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After reading some Space Wolves background, and seen them fight, I wonder: as they favour close combat, they're blood-thirsty warriors, they're the only loyalist SM (AFAIK) that use chainaxes... how easy could be for them to fall in Khorne's worship? They're truly the type of warrior that would worship him IMO. What do you think about this?

They apparently or at least are implied to have a resistance to chaos in built from the canis helix. Also their upbringing on Fenris doesn't make it any easier.
At any rate they have had some turn traitor like all other chapters (barring GK) and i think they went khornate but I'm not sure.

Not so easy as according to fluff, SW have a strange and remarkable resistance to mutation and corruption. It may be a combination of genetic and culutal shield. I'm not saying it is impossible but at least in fluff the only stance in which a Wolf has turned renegade (not traitor) is the Red Corsairs incident described in Codex Chaos Marines.

If you think with the same reasoning it is strange that some Blood Angels at least haven't converted to Chaos Worship considering their bloodlust. I think in both cases it is a matter of plot armour more than any other thing.

They seem easy to turn but both the BA and the SW have something protecting them which is awfully convenient...

Probably less likely than most other Space Marines to be honest and I don't just say that as a Space Wolves player.

Space Wolves DO NOT favour close combat and are not notably blood thirsty (two traits which are more akin to BA), furthermore I haven't heard of them particularly using Chain Axes (just normal axes) which aren't linked to Khorne but to the World Eaters.
The Space Wolves are staunchly loyal to the Emperor (and Russ), but not to the Imperium itself. A large number of (Pre-heresy) Space Wolves have remained in the EoT without turning to Chaos and I've never heard of Space Wolves turning Chaos in any large quantity.

I'd argue the Space Wolves to be more loyal than most Space Marine chapters; due to their loyalty to humanity and the Emperor, as well as their stubbornness and history within the Imperium and Space Marine legacy.
The Space Wolves aren't exactly bloodthirsty, but are more aggressive and unyielding; they would destroy the enemy through unorthodox and merciless methods, but they're not exactly bloodthirsty IMHO.

The only reason I could see for Space Wolves being likely to turn to Khorne would be the martial skill aspect.

That was my thnking.

BA and SW both are completely as no-Khorne as all other spaaz mahriinz. Even Flesh Tearers and Knights of Blood arent Khornate.

The 13th Great Company was one of the original Great Companies of the Space Wolves Legion. The Great Company disappeared during the Horus Heresy, only to re-emerge 10,000 years later from the Eye of Terror during the 13th Black Crusade still loyal to the Emperor

The Iron Hand will turn but not to Choas, but to the C'tan
The Black Rage is one step from turning to Khorn, so the Flesh Tearers and BA's ??

I doubt the Iron Hands will turn to the C'tan...
They aren't stupid.
The Black Rage isn't the same as Khorne worship... in fact those under the effects of it think they are Sanguinius in his final moments of life.

The Black Rage isnt. Its an anger, devoted to Sanguinius entirely, not to Khorne..

The Black Rage is a powerful Psychic hallucination, it involves the sufferer to thinking they are Sanguinus fighting Horus, those in The Death Company are in a literal fit of loyalty. Those affected by The Red Thirst are entirely different however.

thenoobbomb wrote:The Black Rage isnt. Its an anger, devoted to Sanguinius entirely, not to Khorne..

This may be your interpretation but as Iproxtaco has said it is not what the Black Rage is in fluff

BluntmanDC wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:The Black Rage isnt. Its an anger, devoted to Sanguinius entirely, not to Khorne..

This may be your interpretation but as Iproxtaco has said it is not what the Black Rage is in fluff

I'm pretty sure the Black Rage background has never been changed. The marines are overcome with memories from Sanguinius's final battle and believe they are fighting minions of Horus

If you have read the space wolves omnibus you would know about the whole trail of the gates of M........ something. Where the bloodclaws are tested to see how strong there will are and if they show corruption they are killed. So i say it is rare that space wolves turn traitor.

in older chaos codex there were pics of both Blood Angels and Space Wolves who had turned traitor, notable to the red corsairs.

paint scheme was standard paint scheme for their legion with red X's over their legions emblems and any imperial iconography.

Not sure about khorne worship.

Space wolves are not immune to chaos, and most likely do not have any inherent extra mojo against it. In the 13th company army list it clearly stated that the large number of wulfen in the company was due to the effects of the warp reverting the space wolves to a more primal state. So straight up being mutated they really have no extra power against. Turning to worship, maybe.

The most recent Chaos Space Marine codex describes the fall of the Space Wolf strike cruiser "Wolf of Fenris" to renegades within the Space Wolves who mutinied and helped hand the ship over to the renegade Astral Claws.

There's a picture on pg. 24 of the same Chaos codex of "Skyrar's Black Wolves," first sighted in the Fenris sector, with the caption "close combat specialists."

If they were gonna go mono-god instead of Chaos Undivided, I'd suspect renegade Wolves would favor Khorne over the other Chaos gods, eh?

Commissar Molotov wrote:The most recent Chaos Space Marine codex describes the fall of the Space Wolf strike cruiser "Wolf of Fenris" to renegades within the Space Wolves who mutinied and helped hand the ship over to the renegade Astral Claws.

There's a picture on pg. 24 of the same Chaos codex of "Skyrar's Black Wolves," first sighted in the Fenris sector, with the caption "close combat specialists."

If they were gonna go mono-god instead of Chaos Undivided, I'd suspect renegade Wolves would favor Khorne over the other Chaos gods, eh?

Wrong.

There were survivors within the Strike Cruiser who towards the end of the fighting turned it over to the Red Corsairs rather than die.

Just Dave wrote:Probably less likely than most other Space Marines to be honest and I don't just say that as a Space Wolves player.

