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Even if he is trapped physically to the Golden Throne of Earth, Emperor's mind is still working like 10.000 years ago.

And he regularly guide the people of the Imeprium, giving them instruction via Emperor's Tarot. Could it then be possible that he is aware the whole time what his Imperium has become? What happened to his loyal Primarchs after the Heresy? The Codex Astartes, The Goge regime, the Badab war, Krieg war, Black Crusades....? Does he know about all that?

I first assumed that in Goge Regime when his invasion fleet was hit with massive Warp storm that got it trapped, witch lead to the Astartes and Mechanicus attacking his palace. Then after mysterious meeting between him and Alicia Dominica ( really, she went for only few minutes and after that turned against her own Lord and execute him? That must have been some meeting ). And the fact that Sisters unique powers come from the Emperor himself ( Witchhunter codex ) means that he is willingly giving them portion of his power to yield?

I don't know about his intentions but someone here at Dakka presented an interesting theory ( I don't remember who but he will appear - I am sure of that ): Emperor had a plan B if case of failure of plan A. And that is to gather strength and face Chaos Gods in warp as one of them. So basically - he is allowing for people of the Imperium to worship him ( thus giving him strength and big presence in the Warp ) and the result will be certain of a whole new Chaos entity when he die one day. An entity that can rival Chaos Gods and maybe even kill them.
This is quite interesting theory, and it might be possible that the theory is correct. That would mean that he is aware at some point to overall situation. And that he knows about how far the Imperium has gone with his commands... but why then he is still allowing that instead of warning them via his Taroth?

What does Dakka thinks?

I don't think the emperor is aware of what's happening beyond the warp. If he was aware of anything it would be the fact he's drooling down his chest while they shove souls into the golden throne to feed him.

The emperor is dead. His body lives, yes, but he is dead. No psychic presence, nothing.
The psychic presence that humanity worships is actually Tzeentch, manipulating humanity to his own ends.

That's what I think, anyway.

Oh my god. The sisters do NOT get their power from the Emprah, not at all. None of it! Zero!

People seem to forget that in the 40k universe, believing in something deeply enough can change and affect anything.

The warp manifests itself in not just the forms of the chaos gods. It's a mirror realm, and it's power is drawn from emotion. If you feel and believe something so powerfully that it is your truth and reality, extraordinary things happen.

And NOT because the emperor shares his powers. He is dead. Anything left of him is just the Astronomicon, aka his psychic presence in the warp.

BronzeJon wrote:Oh my god. The sisters do NOT get their power from the Emprah, not at all. None of it! Zero!

People seem to forget that in the 40k universe, believing in something deeply enough can change and affect anything.

The warp manifests itself in not just the forms of the chaos gods. It's a mirror realm, and it's power is drawn from emotion. If you feel and believe something so powerfully that it is your truth and reality, extraordinary things happen.

And NOT because the emperor shares his powers. He is dead. Anything left of him is just the Astronomicon, aka his psychic presence in the warp.

And if people believe in the Emperor he gains power, enough, some may say, to affect things in the material realom... like the chaos gods do on a regular basis.
So yeah, not entirely a bad theory.
The Astronomicon isn't him, he has a hand in it but he isn't its entirety.

BronzeJon wrote:And NOT because the emperor shares his powers. He is dead. Anything left of him is just the Astronomicon, aka his psychic presence in the warp.

So a drooling braindead goon isn't to far then

GentlemanGuy wrote:So a drooling braindead goon isn't to far then

Yeah it is.


The actual state of the Emperor seems fairly debatable. He's said to have a few body cells left, maintained by the Golden Throne and tethering him to the Materium, and it's pretty explicitly stated that the Emperor retains consciousness and suffers in eternal agony to maintain vigil over humanity.

BronzeJon wrote:Oh my god. The sisters do NOT get their power from the Emprah, not at all. None of it! Zero!

People seem to forget that in the 40k universe, believing in something deeply enough can change and affect anything.

The warp manifests itself in not just the forms of the chaos gods. It's a mirror realm, and it's power is drawn from emotion. If you feel and believe something so powerfully that it is your truth and reality, extraordinary things happen.

And NOT because the emperor shares his powers. He is dead. Anything left of him is just the Astronomicon, aka his psychic presence in the warp.

Whilst I don't disagree with your logic, without a source to back it up, it's no more definitive than the opposite assumption - that the Emperor is indeed a 'god' and able to intervene to aid his followers just as the ruinous powers do.

BronzeJon wrote:Oh my god. The sisters do NOT get their power from the Emprah, not at all. None of it! Zero!

People seem to forget that in the 40k universe, believing in something deeply enough can change and affect anything.

The warp manifests itself in not just the forms of the chaos gods. It's a mirror realm, and it's power is drawn from emotion. If you feel and believe something so powerfully that it is your truth and reality, extraordinary things happen.

