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I know that dennouceing the Big E is a no-no and giveing your soul tot he chaos Gods but where is the line darwn from ok to heretical thought an action.

A) If normal Joe who lives on a hive world works a normal job has a family and all but when hes got time to kill he workships a Chaos God but dose not dennouce the big E..... heretic or non

B)Space Marines or Guardsmen takeing iteams off of the dead chaos Space marines/deamons as spoils of conquest.....herrtical or no

C) random Guardsmen Billy just dosent believe in the Big E he wont dennounce him or openly say it but deep down he just dosent have 100% for the Big E...Heretic or no

D) Traitor Guardsmen like to the Tau who still worship the Big E but hold there service to the Tau Empire...Heretics or no

on a side question what happens if your braneded a heretic is it possible to repent or dose the Inqustion just send them to the stake like the spanish inqustion

THANKS GUYS I HOPE YOU ALL CAN HELP

A)HERESY
B)HERESY
C)HERESY
D)HERESY

wow that bad huh?

Yes.

What IS heresy?

It's all around you
The Imperium realizes that Heresy is a serious matter that must be explained with great detail from the lowliest servant to the highest Commander. And so with the aid of the most wise Inquisition and holy Ecclasiarchy, they have defined what is heresy in the eyes of our immortal God-Emperor:

EVERYTHING IS HERESY
EVERYTHING

EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT DONE THE EMPERORS NAME IS HERSEY!
HERSEY! GROWS FROM THIS THREAD!

A.This Thread Contains evidence of Witch Craft!
B. This Thread Contains Names of Evil!
C. This Thread is EVIL!
D. EXTERMINATUS!

A-D = Häresie

Mike101 wrote:


on a side question what happens if your braneded a heretic is it possible to repent or dose the Inqustion just send them to the stake like the spanish inqustion

They like barbecue....


But there is also the option of penitent engines, eternal servitor-dom, arco-flagellation, etc etc

A), B) and C) are heresy.

D) is felony (but in fact, you CAN'T still worship the God-Emperor, without serving him and his armies. So Heresy also.)


About repentance :

"A Heretic may see the truth and seek redemption. He may be forgiven his past and will be absolved in death. A Traitor can never be forgiven. A Traitor will never find peace in this world or the next. There is nothing as wretched or as hated in all the world as a Traitor."

- Cardinal Khrysdam, Instructum Absolutio

1. Heretic- only the emperor can be worshipped. The facts it's chaos makes it even worse.
2. It would have to be CSM or Renegade human equipment since daemons don't have anything to look. Ay trophies would disappear when the daemon died. For SMs it can be ok- depending on the chapter master's decision. Some chapters do look from CSMs others are against it. Definately not allowed for IGs. The items are considered corrupted. If the commissar is relaxed they would be allowed to hand in whatever they took and go. If not they would be killed to prevent the spread of chaos. They would probably get away with taking chaos weapons in the middlle of a battle as long as they didn't keep them.
3. Not really heresy. If caught they would be sent of to an imperial priest to be converted. He probably wouldn't be treated as a heretic unless he tried to persuade others to forget the emperor.
4. Not really a heretic since they still believe the emperor but the IoM doesn't allow people to work with aliens so they would be killled.

