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whalemusic360 wrote:If I bought it in the same package from GW, it by definition came with it.

Which isn't the same as the model being supplied with it, which is what the rules actually call for. Whichever other bases come in the same box, the model is supplied with a specific base.

25mm termis are perfectly legal, and totally unacceptable to me. It provides a huge advantage, and shows that you are not looking for the same thing from 40k that I am.

How about if they're not based like that for an advantage? Inserting motives into other people's actions based on your own misperceptions is doomed to failure.

Besides which, while it does provide some minor advantages, there's a bit of swings and roundabouts going on that evens it out. Like reduced coherency distance and smaller grouping when deep striking making them more vulnerable to blasts and templates, just for starters.

Ewww when did this get moved to YMDC?

Pretty much immediately after being posted, on account of being a rules question.


Seriously, though, people build the whole basing issue up into a bigger problem than it really is. Base your models on whatever you like, and unless it's obviously abusive or strange (like, say, putting grots on 60mm bases, or basing your vehicles on elongated bases to abuse the movement rules) the vast majority of players will neither notice nor care. Moving up or down a size has minimal impact on the actual game.

So what if you DON'T get a base supplied?

See my first post in this subject about mispacks. It is really quite simple to figure out what base (if any) a model is supposed to be sippolied with.

I find that in most armies, the special/upgrade and newer hq choices all use the termie sized base,w hilst older models like the farseer use the old size still lol

eldanesh2011 wrote:I find that in most armies, the special/upgrade and newer hq choices all use the termie sized base,w hilst older models like the farseer use the old size still lol

Not sure where you're getting that from, but it's not actually true. Anything smaller than a Terminator is generally still coming with a 25mm base.

characters like snikrot for orks, zaggstrukk, warboss, big mek, ahriman, skulltaker etc etc

See my point, how eldar have no big based models

Orks are big models though, Eldar are not. Plus the Orks have had their characters on 40mm bases since their release in 3rd edition. Eldar have been updated since then as have Imperial Guard. None of their characters are on 40mm bases. It's because a 40mm base is not appropriate for them, not because they're 'older' models or rules.

Ghaz wrote:

So what if you DON'T get a base supplied?

See my first post in this subject about mispacks. It is really quite simple to figure out what base (if any) a model is supposed to be sippolied with.

Not really. Who's telling you?

Especially if it isn't a mispack, but the model doesn't actually come with the base...

It's easy to tell by looking at other blisters on the shelf, or photos of the model online.

Not only that, I'm sure that their are more than a few posters on Dakka who could tell you what size base every model ever produced by GW was supplied with.

Still trying to use a mispack to support your arguments is silly. There is no reason that you can't figure out what size base the model was supposed to be supplied with.

Okay, problem solved. Wait, who was using a mispack to support their argument?

I remember in a different thread, I asked what size base my Attack Bike needs, and it didn't come with a base at all. Not a mispack, but the model doesn't actually come with it. In this case, of course I found out that it should be mounted on a 60mm... What do you do if you are a TO, for example, and there's no absolute ruling on the base size, for less-used models more often. I am willing to accept Dakka's answer, but will it always be the same as GW's?

Sam__theRelentless wrote:I remember in a different thread, I asked what size base my Attack Bike needs, and it didn't come with a base at all. Not a mispack, but the model doesn't actually come with it. In this case, of course I found out that it should be mounted on a 60mm...

A 60mm would be appropriate... but there is no 'should be' in this case since, as you say, it isn't supplied with a base in the first place. The attack bike has always been one of those little 'fall through the cracks' pieces, since the rules have always (well, since 3rd edition) assumed it to have a base, but it's never had one.

What do you do if you are a TO, for example, and there's no absolute ruling on the base size, for less-used models more often.

I would tell people to use whatever size looks appropriate for the model. Which is what happens the vast majority of the time in actual practice.

I am willing to accept Dakka's answer, but will it always be the same as GW's?

No. But it doesn't really need to be.

Just to continue the topic I have recently bought a cadian command squad and want to rebase some of the models onto bigger bases so that i can make more dramatic company command squad that my platoon command do you think i will still be able to use them in games as you are not meant to change the bases but this is to bigger bases and as a command squad they aren't likely to be traveling through difficult terrain. Also i was going to put them all together on my home made movement trays anyway.

It's really down to the people you are playing with. If you're playing with a regular group, discuss it with them before you do it, to make sure they have no problem with it.

If you're playing at a store, run it pas whoever generally winds up adjudicating games (if there is such a person).


If you're looking to put them into custm movement trays anyway, though, why not just leave them on the original bases? You have the movement tray to use for the extra space needed to set your dramatic scene...

insaniak wrote:

Sam__theRelentless wrote:I remember in a different thread, I asked what size base my Attack Bike needs, and it didn't come with a base at all. Not a mispack, but the model doesn't actually come with it. In this case, of course I found out that it should be mounted on a 60mm...

A 60mm would be appropriate... but there is no 'should be' in this case since, as you say, it isn't supplied with a base in the first place. The attack bike has always been one of those little 'fall through the cracks' pieces, since the rules have always (well, since 3rd edition) assumed it to have a base, but it's never had one.

What do you do if you are a TO, for example, and there's no absolute ruling on the base size, for less-used models more often.

I would tell people to use whatever size looks appropriate for the model. Which is what happens the vast majority of the time in actual practice.

I am willing to accept Dakka's answer, but will it always be the same as GW's?

No. But it doesn't really need to be.

Okay, seems a lot clearer to me now. So, technically, an opponent/TO can't tell me off if I don't have a based Attack Bike , but they have every right to if I haven't based my standard SM bikes (because they come with bases)?

Pretty much

However rule of cool usually kicks in. If it looks awesome, very few people will have a problem.

Sam__theRelentless wrote:...but they have every right to if I haven't based my standard SM bikes (because they come with bases)?

They do now, and have off and on in the past, but haven't always. So no, you would generally get away with unbased bikes as well, although it's easier if they have them.