And NOT because the emperor shares his powers. He is dead. Anything left of him is just the Astronomicon, aka his psychic presence in the warp.

Actually, the description of the Powers of Faith in both the SOB Codex, the DH books and pretty much everywhere else their game effects are discussed state that they come from the divine power of the Emperor. Not in some in-universe, in-character comment, but in the omniscient, player-knowledge description that is used when discussing table-top rules, things that GMs need to know, and all that similar sort of deal.

Psienesis wrote:

BronzeJon wrote:Oh my god. The sisters do NOT get their power from the Emprah, not at all. None of it! Zero!

People seem to forget that in the 40k universe, believing in something deeply enough can change and affect anything.

The warp manifests itself in not just the forms of the chaos gods. It's a mirror realm, and it's power is drawn from emotion. If you feel and believe something so powerfully that it is your truth and reality, extraordinary things happen.

And NOT because the emperor shares his powers. He is dead. Anything left of him is just the Astronomicon, aka his psychic presence in the warp.

Actually, the description of the Powers of Faith in both the SOB Codex, the DH books and pretty much everywhere else their game effects are discussed state that they come from the divine power of the Emperor. Not in some in-universe, in-character comment, but in the omniscient, player-knowledge description that is used when discussing table-top rules, things that GMs need to know, and all that similar sort of deal.

Good. I thought the original suggestion sounded a bit too 'Mage the Ascension'.

The people of the Imperium worship a dried up, rotting, decaying corpse that they feed souls to. Doesn't that sound a little heretical to anyone else?

tilarium wrote:The people of the Imperium worship a dried up, rotting, decaying corpse that they feed souls to. Doesn't that sound a little heretical to anyone else?

Not really. The whole Religion of the Imperium is based upon that. They don't hide it, they yell it from the rooftops. Ok maybe not that extreme, but the fact that he is bound to the golden throne because after fighting (and killing) Horus, it was either die now or be bound to the throne and die eventually (That and Malador[or Whatever his name is. The guy originally bound to the Golden Throne] was about to die) isn't hidden from the public.

they just arent ready to let go of the emperor yet, and the illuminati are actually planning
to sacrifice the descendants of the Emperor so he will be reborn and lead another great crusade

My opinion on it is the Emperor's Warp presence is still there, but barely conscious as a single entity and is between the space of a human soul and a God. I doubt he perceives or registers specific events going on in the Imperium and acts on them. He's one with the Warp.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:The whole Religion of the Imperium is based upon that. They don't hide it, they yell it from the rooftops. Ok maybe not that extreme, but the fact that he is bound to the golden throne because after fighting (and killing) Horus, it was either die now or be bound to the throne and die eventually (That and Malador[or Whatever his name is. The guy originally bound to the Golden Throne] was about to die) isn't hidden from the public.

Quite right - it's a bit of a Jesus case here. THE EMPEROR SUFFERS FOR YOU so you better repay him. With tithes to the Church, obedience to your governor, and by joining the Imperial Guard.

The above also plays a heavy part in the religious view of the Adepta Sororitas, though I think there would be a number of circles within the Ecclesiarchy and many Death Cults that practice a similar kind of "flagellantism".

"It is our creed that the purpose of life is to suffer, for in this way we become one with the Emperor's eternal suffering. Hair-shirts! Naked vigils on cold stone floors! The scourge of prayer and endless mortifications of the flesh! Have you not heard that those who suffer are blessed?"
- unknown Canoness in 3E 40k rulebook short story

Beastmaster wrote:they just arent ready to let go of the emperor yet

Oh yeah, there was an interesting bit about preventing the Emperor from rising anew in the introduction of GW's Inquisitor RPG. Basically, the powers-that-be prefer him to remain a figurehead whilst hiding the possibility of a rebirth from the populace. Grimdark ...

The Emperor is most certaintly aware of what is happening. He does interact with his subjects, albiet in a slightly distanced fashion.

The Emperor's Tarot and Living Saints are just a few of the ways in which he interacts.

He will also gain information from the ripples in the Warp.



His empire may not be what he intended, but he doubtless sees how it only survives with him as its god. If he ever is cured he will likely remain as a god, denying it would only rip humanity apart again.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:

tilarium wrote:The people of the Imperium worship a dried up, rotting, decaying corpse that they feed souls to. Doesn't that sound a little heretical to anyone else?

Not really. The whole Religion of the Imperium is based upon that. They don't hide it, they yell it from the rooftops. Ok maybe not that extreme, but the fact that he is bound to the golden throne because after fighting (and killing) Horus, it was either die now or be bound to the throne and die eventually (That and Malador[or Whatever his name is. The guy originally bound to the Golden Throne] was about to die) isn't hidden from the public.

In the Inquisitor game, there was a bit of fluff where the High Lords were given the option of resurrecting him, but decided not to. (Two of them did anyway, and had the other two assassinated).

