretchin

It's dat cheatin' Power Armour. If doze 'umies was proppa Orks, dey'd be up fer a propa fight.

Lets say, for example, that player A is adamant that re-re-rolling bosspoles is the way to go... How could player B mitgate this or suggest a compromise that lets player A 'bend' this rule without breaking the game? Any ideas?

I can't think of one.

A Ld7 morale test has a 21/36 (=7/12) chance of passing; a bit over 50%. A single re-roll on that Ld7 test improves the chances to well over 3/4 to pass. Allowing a SECOND re-roll makes that more 1/9 or 1/10 chance of failure. It's really pretty excessive.

The rulebook is perfectly clear that you can't re-roll a re-roll.

Roll off. Do that the first time it comes up in the game, and however that comes out, do it that way the rest of the game. That is, if it's a friendly game. If it's a tournament, call the TO over.

But if it's a friendly game, does it really matter who ends up winning?

Anvildude wrote:Roll off. Do that the first time it comes up in the game, and however that comes out, do it that way the rest of the game. That is, if it's a friendly game. If it's a tournament, call the TO over.

But if it's a friendly game, does it really matter who ends up winning?

humm, yeah, bragging rights man, bragging rights.

Me and my friend, when we face off, the winner always brags about his victory until his next match, lol