Space Wolves DO NOT favour close combat and are not notably blood thirsty (two traits which are more akin to BA), furthermore I haven't heard of them particularly using Chain Axes (just normal axes) which aren't linked to Khorne but to the World Eaters.

Exactly. Assuming that Space Wolves are bloodthirsty savages shows ignorance into their fluff. I imagine Blood Angels would succumb to Khorne much easier, but even then it would be a rare occurrence.

From official fluff they (SW) sound less likely to fall to Chaos but it sounds like every Chapter but the Greys have people fall. If anything I would peg them for Khornates. If you want a example of the SW as Khornates look up the Dornian Heresy stuff on B&C. It's pretty bloody cool. Hah, see what I did there. Bloody...har har...

blaktoof wrote:

Space wolves are not immune to chaos, and most likely do not have any inherent extra mojo against it. In the 13th company army list it clearly stated that the large number of wulfen in the company was due to the effects of the warp reverting the space wolves to a more primal state. So straight up being mutated they really have no extra power against. Turning to worship, maybe.

This is incorrect, the 13th company are all marked with the Wulfen Curse (that was why they were put in the 13th company). They all will turn to wulfen at some point, but many have been able to control it. In the Eye of Terror codex it 'CLEARLY' states that the reason why the 13th company has managed to survive in the warp so long untainted by chaos (being wulfen isn't a chaos mutation) is due to the fact that they have the Wulfen Curse.

ZeFelix42 wrote:From official fluff they (SW) sound less likely to fall to Chaos but it sounds like every Chapter but the Greys have people fall. If anything I would peg them for Khornates. If you want a example of the SW as Khornates look up the Dornian Heresy stuff on B&C. It's pretty bloody cool. Hah, see what I did there. Bloody...har har...

I think example is a bad choice of words for the 40k background thread, interpretation would be clearer seeing as the Dorian Heresy is not cannon.

BluntmanDC wrote:

blaktoof wrote:

Space wolves are not immune to chaos, and most likely do not have any inherent extra mojo against it. In the 13th company army list it clearly stated that the large number of wulfen in the company was due to the effects of the warp reverting the space wolves to a more primal state. So straight up being mutated they really have no extra power against. Turning to worship, maybe.

This is incorrect, the 13th company are all marked with the Wulfen Curse (that was why they were put in the 13th company). They all will turn to wulfen at some point, but many have been able to control it. In the Eye of Terror codex it 'CLEARLY' states that the reason why the 13th company has managed to survive in the warp so long untainted by chaos (being wulfen isn't a chaos mutation) is due to the fact that they have the Wulfen Curse.

The Wulfen curse is inherant in all SW so they all get some measure of extra protection that other SM don't get against Chaos...
Considering the Emperor's knowledge of Chaos and the SWs implied purpose might this have been on purpose rather than a fault?

It's a fault, else we would have done it with the other chapters and excluded the gene-flaws of the others.

iproxtaco wrote:It's a fault, else we would have done it with the other chapters and excluded the gene-flaws of the others.

Fair enough... we?

Kanluwen wrote:

Commissar Molotov wrote:The most recent Chaos Space Marine codex describes the fall of the Space Wolf strike cruiser "Wolf of Fenris" to renegades within the Space Wolves who mutinied and helped hand the ship over to the renegade Astral Claws.

There's a picture on pg. 24 of the same Chaos codex of "Skyrar's Black Wolves," first sighted in the Fenris sector, with the caption "close combat specialists."

If they were gonna go mono-god instead of Chaos Undivided, I'd suspect renegade Wolves would favor Khorne over the other Chaos gods, eh?

Wrong.

There were survivors within the Strike Cruiser who towards the end of the fighting turned it over to the Red Corsairs rather than die.

...Except that it mentions renegades seizing the engine decks pretty early in that section.

purplefood wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:It's a fault, else we would have done it with the other chapters and excluded the gene-flaws of the others.

Fair enough... we?

My bad, I meant "he", referring to The Emperor.

iproxtaco wrote:

purplefood wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:It's a fault, else we would have done it with the other chapters and excluded the gene-flaws of the others.

Fair enough... we?

My bad, I meant "he", referring to The Emperor.

Ahh right.

Per the Ragnar Saga, Space Wolf initiates undergo a special ritual within the Fang that involves a very powerful artifact IIRC (kinda reminds me of the testings that Aes Sedias under go in the Wheel of Time series). The rituals place the member in several situations where he is tempted by the lure of choas, amoungst other things. Those who are weak of will either lose thier minds or are killed in the process. The ritual serves as a sorting ground for the SW which is likely another reason why few SW marines succumb to chaos's lure.

Commissar Molotov wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Commissar Molotov wrote:The most recent Chaos Space Marine codex describes the fall of the Space Wolf strike cruiser "Wolf of Fenris" to renegades within the Space Wolves who mutinied and helped hand the ship over to the renegade Astral Claws.

There's a picture on pg. 24 of the same Chaos codex of "Skyrar's Black Wolves," first sighted in the Fenris sector, with the caption "close combat specialists."

If they were gonna go mono-god instead of Chaos Undivided, I'd suspect renegade Wolves would favor Khorne over the other Chaos gods, eh?

Wrong.

There were survivors within the Strike Cruiser who towards the end of the fighting turned it over to the Red Corsairs rather than die.

...Except that it mentions renegades seizing the engine decks pretty early in that section.

...And what do you think the Red Corsairs are?

Read the part about "The Initial Assault". Namely, who the boarding torpedoes belong to. And if you read the ending portion of it "Huron's warriors were in complete control of the aft section of the Wolf of Fenris".

What would Khorne have to offer to a spacewolf?

Erm, the same thing that Chaos offers every other person who would be tempted to join them. Power and faith.