From what I have read I think the Emperor knows what's going on to an extent. However bear in mind that the Emperor purposefully cam into existence when a bunch of powerful shamans willfully died at the same time so that they could return as the Ultimate being. Therefore if the Emperor were to die what would stop him from returning?

The flip side of this? Apparently warp travel would be almost impossible without the Emperor being on the Golden Throne. I don't think the Imperium would survive without Warp travel.

It potentially could, just in a far smaller version, with local governing bodies (probably voicing themselves through Space Marines) being more important. They managed Warp travel while the Emperor was still up and about anyway.

Wasn't there also warp travel before the Emperor had even revealed himself? Anyway, it seems more likely to me that the Emperor is aware of the overall state of the Imperium, but not individual events (like the siege of Vraks).

Well before the Emperor there was no Eye of Terror, so the Warp jumps have been somewhat easier then in the 41'st millennium ( damn you Eldar and your fetish games ). I only don't knwo how they navigated in the age of the Great Crusade, since there was nos Astronomicon even then.

He is, to a certain extent. His personality is fragmented, parts of it seem to work at odds with other parts, and overall he has too many tasks to occupy him to really care about the hellish conditions of most planets under the Imperium's yoke. He never was that compassionate a guy in the first place.


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Brother Coa wrote:Well before the Emperor there was no Eye of Terror, so the Warp jumps have been somewhat easier then in the 41'st millennium ( damn you Eldar and your fetish games ). I only don't knwo how they navigated in the age of the Great Crusade, since there was nos Astronomicon even then.

If it wasn't for the Eldar and the birth of Slaanesh, humanity could have never begun the Great Crusade, since that event blew apart the crazy warp storms accumulated during the Age of Strife. The lack of an Astronomicon would have complicated things for the navigators of the Crusades, so no clue on that one.


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Lynata wrote:Oh yeah, there was an interesting bit about preventing the Emperor from rising anew in the introduction of GW's Inquisitor RPG. Basically, the powers-that-be prefer him to remain a figurehead whilst hiding the possibility of a rebirth from the populace. Grimdark ...

Well, the rationale behind that is that some may not accept his rebirth, which would prompt a civil war, and perhaps more importantly, they have no idea how sane he is after being stuck in a port-a-potty for 10,000 years.

The Emperor is not dead. If he would be, then terra would be in an constant assault of demonic forces and humanity would have been wiped out long ago. Hes body maybe dead, but his spirit still lingers on, waiting on becoming an great warp entity, so that he could gather up whole humanity and lead them to an grand crusade, in which every trait of chaos is wiped out. The emperor doesnt know about the current happenings, only sensing warp entities and keeping them away from terra, using his great mind. (now isnt this a little confusing from a guy who worships khorne? well i only side chaos in WHFB ) Courage and honour!

How does the Emperor plan on wiping out Chaos when his own armies are feeding it? As long as sentient life exists, so will the Chaos gods.

Durza wrote:How does the Emperor plan on wiping out Chaos when his own armies are feeding it? As long as sentient life exists, so will the Chaos gods.

He doesn't want to wipe out chaos, he knows he cant, if we go by fluff the emperor is a very VERY wise person he knows he cant beat chaos, he wanted to prepare the human race for ascension into psykerhood but that plan went down the drain when his son got constipated.

The way I see it is that the emperor is feeding on the souls so that when his body goes BAMF he has enough souls and power too rival the chaos gods in the warp - at the moment he is neither dead nor alive somewhere in between preparing for the next phase and he lets the church know he exist (even though he hated the concept of religion) that way when he goes BAMF he can interact with the faithful (saints, priests etc) and show his public he is still here.

the emperor is wise - love the emperor and he will love you back.

Surely instead of saying 'I'm off to be a god'-BAMF, he should be saying 'Better find someone else to sit on that real quickly'-BAMF

yevix wrote:
He doesn't want to wipe out chaos, he knows he cant, if we go by fluff the emperor is a very VERY wise person he knows he cant beat chaos,

He might know that now, but his plan was indisputably to wipe out all the chaos gods. That's what the motivated the entire Imperial Truth during the Crusade. He thought that by cutting off all worship and knowledge of chaos, he could kill it. Considering Chaos orchestrated the Heresy to stop this, it must have had at least some chance of success.

Yes

I am sure I remember reading that the emperor was saddened how the only way to save the empire after the heresy was to abandon the imperial truth and become a god for humanity.

I think his plan was not so much to destroy the chaos gods, but to make them less powerful. If the imperial truth were properly spread, and the imperium became the utopia he had envisioned, the negative emotions that feed the negative aspects of the chaos gods would diminish and their more positive sides would become more prevalent.

However, as it stands now, all he can do is protect the imperium from the raw stuff of chaos and hope for the best.

In the Inquisitor trilogy of books he is shown as alaive and aware of things, through many fragmented parts of his conciousness. Think the BL has put them back into print, but they were originally RT era stuff.