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Ok, I'll get to it.

My friend thinks he can put Termies in Drop Pods because in the Termie armour paragraph it doesn't say
"May not embark in drop pods"

I've pointed out the bit saying they can only take Land Raiders and pointed out the bit saying they can only take what is listed in their dedicated transport section, but he keeps saying the same thing-

"It doesn't mention drop pods so surely I can!"
If no time to comment at least vote-am I going mad???? PLEASE PROVE ONE OF US WRONG, WARGAMERS!

BTW, as it has caused some confusion, we are talking about vanilla marines, and entire squads, not attached characters

I think the real question is whether they can take them as dedicated transport, which in most cases the answer is no if I remember correctly. I think the only army that has termies with dedicated drop pods is Space Wolves.

All Drop Pods are bought as Dedicated Transports. They simply cannot be bought for any army any other way.

The only unit that can START the game within a Dedicated Transport, is the unit it was bought for.

Thus Terminators can't ever start the game in a Drop Pod as it is never bought as a Dedicated Transport for them (with the one exception of Space Wolf Wolf Guards).



EDIT. In a way he is right. Terminators are certainly not prevented from getting into a Drop Pod by virtue of being Terminators, but rather by virtue of the Reserve rules and the rules for Dedicated Transports.

Maybe the most relevant question after this is; Is he playing Space Wolves, and is he talking about Wolf Guard?



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Normal marines, and he knows you cant embark in them after they have arrived

Which one means yes?

biccat wrote:Which one means yes?

Yay...


(If I understand your reference then I now love you.)

DrownedRat117 wrote:

biccat wrote:Which one means yes?

Yay...


(If I understand your reference then I now love you.)

YAY!

(throws ear)

Edit: ok, got carried away. Actually, no, your opponent can't put terminators in drop pods. Because in order to be in a drop pod you must start the game in the drop pod. Since you can only take drop pods as dedicated transports (for non-terminators), there is no way for a terminator unit to be in a drop pod.

However, don't terminators have the ability to teleport into battle? Or is that only Chaos terminators?

biccat wrote:

DrownedRat117 wrote:

biccat wrote:Which one means yes?

Yay...


(If I understand your reference then I now love you.)

YAY!

(throws ear)

yeah, with wolf guard he can have termies in DP since they can take DP as a dedicated transport, but with normal marines it can't work since he can't take termies in the DP since all dedicated transports can only have their dedicated unit within them at the START of the game.

why does he want termies in DP, he can deep strike them anyway, i guess there isn't any DS issues with a DP.

Terminators usually can arrive via teleport(deepstriking).

Drop Pods are always bought as dedicated transports, so you may not buy them and put any other unit in them other than the unit you bought them for.

Space Wolf Terminators are afraid of teleporting and may use Drop Pods instead. They are the only Terminator unit I'm aware of that can do this. Regular Space Marines and Dark Angels definitively can not.

edit: Correction, Black Templars may buy Drop Pods for about anything, due to different "Drop Pod Assault"-rule.

DrownedRat117 wrote:Normal marines, and he knows you cant embark in them after they have arrived

Does he also know, and acknowledge, that the only unit that can start the game inside a Dedicated Transport, is the unit the transport is bought for?

I honestly don't know where his minds is at.

Black Templars may also put Terminators in Drop Pods.

Models in Terminator armor are not prohibited from riding in a Drop Pod. You can say, attach a Terminator Librarian to a squad of Assault Marines in a Drop Pod.

For C:SM, Terminator Squads and Assault Terminator squads can't buy a Drop Pod, so they won't be able to use one. This has nothing to do with the fact they're in Terminator armor, though.

I voted with the correct answer(as explained earlier; Drop pods are dedicated transports, DTs can only transport the unit that purchased them when deploying, Deepstriking is itself deploying as defined on page 95 of the BRB. Also the rules for preparing reserves on page 94, of the BRB, last sentence of the 4th paragraph reiterate this).

Now that said there are 2 ways to get any termies in a Drop Pod:

1)Play SWs; Wolf guard can all be in Termie armor(or partially), and can take a Drop Pod. Also BT.

2)An IC in Termie armor can be placed in a Drop pod along with the unit that purchased said drop pod, but cannot be placed there alone.

A terminator cannot embark on a drop pod. Not because he is in terminator armor, but because drop pods never give them the opportunity to do so. They are dedicated transports and enter the game from reserves. Between the rules for dedicated transports (only the unit it was bought for may enter the game embarked on it) and the nature of drop pods (enter the game, dump their cargo, then just sit there) they can't ever get into a drop pod.

The only exceptions to this I can think of are Space Wolves and running an IC in terminator armor with a unit that can ride in a drop pod (keeping in mind that the terminator armor makes the IC count as 2 models).

Isn't it cheaper to just teleport them in anyways? thow a teleport homer/beacon on a scout or a drop pod and teleport them in without a misshap? I don't play C:SM so I'm not 100% sure.

