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Do Melta Bombs get their 2D6 versus the Ceramite Plating rule on a Stormraven?

I would say yes, because it states, "melta weapons do not gain the extra D6 armour penetration when shooting at the Stormraven Gunship."

I know that sort of answers my own question - melta bombs aren't shooting attacks - but I just wanted confirmation.

Unless there's an FAQ stating otherwise they'd get their 2d6. Going to doublecheck via BGB and FAQ's.

Oh boy here we go.

yes you get the 2d6 pen as a melta bomb is used in close combat

I thought because it's a flyer you can't get into hand to hand combat with it? Thus it would be tough to get a melta bomb to said flyer, making such an occasion impossible.

thats actually incorrect...it has the fast,skimmer unit type and can be assaulted by moving in base contact with its base

Visualize it as the grenades having little jet engines or being rifle grenades if you like

Either that or that guy with the bombs has a hell of a throwing arm...

The rule should include Melta Bombs by the fluff.

But RAW It depends on if Melta-bombs are Melta weapons or not.

Melta bombs do not have the Melta tag in anything other than their name, so RAW it is not currently a Melta weapon.

(I suspect this will change either via FaQ, or in 6th Ed.)

but the thing is, are you able to shoot with a melta bomb?

its a grenade that is used in the assault phase...the ceramite plating only has an effect against shooting

puma713 wrote:Do Melta Bombs get their 2D6 versus the Ceramite Plating rule on a Stormraven?
"melta weapons do not gain the extra D6 armour penetration when shooting at the Stormraven Gunship."

DeathReaper wrote:The rule should include Melta Bombs by the fluff.

But RAW It depends on if Melta-bombs are Melta weapons or not.

Melta bombs do not have the Melta tag in anything other than their name, so RAW it is not currently a Melta weapon.

(I suspect this will change either via FaQ, or in 6th Ed.)

DR if what Puma quoted is accurate, Meltabombs will work even if the have "melta" rule as they're not a shooting attack eh?

MeltaBOMBS do NOT have the 'melta' rule.

No 'melta' rule, no immunity to it.

Melta bombs work fine (but if you are using the stormguppy properly, then the opponent should be requiring 6's to hit anyway).

chromedog wrote:MeltaBOMBS do NOT have the 'melta' rule.

No 'melta' rule, no immunity to it.

Melta bombs work fine (but if you are using the stormguppy properly, then the opponent should be requiring 6's to hit anyway).

Yeah, the question arose from 12 Screamers of Tzeentch (backed up by Skarbrand) vs. a flat-out Stormraven.

chromedog wrote:MeltaBOMBS do NOT have the 'melta' rule.

No 'melta' rule, no immunity to it.

Melta bombs work fine (but if you are using the stormguppy properly, then the opponent should be requiring 6's to hit anyway).

I would like to preface this with the following:

Warning! The following post contains Lucifarian advocacy, and general rules-ass-hat-ery

unfortunately with the GK FAQ, GW has flat stated that despite all our previous standing by the theory that Fluff =/= Rules; Fluff does, in fact, = Rules.

Now that said the Storm Raven still has no immunity to Melta bombs(even when you take codex-dependent melta bomb entries into account); this is because the fluff description for meltaguns, and the fluff descriptions for meltabombs are different.

Meltabombs are either "subatomic charges", or undefined; depending on codex(Subatomc in Marine Codices, undefined in Eldar and IG).

Meltaguns are either Firing Super-heated streams of pure destruction(with a sub-atomic blast), undefined, or sub-molecular thermal agitation; The only one that has the Sub-atomic blast, is the IG codex; where the Meltabomb is undefined(so they are still not even the same, fluff-wise, there).

How about you can shove a meltabomb into/at a window or engine while the outercoating helps stop a ranged melta attack?

How can it not end well? It looks like everyone's agreed that Melta Bombs work against Stormravens.

Based on what rules were posted here, I would have to say that melta bombs get 2d6 pen vs storm ravens.

They are not 'shooting'.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:How about you can shove a meltabomb into/at a window or engine while the outercoating helps stop a ranged melta attack?

Try doing that to a vehicle going 50 MPH.


As I said I suspect they will change meltabombs to have the melta rule, so the SR's are immune to the extra D6, or the will rename meltabombs altogether to avoid confusion.

DeathReaper wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:How about you can shove a meltabomb into/at a window or engine while the outercoating helps stop a ranged melta attack?

Try doing that to a vehicle going 50 MPH.