A)HERESY
B)HERESY
C)HERESY
D)HERESY

I concur, with some exceptions.
Some exceptions to B) can be found in fluff: guardsman, expecially veterans, sometimes make use of non-standard weaponry aquired from fallen enemies as a last resource or keep them as mementos or trophies, typically solid bullets or las side weapons, as in some Gaunt's Ghosts novels or even in the Imperial Infantryman Uplifting Primer. anyway, while taking a weapon from a rebel or even buying one on the black market are tolerated, even if frowned upon and potentially punishable by your friendly local commissar, taking one from an heretic is never a good idea: you could be tainted by them and no one wants to take the risk (I'm pretty sure there's a character in one G'sG book that accidentally picks up a lasgun from a dead cultist and is afraid to reveal it to his superiors for fear of being immediately executed), so it would probably result in being blammed.
Maybe some kind of trophy, like a horned helmet or a demon skull (has anyone finally decided if the spoils of their realspace manifestations disappear or not? Judging by the PAGK's models, I'd say no), probably purified or blessed by a priest or Apothecary or controlled by a Librarian could be part of some honour banner or victory monument, but I don't think it would be a good idea...
Anyway, if you are a guardsmen and have something to do with demons on the battlefield you are probably dead anyway, without heavy support, sanctioned psykers or GK (in which case you are dead all the same), so you have nothing to worry about trophies...
As for SM, some chapters (I'm looking at you, Relictors!), as well as some radical members of the Ordos, hoard and even actually research tainted artifacts to use against Chaos itself, but this usually ends in being corrupted or judged heretical by puritan Inquisitors and we all know how that tends to end.
What must be understood is that the Warp corrupts body and mind: the touch, the mere presence of its denizens. It may not be immediate, it may not even be in the short term, but the mere existence of something tainted by it is bound to spread the taint. And remember that not worshipping, but even just thinking about the Ruinous Powers is enough to feed them and give them more force. So A) is heresy anyway.
As for C), some people, even authorities, may doubt the divine identity of the Emperor (as most SM chapters do) or be lax about his worship, but noone can negate its power, as humanity only defence against the warp. That is heresy, which will be punished (but I think only puritans will kill you right away just for voicing a little doubt, without giving you an opportunity to redeem yourself (probably by dying in battle, that is)) if discovered.
About D), surely consorting with xenos may lead to being corrupted by their ideas or influenced and manipulated, so it's viewed as heretical, with the exception of forming temporary alliances (well, non-belligerance treaties) against a common threat. Or being a Rogue Trader with a Warrant of Trade. So serving them surely is a heresy, but I don't think one punishable with immediate death (probably life-long forced labor or induction in a penal legion, to give you time to appreciate the error of your ways), apart from Chaos tainted races, obviously. And, I suppose, only a very zealous political officer or a puritan Inquisitor would brand you a heretic for serving as a prisoner of DE or Orks...
As for punishement, I'd say chaos-related heresies are met with death sentences all the time (maybe preceded by torture to extract potentially useful infos. Or just for fun), while minor infractions (like minor traffiking with non-excedingly-dangerous xenos, like Eldar or Kroots, being lax in praying the Emperor or worshipping him in a way not authorised by your local sect of the Ministorum, as well as a miriad petty civilian or military infractions) are probably punished in not (immediately) deadly ways: incarceration, forced labor, reduction to servitor, arco-flagellation, being strapped to a penitent engine, induction in the guard/navy or even penal legions, suicide missions, flesh mortification and other forms of penance, even exile or penance crusades for Astartes.

The guy who does D is guilty of the Heresy "Consort with the Xeno". So... Heretic. Blam!

The guy who does C is not *yet* a Heretic. His faith can be kindled under appropriate, Ecclesiarchal instruction. If his faith cannot be found? Then he's a Heretic. Blam!

LastCameTheRaven wrote:

A)HERESY
B)HERESY
C)HERESY
D)HERESY

I concur, with some exceptions.
Some exceptions to B) can be found in fluff: guardsman, expecially veterans, sometimes make use of non-standard weaponry aquired from fallen enemies as a last resource or keep them as mementos or trophies, typically solid bullets or las side weapons, as in some Gaunt's Ghosts novels or even in the Imperial Infantryman Uplifting Primer. anyway, while taking a weapon from a rebel or even buying one on the black market are tolerated, even if frowned upon and potentially punishable by your friendly local commissar, taking one from an heretic is never a good idea: you could be tainted by them and no one wants to take the risk (I'm pretty sure there's a character in one G'sG book that accidentally picks up a lasgun from a dead cultist and is afraid to reveal it to his superiors for fear of being immediately executed), so it would probably result in being blammed.
Maybe some kind of trophy, like a horned helmet or a demon skull (has anyone finally decided if the spoils of their realspace manifestations disappear or not? Judging by the PAGK's models, I'd say no), probably purified or blessed by a priest or Apothecary or controlled by a Librarian could be part of some honour banner or victory monument, but I don't think it would be a good idea...
Anyway, if you are a guardsmen and have something to do with demons on the battlefield you are probably dead anyway, without heavy support, sanctioned psykers or GK (in which case you are dead all the same), so you have nothing to worry about trophies...
As for SM, some chapters (I'm looking at you, Relictors!), as well as some radical members of the Ordos, hoard and even actually research tainted artifacts to use against Chaos itself, but this usually ends in being corrupted or judged heretical by puritan Inquisitors and we all know how that tends to end.
What must be understood is that the Warp corrupts body and mind: the touch, the mere presence of its denizens. It may not be immediate, it may not even be in the short term, but the mere existence of something tainted by it is bound to spread the taint. And remember that not worshipping, but even just thinking about the Ruinous Powers is enough to feed them and give them more force. So A) is heresy anyway.
As for C), some people, even authorities, may doubt the divine identity of the Emperor (as most SM chapters do) or be lax about his worship, but noone can negate its power, as humanity only defence against the warp. That is heresy, which will be punished (but I think only puritans will kill you right away just for voicing a little doubt, without giving you an opportunity to redeem yourself (probably by dying in battle, that is)) if discovered.
About D), surely traffiking with xenos may lead to being corrupted by their ideas or influenced and manipulated, so it's viewed as heretical, with the exception of forming temporary alliances (well, non-belligerance treaties) against a common threat. Or being a Rogue Trader with a Warrant of Trade. So serving them surely is a heresy, but I don't think one punishable with immediate death (probably life-long forced labor or induction in a penal legion, to give you time to appreciate the error of your ways), apart from Chaos tainted races, obviously. And, I suppose, only a very zealous political officer or a puritan Inquisitor would brand you a heretic for serving as a prisoner of DE or Orks...
As for punishement, I'd say chaos-related heresies are met with death sentences all the time (maybe preceded by torture to extract potentially useful infos. Or just for fun), while minor infractions (like minor traffiking with non-excedingly-dangerous xenos, like Eldar or Kroots, being lax in praying the Emperor or worshipping him in a way not authorised by your local sect of the Ministorum, as well as a miriad petty civilian or military infractions) are probably punished in not (immediately) deadly ways: incarceration, forced labor, reduction to servitor, arco-flagellation, being strapped to a penitent engine, induction in the guard/navy or even penal legions, suicide missions, flesh mortification and other forms of penance, even exile or penance crusades for Astartes.

