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Is a BW list even viable at 1000? So few bodies... i'm thinking maybe 3 BWs with 20 boys each?

I would try this, I think it would be a riot.

Big Mek KFF;PK :110

20xboyz,nob,pk,bp :160
20boyz,nob,pk,bp :160
19boyz,nob,pk,bp :154

Deffkopta tl rokkit; buzzsaw :70

BW; Deffrolla; BigShoota :115
BW; Deffrolla; BigShoota :115
BW; Deffrolla; BigShoota :115

In short: You don't.

When starting out orks, all I had were battlewagons + passengers, so even at 1k points I had to field them. The best way to do so is using just two battlewagons and support them with other fast elements, like buggies, trukks or koptaz. Maybe a unit of warbikers if you own those. Add lootaz and you got a working list, though not a great one.

If you field three wagons, they will always use up so many points that you will find yourself unable to answer some threats, be it CC beasts(MC/IC), hordes or units of CC experts. There also isn't much point in skipping armor plates, as you don't want to get your wagon stunned ever.

As per usual, Jidmah's advice is spot on; 1k is just not a very nice place for a battlewagon rush, as if you want actual support elements for your list, you can only really afford two wagons full of boyz, which in turn hurts your redundancy.

My personal recommendation is to play a Kan Wall at anything equal too or less than 1.5k; in my experience, it just works so much better...

If you really must run wagons, something to this effect;

Big Mek KFF, kombi-skorcha : 85

6 Lootas: 75
5 Lootas: 75

20boyz,nob,pk,bp :160
19boyz,nob,pk,bp :154
10 Gretchin, runtherd : 40

Deffkopta tl rokkit; buzzsaw :70
Deffkopta tl rokkit; buzzsaw :70

BW; Deffrolla; BigShoota, extra armour :125
BW; Deffrolla; BigShoota, extra armour :125

Would likely be your best bet. Not perfect, but definitely decent, and a good foundation to be expanded as pts values increase.

Note that a bigmek may not have a KFF and a kombi-skorcha. The only weapon options for a KFF mek are burna and pk.

Jidmah wrote:Note that a bigmek may not have a KFF and a kombi-skorcha. The only weapon options for a KFF mek are burna and pk.

Oopsie... had 5pts, needed to chuck it somewhere. Replace it with something else...

You could drop one loota and give him a burna - at 1k points there is at least some chance that he survives CC.

I actually do a BW list that doew pretty well at 1k points I'll type it up when I can grab it ... but basically it is one warboss on a bike, one diversified nobz group in a battle wagon with a kff mek and a bw with 20 boysw/ nob bp and pk.. also a few random buggies... it shar dto deal with av14 at that points lvl and the 4+ save from kff and the warboss gets his own from the smoke helps out alot

Here is a cute list for 1k

HQ:
Big Mek
KFF
@85

Elite:
3MANZ
BW
Deff
BS
@ 235
3 MANZ
BW
Deff
BS
@ 235
3 MANZ
BW
Deff
BS
@ 235

Troop:
10 boyz
1 Nobz
1 PK
1 BP
@ 106
10 boyz
1 Nobz
1 PK
1 BP
@ 106

TOTAL:
1002!!!!

Unfortunately, that cute list isn't under 1k. Lose one of the mega nobs, put the remaining 2 in the other units, give the BW to one of the boyz and buy 6 more boyz. 998 pts.

-cgmckenzie

I left it @ 1002 so somebody else can make the cut and adjust to their liking. I would drop a PK from a boyz squad and fill it in with a big choppa and more boyz.

That list is absolutely terrible. You can easily be tabled or made unable to win the game by turn three. Deff rollas aren't good against anything but vehicles and T5 or less multi-wound models, there is absolutely no point fielding 3 minimal units of MANz just to fit three bw in at 1k points, especially if leaving off essential upgrades like armor plates.

One unit of MANz in a BW? Sure, why not. Three? No way.

Hey, man take it easy, I said it was a cute list.
Cute, for fun, this was not a serious build.
A comp build would be boyz in BWs or something like that.
To rip on a cute build is just mean!!!!

Keep in mind that someone might follow your tactical advice, spend a lot of money on all those models and just to get tabled twice a night. Your list isn't even close to viable, which is what the OP asked for.

The whole point of a tactical forum is to give discuss tactics, not to post random "cute" lists. Even in non-competative, fun games, you still want to have a great game, and neither you nor your opponent will have that if almost your entire army is dead by turn two, simply because it's reall, really bad.

I really hope somebody does not invest in a "cute" list. I posted it as a cute list, and I think it is acceptable to post such lists just to give ideas. Maybe somebody will run a 7 MANz squad in a BW and Boyz in another, I gave them the idea of MANz. Dont patronize the intelligence of the people of these fourms because I wrote a cute list. If people buy lists blind, that is to their disadvantage and should not be my responsibility. I know you have left completely sound tatics on multiple topics, but to say I should not post these lists for fun is mean.

“Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry.”
― Terry Pratchett

Have seen lists like this suggested and used, some people will even defend their reasons for fielding them to the death. Don't overestimate the intelligence of people you don't know. When writing manuals or programming GUIs you are taught to assume the user is a total idiot for a reason.

"Cute" is not a quality you can differentiate lists by. If you had said stupid list or the like, or simply chucked in the possibility that single BWs can be fielded by adding minimal MANz squads, that would have been more clear. I'm not being "mean" about anything, this is a place for discussion, isn't it?

