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I was wondering what most people would say about using different ariel bases for 40k. I am not a fan at all of the standard clear bases that comes with flying GW. How acceptable would it be for me to use 60mm bases for my Raiders and Ravagers, 40mm bases for my jetbikes and either 25mm or 40mm bases for my hellions? I can't really see much wrong with the different raider, ravager and jetbike bases but some people may cry modelling to advantage for the hellions on 25mm bases because that is 10mm smaller than the standard hellion base.

Thanks,
Sum1

I agree with you. How does this sound? Use the clear bases but flock and paint them. Instead of clear stands use appropriate terrain and pin the models to it.

That'll remove the clear look you dislike and make your army way cooler than everyone else's!

If you don't like the flatness of the bases(i certainly don't), then see if anyone produces 'normal bases' of the correct sizes online. That or use plasticard sheet and a file to make your own bases of the correct diameter. That way they can look just like your infantry bases but they will also be the correct size.

Hope that helps. Peace out dude!

You'll definitely have people (not a lot, but enough) cry foul if you use smaller bases. I'd follow LostSoul's advice here; either flock or paint the wide part of the base, or cut plasticard to match the size exactly.

Thanks guys! Ill probably have to make my own. I already put basing on the clear bases I just really hate how poorly they stick to hills and stuff because they are flat.

Happy i could help!

I don't think it's a big deal for flyers. But then I could care less what base anyone uses if the model looks good. I'm using 60mm round bases for the bottoms of my necron destroyers when I finally get to them. For smaller flying bases I'd use the 40mm round ones since the regular 25mm round ones will prolly be too small and more likely to fall over.

I have zero qualms whatsoever with what the OP is proposing. I might even go one step up and use proper biker bases for Reavers.

I think you are clearly a cheater and I..errr....your opponent will always get the auto win.

Brother SRM wrote:I have zero qualms whatsoever with what the OP is proposing. I might even go one step up and use proper biker bases for Reavers.

I thought about this but I have seen some people do it and i dont like how it looks. I dont mind playing against people that do this but its a bit too different from what the standard is.

I was unable to find 35mm bases that look like GWs so I will likely just mount the hellions on 40mm bases.

@whalemusic360: You just dont want me stealin all the bases. lol

Actually, I think it's more of an advantage to have them on bigger than standard bases. Obviously it's pretty situational and depends on what the unit's trying to do, but I think there are more cases where a bigger base is better. For example, it extends assault range coming out of a transport.

I see where you are coming from with that but I wont run into that problem with hellions as they cannot go in a transport

I'm not super familiar with the DE codex. How do you come out of a Webway Portal? I assume you just move out of it as if it was a table edge, in which case you don't get an advantage there from the bigger base. If you deploy around it though and then move, like a transport, you get the same problem.

You move out of it in the same way as moving in from the table edge. So no advantage there. The only advantage I can think of is when being shot at by blast templates. You wont be able to get as many due to them being more spread out

Just change the unit coherency for them to 1.5 inches instead

@OP: legally, you can always mount the models on any base you feel like, so long as it's not smaller than the base required.

Although I think a 2 meter base is a bit overboard.

@Sam_TheRelentless - That is entirely false. If we're talking legality, the models MUST be mounted on the bases that they CAME WITH. You cannot mount an assault terminator on a 60mm base, you cannot have an entire squad of Death Company on 40mm bases, and you cannot make an extended scenic base for your Trygon and call that "legal".

Sam__theRelentless wrote:@OP: legally, you can always mount the models on any base you feel like, so long as it's not smaller than the base required.

That was last edition.

This edition, anything other than the base supplied with the model requires your opponent's permission.

Okay, apologies.

How do you check which edition your rulebook is?

insaniak wrote:

Sam__theRelentless wrote:@OP: legally, you can always mount the models on any base you feel like, so long as it's not smaller than the base required.

That was last edition.

This edition, anything other than the base supplied with the model requires your opponent's permission.

Which is rather silly as a way of defining it. My Lemartes didnt come with a base, for instance. So I just can never use him then, rather then put a base on him. I'd rather see a guide in codex, on GWs site, white dwarf, whatever, defining what each units standard base size is. And yes, I do think older models should have to be rebased.

OT: We can make a house rule allowing it, so that covers like 80% of our games.

It's silly trying to use an obviously mispacked model to prove your point. The rule is in place to ensure a standard size base without forcing players to go back and rebase old models.

So this set then:

I can put the crisis suit on the small flying base? Would do nothing but help the tau player. SM Battleforce has 25mm bases in it, can I put the dreadnought from the box on one? Its dumb, and should be standardized. GW is all about making people spend more money, make them but new bases or new models. DS a 10 man termi squad on 25mm bases cuz there old into a spot they should mishap is crap, buy new bases or leave me alone.

The suit didn't come with the flying base, the drones did, same for the battleforce. Using old terminators is perfectly legal.

If I bought it in the same package from GW, it by definition came with it. It is not designed to go on it, but there is no way it didn't come with it.

25mm termis are perfectly legal, and totally unacceptable to me. It provides a huge advantage, and shows that you are not looking for the same thing from 40k that I am.


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Ewww when did this get moved to YMDC? When I feel like arguing in circles I'll come back, but I dont see this going any other way.

My question wasnt ever meant to deal with the legality of changing base sizes it was meant to ask people if they would care if someone did that.

whalemusic - so you penalise people for having old models?

Interesting.

Reminds me of a story about a redfaced guy yelling at a clueless ork player for modeling his crappy looking trukks for advantage. Until he found out, that those were actual GW models and his opponent hadn't played for some years.

nosferatu1001 wrote:whalemusic - so you penalise people for having old models?

Interesting.

No, he doesn't. I had to use jetbikes with large ariel bases before I got the new ones and he didn't care. He is saying that some people we know play with all old models because it gives them an advantage in gaming. One guy we played against used all old models that were very poorly painted (as in dipped in house paint and set out to dry) just for the ease of hiding them behind cover

People will always model for advantage or try to find someway to loophole their way to victory. If you run into them, don't play with them again.

For your bases question, check with your opponent but if you are doing it for 'the rule of cool' and not advantage, only an ass would raise a stink about it. It might not fly in tourney play, though.

Old models are perfectly legal, maybe a little unfair but legal nonetheless. If I run old dreadnaughts with their square bases that shipped with them, i am not in the wrong.

-cgmckenzie

If I bought it in the same package from GW, it by definition came with it. It is not designed to go on it, but there is no way it didn't come with it.

Please reread the rule in question. It does not matter what bases came in the package, but what base was supplied for the model. You can't place the Crisis Suit on the flying base in your example even if it did come in the same package because it was supplied for the drones, not the suit.

So what if you DON'T get a base supplied? Does this mean that we just sort of have to guess our way along the modelling?

There should be a standardized set of rules detailing bases, as in exactly which models use which bases.