The Wall! Dare you face it?
This is a non-question. Everything is Heresy. Everything. Walking is Heresy, typing is Heresy, playing with tiny plastic men is Heresy, and the discussion of what is Heresy, whilst completely pointless as everything is Heresy, is Heresy.

The Wall! Dare you face it?
This is a non-question. Everything is Heresy. Everything. Walking is Heresy, typing is Heresy, playing with tiny plastic men is Heresy, and the discussion of what is Heresy, whilst completely pointless as everything is Heresy, is Heresy.

Heresy! The Wall is Heresy! Heresy is Heresy!

I think this thread needs one of these:

Dam dose this mean im goin to get draged away by the inquistion D: ..... i plead the 5th


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I wanted to ask is there like a Bible type book for worshiping the Big E or the chaos gods? An If there isnt how do the citizen and Guardsmen know how to worship or when or wat.. althought i know space marines are devoted in worship like monks so would they need assistance from a Chaplin or perist of some sort an do some chapters not lead monastic lifes in servce to the Emperor

The ecclesiarchy instructs the imperial citizens and save the souls of the believers.
Vile heretics like WB misguide the non-believers to follow the book of lorgar into damnation.

Maybe some of the readers of the S.o.B thread could help here?

The Imperial Creed exists in a thousand varieties and flavors throughout the Imperium, including in their worship all sorts of saints, local heroes, stellar and atmospheric phenomena, and pretty much whatever else you can imagine that people may decide to worship. Nature, plants, animals, the sun, the moon, and so forth.

The Ecclesiarchy, with the aid of the Inquisition, monitor these thousands of Imperial Cults for anything that strays too far off the accepted path of the Imperial Creed, either in action or imagery or what-have-you. There are copies of the Imperial Creed available for the lay-worshiper, though these will vary by region as to their specific contents and forms, based on the local cult, as well as availability (Feudal Worlds, for example, have very low instances of literacy amongst the populace).

Sometimes, religious wars erupt between factions of the Imperial Creed. Who was "right" is generally decided by who remains when the shooting stops.

Space Marines have Chaplains to monitor their actions and their religious devotions to the Emperor, but a SM does not generally *require* a Chaplain to make his observances.

The Ecclesiarchy (Adeptus Ministorum) has the final say on matters of faith. Surely they have lots of books, form lives of Imperial Saints to the theological and phylosopical treaties (expecially those written by Sebastian Thor).
Anyway, I doubt there is a single way to express faith in the Emperor: the ways (but not the contents) of worship depend from the sector, world or even the region, time and social part worshipping him: for example an agri-world could praise him as a simble of fecundity and abundance, with harvest celebrations or something like that, while a forge world will probably worship his tecnological expression, the Omnissiah (even if someone could tell the Omnissiah isn't exactly the Emperor); a shrine world will pray to thousands of different facets of the Emperor, each one with its own temple, shrine or sanctuary, or his manifestations (living saints), as well as his sons, the Primarchs and imperial saints and heroes. So there are probably a good numbers of books of faith and an unending variety of books abput different ways of worship.
SM, on the other end, usually (with few exceptions) don't worship the Emperor as a god, but as a father figure, a shining example of the power of umanity. Chaplains are more spirituals counsellors for the battle brothers, verifying their purity of mind and purpose and their faith in the protection and authority of the Emperor.

As for the Ruinous Powers, there is no single book, as there is no single (or reliable) way to obtain their favours: there are grimoires and black tomes (the Book of Magnus, the Necroteuch, the Malus Codicium and a good part of the Black Library, for example) depicting way to contact the entities of the warp, the major powers and their areas of influence, rituals to summon and bind demons, dark pacts and the like, but they are obviously well hidden and constantly hunted by the inquisition, the Eldar Harlequins and every type of power-hungry heretic.
Anyway, most of the less experienced cabals use second-hand information and usually have not a clue about what they are dabbling into, other than knowing the more evident axpects of the Power they are worshipping.
Sometimes, more experienced and infamously known heretics or "facilitators" will "assist" or even create certain more promising cults to use them for their own ends, giving them informations and teaching them rituals. Sometimes, anyway, the 'envoys' of one of the major powers will 'contact' some member of a cult themselves, feeding them informations, using them as their pawns and eventually possessing them or using them to spread their influence

Mike101 wrote:

on a side question what happens if your braneded a heretic is it possible to repent or dose the Inqustion just send them to the stake like the spanish inqustion

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NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!!!