I have never seen a list like this used, I mean maybe when we were high and playing, thinking something like this would be great, and we would have a blast getting tabled. But I do no want to talk about my list anymore, because this is not my post and it is not helping the OP.

For the OP, I think Kan Wall @ 1000 points is stronger than BW spam, not that BW is not viable, but Kan wall can deal with more situations at this point value. BW for sure 1500+, not saying Kan wall is not viable @ those point values either but BW can scale a lot better

Jidmah wrote:“Some humans would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry.”
― Terry Pratchett

Have seen lists like this suggested and used, some people will even defend their reasons for fielding them to the death. Don't overestimate the intelligence of people you don't know. When writing manuals or programming GUIs you are taught to assume the user is a total idiot for a reason.

"Cute" is not a quality you can differentiate lists by. If you had said stupid list or the like, or simply chucked in the possibility that single BWs can be fielded by adding minimal MANz squads, that would have been more clear. I'm not being "mean" about anything, this is a place for discussion, isn't it?

Just wanted to say, major props for being able to pull a terry pratchet quote from a certain planet that makes schoolboys chuckle.

Made me laugh

Warboss Gutrip had probably the best possible list barring the itty-bitty mistake if you intent to field mutliple BWs.

My 1000 point list differed by shaving off some of the points for the units inisde the BWs and taking an extra trukk of boyz. Really helped when I needed to grab one more objective from the opponent.

hmm, this is not easy....

you will need a hard core of boyz, preferably two 20man mobs in two wagons. You will also need a kff mek, and maybe a small nobs mob in one wagon. then amor plates on every wagon, and i dont think you should put a rolla on every wagon, because that is alot of points. Maybe you dont even need 3 wagons, two might be enough? Then you can get lootas for the leftover pints.

At 1250, you could run 2 wagons of boyz, a kff mek, some loota units, and a large mob of biker nobz. It's a pretty hard list, because it's a headache for target priority. At 1250, most armys do not have the tools to deal with 2 battlewagons and a big bunch of nob bikers.

Jidmah wrote:[i]Have seen lists like this suggested and used, some people will even defend their reasons for fielding them to the death. Don't overestimate the intelligence of people you don't know. When writing manuals or programming GUIs you are taught to assume the user is a total idiot for a reason.

Don't worry, i'm smart enough to know that MANs don't go into bws at 1000 points.
I definitely want to run a bw list so the double bw is starting to sound good...

Just out of curiosity, as a fellow Ork n00b, anyone mind posting that 1k Kan Wall list?

I have to disagree about the armour plates as an esential upgrade for battle waggons. for 10 points it only protects you from a rolled 1 on the damage chart when someone gets a pen past the KFF and your garenteed at least a weapon destroyed with a melta (so if a melta hits its worthless). and on a glance only a roll of a three is negated. so statisticly your paying 10 points for protection against a 1 in 6 result.

Armor plates isn't meant to prevent melta-shots or the like, those shouldn't get near you anyways. In the first two turns, any wagon that stops costs you a great deal of attacking power. You pay 10 points so your bw doesn't stop on a glancing 3, 5 and 6 but just on a 5 and 6, and rather than on a penetration 1, 4, 5 an 6 on a 4, 5 and 6. That's why we buy a big shootas for our bws in the first place. So rather than a 66% chance of stopping the wagon, your opponent is now down to 50%, or 33% rather than 50% for glancing. Thats easily worth 10 points, as you will lose much more points worth in models for each wagon that doesn't reach it's target, in addition the opponent can start shooting another wagon if he manages to stun one. A stunned battlewagon in addition to another wagon which is unable to move will easily cost you the game, so the upgrade is mandatory.

Im with grimgob plating is kinda meh. Out of the 3 game i played at ard boyz I only could have only used it once.I ran four wagon and they were getting shoot at every game and it either bounced off or blow up the wagon.Things like missiles and lazcannons have a hard time doing much damage from range leaving really , close range things like meltas,which normally come in the fire dragon or speeder flavors which by pass the plates anyways.If your getting shot in the side or rear your most likely going to have multiple results ,likely taking out the wagon .

So, why don't you leave off the big shoota, too?

If you have trouble with fire dragons, try using buggies to keep them away.

KilroyKiljoy may I suggest making your own thread so as not to highjack this one

I run my wagons with a kannon so i already leave off the big shoota.Plus a weapon has other uses rather then just trying to ignore one result, if you kill one guy with it you already made your points back. I never said i was having trouble with fire dragons I only mentioned them as melta platform.

ok, as promised my 1k BW list

HQ

big mek kff 85
warboss on a bike w/ pk, cybork and bp 140

Troops
Nobz 235
1st pk w/ waagh banner and cybork
2nd pk w/ bp and cybork
3rd kombi skorcha w/ cybork
4th big choppa w/ cybork
5th painboy w/ cybork

20 boyz w/ nob bp and pk 160


heavy support

2x BW w/ rolla, 1 kannon, plates and plank. 135 each

you are at 900

options here include 4 bikers to ride with the warboss at 100 points

or

a single deff kopta w/ buzz saw and tl rokkits (w/ the warboss thats avrage toughness 6 so tough to wound) that is 70 points then add attack squig and kombi skorcha for the warboss for 20 and throw 10 points somewhere else

wither way the extras go with the warboss and you have a pretty good list at 1k... you will have a problem with dark eldar and somewhat elldar doe to the dark lances, but overall it can be played well

another important note is the kannon on the BW when fired as a template is a defensive weapon ( str 4)