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A friend of mine is a pretty veteran Tau player. He relies heavily on gun lines and if you get to close for comfort he packs into a devil fish. He also uses lots of fire warriors, and uses missiles on everything that can get at him. I have never been able to beat him and I cannot find any weaknesses in his army. Does anyone have any idea what to do?('');

Might be rare instance I'd suggest Buzzkoptas. Kommandos with Snikrot would also work. Outflank and ninja his behind, get him to shift. A very fast list may work so you can close in and negate how fast he hits you. And Power Klaws can rip those transports to pieces.

Food for thought.

Orks are one of the fastest armies out there. Just field fast stuff.

Deffkoptas, Buggies, Trukks, loaded Battlewagons, Bikers and Stormboyz will all ruin him. Get into close combat ASAP, and he can't win.

Power Klaws and KFF, like always.

If you field the right list, it's almost unfair.

Nob Bikers. Outside of fusion blasters and railguns, not much else to kill an entire unit of nob bikers.

digi laser wrote:Orks are one of the fastest armies out there. Just field fast stuff.

Deffkoptas, Buggies, Trukks, loaded Battlewagons, Bikers and Stormboyz will all ruin him. Get into close combat ASAP, and he can't win.

Power Klaws and KFF, like always.

If you field the right list, it's almost unfair.

+1
Deffkoptas and Buggies at Flat Out can take care of most of Tau

Also Snikrot and his commandos. A nasty surprise for Broadsides hanging back in a corner!

Hey Knox, it's me the "Tau Veteran Player" guy you were talking about. Now that you started this thread, I have to start a new one, too!

BTW, now I'm focused on fighting nids, but a battle can be arranged!

For the Greater Good! Peace Out!

Outflanking Kommandos, units of bikers and scout move charging solo Deffkoptas with T/L Rokkits and Buzzsaws will ruin his day.

killykavekommando wrote:Hey Knox, it's me the "Tau Veteran Player" guy you were talking about. Now that you started this thread, I have to start a new one, too!

BTW, now I'm focused on fighting nids, but a battle can be arranged!

For the Greater Good! Peace Out!

Well... this is awkward. You two will hit a stalemate now Best get used to it.

Hello, Ork barbarians! It's me the tau guy again! This isn't a stalemate because the battle always goes in the favor of the greater good! The weighted dice agree with me!

I thought thoes pulse rifles were suspicous

Just kidding! The dice aren't weighted! Mostly...

They are right in the thread mass speed units some infiltraitors and a well timmed waggggggggggh will get you in position but the rest is always the dice

I'd say buggies w/ red paint, def a KFF in a middle one (give all/ most of them a cover save) with bikes or koptas along one of the flanks, and maybe some lootas to knock out those Devilfishs before they can embark on em.

Hmm. Thank you for everyone who helped. This would make him think twice about where to shoot. BTW Killykavekommando it was a tie, had the game continued everything in your tanks ( your whole army basically) would have been decimated by a WAAAAAGH.

I have a tau playing brother, so I have most experience with tau.
He has some big guns and he usually deploys everything in the back and just sits there and waits.
What I do is field my 12 bike squad and first chance I get speed up and mow down his infantry. with 12 bikes hes got 36 shots coming at him. Even with a few casualties youll get in a helluva lot of shots and you can wipe out his guys. For tanks, ive got some tankbustas in a trukk as well as deffkoptas outflanking and my nobs in another trukk. this will make your guy need to choose a target, so by the time he takes out one trukk, the other is right on top of him. and even if both trukks end up getting wrecked, youre most likely within walking range.
Lastly, Ive got a nice looted wagon in the back so if anyone gets near I can shred it with its big gunz.

Most of the advice is speedy h2h, but I'll try to add a bit about why and how.
1. Scout move, AlphaStriking Deffkoptas, targeting in priority:
a. Railheads
b. Broadsides
c. Deathrain or FireKnives & other Crisis Suits.

With the Buzz/power claws, they ought to guarantee a downed tank or two, and certainly eat a suit or two. I'd have 3 pairs, to cripple his Railheads and tie- up his suits. Not too large to over-kill a suit unit, and not too large to be a large loss when they get shot to pieces after assaulting tanks, but just large enough to ensure at least a Shaken railhead. Remember to shoot Rockets before the assault!

2. Kommandos! Like 3 units. They need not be kitted out too well, nor large (for the above mentioned reasons), as any h2h will go in your favor. It forces him off the back edge toward your main force. Pincher maneuver.