NOBODY EXPECTS HE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!!!

The Inquisition - lets begin!
The Inquisition - look out! Sin!
We'll help you know wrong from right!
We'll make you see the light!
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse!
Confess - don't be boring!
The Inquisition - what a show!
The Inquisition - here we go!
We know you're wishing that we'd go away!
But the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay!

A) Heresy.
B) Not heresy, but stupid and dangerous.
C) Heresy.
D) Not heresy.

That's how I would interpret these things, but it's pretty much a given that any 'contemporary' Imperial would say all four things are heretical.

If you need to ask if something is heresy, it's heresy.

Asking what is heretical is heretical. Why aren't you beating a heathen or xeno to death with the butt of your lasgun? If you have time ask questions, you have time to meet my friend: Mr Bolt Pistol.

Wasting time in the Emperor's light to question the hereticalness (?) of certain acts is in itself a heresy.

Heresy, ... and if you're not sure purge it just incase...

It's a bit like 'if she's a witch her magic will deflect the bolter rounds for her head so we'll burn her, but if she dies then she goes on to the emperors reward...'

Mike101 wrote:I know that dennouceing the Big E is a no-no and giveing your soul tot he chaos Gods but where is the line darwn from ok to heretical thought an action.

A) If normal Joe who lives on a hive world works a normal job has a family and all but when hes got time to kill he workships a Chaos God but dose not dennouce the big E..... heretic or non

B)Space Marines or Guardsmen takeing iteams off of the dead chaos Space marines/deamons as spoils of conquest.....herrtical or no

C) random Guardsmen Billy just dosent believe in the Big E he wont dennounce him or openly say it but deep down he just dosent have 100% for the Big E...Heretic or no

D) Traitor Guardsmen like to the Tau who still worship the Big E but hold there service to the Tau Empire...Heretics or no

on a side question what happens if your braneded a heretic is it possible to repent or dose the Inqustion just send them to the stake like the spanish inqustion

A) Heresy. Emperor must be prasied - always. So that the prayed one can afford his protection against Chaos.
B) Not Heresy to use it in a time of great need ( even Darigo used Daemon sword to slain Daemon ). But it is Heresy to collect them and experiment with them, you know because having Daemon infested sword in the middle of your base is not the safest thing in the universe ( Relictors ).
C) There is only the Emperor... And that kind of Guardsman doesn't exist ( who don't believe in the Emperor as a divine being ), he can ask some question and be reeducated by either Commissars or Priest. If not than *BLAM* is all that he will recieve. So - HEresy it is.
D) Allying yourself with aliens who want's to conquer Humans and then use them as meat shields and experiments? In short - betraying your own race to aliens - EXTRA HERETICAL!!!

And I never heard of a Heretic that repented in life ( only death ). Only Space Marines ( Lamanters ), but they are an exception because they are Emperor's made flesh.

Yo dawg i heard you like heretics so i brought my flamer to roast yo heretic lovin ass while you repent.

A) Conflicting religions; to worship the Emperor is to reject Chaos to worship chaos is to reject the Emperor
b) Marines can do this with the Inquisitions blessing but a Guardsmen would be wise to check with his Commissar and have a priest cleanse it. Salvaging enemy loot its NOT heretical(exclude daemon weaponry) but it is frowned upon by and large. They allow it but it COULD get you flogged(but you get to keep it).
c) rejection of the Emperor is hersey.
d) Getting Commissar Fuklaw cause dat gak is Extra heretical.

Varrick wrote:
Yo dawg i heard you like heretics so i brought my flamer to roast yo heretic lovin ass while you repent.

A) Conflicting religions; to worship the Emperor is to reject Chaos to worship chaos is to reject the Emperor
b) Marines can do this with the Inquisitions blessing but a Guardsmen would be wise to check with his Commissar and have a priest cleanse it. Salvaging enemy loot its NOT heretical(exclude daemon weaponry) but it is frowned upon by and large. They allow it but it COULD get you flogged(but you get to keep it).
c) rejection of the Emperor is hersey.
d) Getting Commissar Fuklaw cause dat gak is Extra heretical.

I like that the other end of the scale still says heresy

But it's only a little heresy...

A) Heresy
B) Heresy
C) Heresy
D) Heresy

So from the replies on this thread im sensing there is some "heresy" going on?
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