My point is that Termies cannot select a drop pod as a Dedicated Transport because it's not in their Dedicated Transport section. One squad can take a Land Raider and that is all!

1.) This didn't need to have AN ALL CAPS TITLE, in my opinion.

2.) The real problem here is that your friend, wrongly, thinks 40k has a permissive ruleset, i.e. you can do whatever you want in the absence of a rule saying you can't. Even a moments consideration would reveal that is ludicrous, and would lead to, say, Terminators taking bikes. Can you show me a rule that says I can't do that?

40K is a restrictive ruleset. You can't unless you can find a rule saying you can. It's the only way to play.

3.) That being said, a squad of Terminators may not take a drop pod because they never have an opportunity to, as others have said. However, an attached IC in terminator armor may, in my opinion, be in the drop pod, counting as 2 slots. To be specific, I think the fact it allows for 12 slots is specifically to allow this - can you think of any squad in Codex: Space Marines that can get a Drop Pod and have 12 members?

Any 10-man squad with 2 ICs attached?

Ouze wrote:2.) The real problem here is that your friend, wrongly, thinks 40k has a permissive ruleset, i.e. you can do whatever you want in the absence of a rule saying you can't. Even a moments consideration would reveal that is ludicrous, and would lead to, say, Terminators taking bikes. Can you show me a rule that says I can't do that?

Actually i can. In Space Wolves, but probably in some other codexs, but Space Wolves springs to mind first, under mounts, it says you may not take a bike if you are in terminator armour.


And i can not believe 14 people said yay...

Ouze wrote:1.) This didn't need to have AN ALL CAPS TITLE, in my opinion.

2.) The real problem here is that your friend, wrongly, thinks 40k has a permissive ruleset, i.e. you can do whatever you want in the absence of a rule saying you can't. Even a moments consideration would reveal that is ludicrous, and would lead to, say, Terminators taking bikes. Can you show me a rule that says I can't do that?

40K is a restrictive ruleset. You can't unless you can find a rule saying you can. It's the only way to play.

3.) That being said, a squad of Terminators may not take a drop pod because they never have an opportunity to, as others have said. However, an attached IC in terminator armor may, in my opinion, be in the drop pod, counting as 2 slots. To be specific, I think the fact it allows for 12 slots is specifically to allow this - can you think of any squad in Codex: Space Marines that can get a Drop Pod and have 12 members?

You mixed up permissive and restrictive

A restrictive rules set is one that allows everything unless restricted.

Sabet wrote:And i can not believe 14 people said yay...

I would suspect that 14 people said Yay because Terminators are allowed in Drop Pods.

Terminator squads simply can't select them as a transport in most of the current codexes, which means that it will only matter for ICs.

Sabet wrote:And i can not believe 14 people said yay...

The question asked if Terminators can ride in Drop Pods, and that answer is yes. Just like how models in Terminator armor can ride in Chimeras, Storm Ravens, Caestus Rams, Devilfish, Wave Serpents, and Stormlords, to name a few. The only transports they can't ride in are Rhinos and Razorbacks, afaik.

Terminator Squads can't ride in a Drop Pod, but that's due to the limited availability of a Drop Pod, not something inherent to Terminator armor.

According to this poll, 27% of people are imbeciles with no idea how to play 40k.

Seriously, who voted yay...

Seriously, look at the 2 posts above yours.

And I play Space Wolves, so as far as I am concerned it's a resounding "yay" rather than a theoretical one.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Sabet wrote:And i can not believe 14 people said yay...

The question asked if Terminators can ride in Drop Pods, and that answer is yes. Just like how models in Terminator armor can ride in Chimeras, Storm Ravens, Caestus Rams, Devilfish, Wave Serpents, and Stormlords, to name a few. The only transports they can't ride in are Rhinos and Razorbacks, afaik.

Terminator Squads can't ride in a Drop Pod, but that's due to the limited availability of a Drop Pod, not something inherent to Terminator armor.

While this is a well-made point; they still answered "Yay" to an entirely different question.

The question does not ask if ICs in termie-Armor may ride in a drop pod with another unit. It asks if termie units can have drop pods.

This is why a poll has no place in a rules discussion, unless the question is "how would you play it?".

Kommissar Kel wrote:The question does not ask if ICs in termie-Armor may ride in a drop pod with another unit. It asks if termie units can have drop pods.

He doesn't mention squads at any point in the OP.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:The question does not ask if ICs in termie-Armor may ride in a drop pod with another unit. It asks if termie units can have drop pods.

He doesn't mention squads at any point in the OP.

I think you're supposed to infer it from his mention of edicated Transports. But given that he doesn' mention army type (SM, SW, etc) and doesn't actually say unit, it is indeed a fairly ambiguous question and cannot be properly answered with the poll that was posted.
Yes, terminators may ride in Drop pods.
Yes, terminator units can take drop pods as a dedicated transport, depending on codex
No, terminator units may not take drop pods as a dedicated transport, depending on codex.

All of these answers are correct and as noted, polls have no place in a rules discusiion.