3. Biker Nobs with Wound Allocation Shenanigans? I don't know enough about them (from your Point-of-View), but I've seen them eat into an army's points in a serious way, but I think the first two items will fit well with either Kan Walls, BW-Ghazkhull/KFF or general trukker lists.

It could be helpful to see his list and what you've got to help 'tailor' some advice.

Beat him ork-style

With a powerklaw.

Massed Greentide or trukk/bw rush, biker-rush (cover saves help a lot) or give him a good dose of Kommando

If you can get into CC with him fast it really limits his ability to shoot you

Thanks I understand that my list wasn't nearly fast enough. However even if I did have a faster list he would just end up in his tanks faster. My problems weren't with him mowing down my infantry, he got my Shock-attack gun, Ghazkull Thraka (who seriously needs some special ability attached to his Klaw), he would have gotten my BW if I wasn't so defensive of it. So I think I need to get him in the back with Snikrot.

His tanks aren't that great either, and are not fast. You should be able to outstrip him and PK the tanks down (rear armour is only 10, and that's what you're caving in in CC) with a fast trukk full of boyz with a pk nob.

Try putting a KFF mek in a battlewagon, put two others within 6' of the hull and deffrolla the field

Flechette dischargers are annoying. You could try Tankbustas if he's overfond of livin....i mean getting in vehicles..

Frankly Tau are a vehicle army with decent gunlines. They suck in CC, and like to hide in flying reeboks with thrusters..

2L rokkit Deffcoptas coming out of no-where can also ruin his day if you go first..

Turboboost scout move for 3+ cover and then rokkit ..

Why not beat his gunline with your own? Take a crap ton of luttaz and shoot him to death, or try battlewagons with burna boys and burn them all or power weapon them to death, or a battlewagon with mega Armoured nobz?

Riddick40k wrote:Why not beat his gunline with your own? Take a crap ton of luttaz and shoot him to death, or try battlewagons with burna boys and burn them all or power weapon them to death, or a battlewagon with mega Armoured nobz?

Oh man I forgot about Lootas. Seriously, take like a billion of em for Tau, they ignore tau armor saves and have 7 shots with D3 shots. Its freekin awesome.

They can chew right through tanks too, if you roll good.

They can even glance av 13.

Downside to lootas is that they're horribly vulnerable to pieplates, as they have sucky armour. Nonetheless, they will make a mulch of light armour (ie non-marine ) and light vehicles..

Ascalam wrote:They can chew right through tanks too, if you roll good.

They can even glance av 13.

Downside to lootas is that they're horribly vulnerable to pieplates, as they have sucky armour. Nonetheless, they will make a mulch of light armour (ie non-marine ) and light vehicles..

With Meks especially.

Loota advice? No-no, guys. IG can out-shoot tau, Lootas can't. Not with BS2 and the d3 variability in shots.

As the first set of posters stated, speedy h2h and Outflankers. This exploits tau h2h weakness and plays to green-skin strength.

Lootas are packing up to 15 d3 shot autocannon with 48'' range per unit. The can spam shots very well, even allowing for crappy BS.

Even with BS 2 they can outshoot tau. I do so a fair bit. They outrange the gunlines, and can shred the suits and Devilfish from range.

I prefer the rush assault method, but lootas can put severe hurt on the Tau.

More lootas make sense. What is the optimum unit size is?

I'm going to agree with lootas and Kommandos + Snikrot.

I'd say grab 2 squads of Lootas and then the Kommandos for your 3 elite slots.

Brothererekose wrote:Loota advice? No-no, guys. IG can out-shoot tau, Lootas can't. Not with BS2 and the d3 variability in shots.

As the first set of posters stated, speedy h2h and Outflankers. This exploits tau h2h weakness and plays to green-skin strength.

The Lootas take out troops easy. you get a hit and theyre basically down.

Jollydevil wrote:The Lootas take out troops easy. you get a hit and theyre basically down.

With AP4? Fire Warriors will be in Cover and Crisis Suits will be behind terrain or use their 3+ save.

Let's say the orks do average with max shots:
45 shots. 15 hit at BS2.
13 wound.
6.5 dead Fire Warriors. That's pretty good.
13 Saves on a 3 suit unit with 2 SDs, yields 4 failed saves. 1 dead Crisis Suit (2 wounds each) a dead drone and a wounded Suit. Not so Good. That's still 2 Crisis Suits functional.

Assuming the d3 yields x3 shots.

I'd rather tie 'em up in h2h with kommandos or bikes because they can' shoot back.