As I said I suspect they will change meltabombs to have the melta rule, so the SR's are immune to the extra D6, or the will rename meltabombs altogether to avoid confusion.

Even if they made Melta-bombs have the melta rule it is not a Shooting melta which is what the SR gets protection from.
As long as Grenades are some kind of CC attack SR's will take a hit from them.

DeathReaper wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:How about you can shove a meltabomb into/at a window or engine while the outercoating helps stop a ranged melta attack?

Try doing that to a vehicle going 50 MPH.

Why not, we do it with every other Skimmer.

DeathReaper wrote:
As I said I suspect they will change meltabombs to have the melta rule, so the SR's are immune to the extra D6, or the will rename meltabombs altogether to avoid confusion.

Giving Melta Bombs the melta rule will do nothing:

A) grenades are not Shooting attacks(stated less for the Ceramite rule, and more for the melta rule)
B) you cannot Halve 0"(for determining if the melta bomb is placed within 1/2 distance of the vehicle you are in base contact with).

Further; the Ceramite rule itself is worded in such a way that the Melta bombs damage would still supersede it: Melta bombs do not gain an "Extra D6"; they have a flat penetration roll of 8+2d6(monolith Living metal specifically counters this).

And finally we have a shared name-portion, but no fluff indicating the 2 are one and the same; so meltabombs are in no way "Melta Weapons"

I would say they get 2D6 AP. Storm Raven armour stops melta weapons 'extra' D6. Meltabombs do not get an 'extra' D6, they are S+2D6. Nowhere does the Storm Raven state melta weapons loose D6, they just don't gain it.

Meltabombs aren't Melta.

The skip with thrusters will be prone to critical meltdown.

Serves them right for jacking Necron tech (which the Necrons then lost somehow..)

KK - half of 0" is 0", so you CAN halve 0. Unfortunately they dont have range: 0", they just dont have a range. And half of "undefined range" is "undefined"

Kommissar Kel wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:How about you can shove a meltabomb into/at a window or engine while the outercoating helps stop a ranged melta attack?

Try doing that to a vehicle going 50 MPH.

Why not, we do it with every other Skimmer.

No, there are no rules for placing the grenades/Meltabombs "into/at a window or engine" you roll against the vehicles AV

UltraPrime wrote:I would say they get 2D6 AP. Storm Raven armour stops melta weapons 'extra' D6. Meltabombs do not get an 'extra' D6, they are S+2D6. Nowhere does the Storm Raven state melta weapons loose D6, they just don't gain it.

All normal armor penetration rolls are Str +1D6

Meltabombs roll Str +2d6.

Meltabombs roll an extra D6 for armor pen all the time, just like melta weapons do at 1/2 range.

I suspect they will change it with a FaQ or 6th ed to either call Meltabombs something else, or give meltabombs the melta rule.

Ascalam wrote:Visualize it as the grenades having little jet engines or being rifle grenades if you like

Either that or that guy with the bombs has a hell of a throwing arm...

The guy at my GW says it pretty well - between movement the skimmer lands/hovers/refuels/etc, so they can get near it and try to attach something to it.

'Melta' WEAPONS have the 'Melta' rule.

Melta-bombs do NOT have this rule.

The melta rule adds a die to AP at half range or less.
Melta-bombs are used in cc against vehicles, not thrown and not shot. They have NO range, AP factor, or any other details save a S of 8+2d6. With NO range, it cannot ever have HALF-range (it is not half of 'zero', it is half of nothing). With no AP rating, they never get the +/-1 extra for AP1/- either.

nosferatu1001 wrote:KK - half of 0" is 0", so you CAN halve 0. Unfortunately they dont have range: 0", they just dont have a range. And half of "undefined range" is "undefined"

Wasn't aware that you were the 1 human-being capable of dividing by 0 nos, I will have to keep that in mind next time I want to take a quick run to Alpha Centarii about 7000 years ago.

Kommissar Kel wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:KK - half of 0" is 0", so you CAN halve 0. Unfortunately they dont have range: 0", they just dont have a range. And half of "undefined range" is "undefined"

Wasn't aware that you were the 1 human-being capable of dividing by 0 nos, I will have to keep that in mind next time I want to take a quick run to Alpha Centarii about 7000 years ago.

Except Nos did not divide by zero.

Nos Multiplied by 0.5

Kommissar Kel wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:KK - half of 0" is 0", so you CAN halve 0. Unfortunately they dont have range: 0", they just dont have a range. And half of "undefined range" is "undefined"

Wasn't aware that you were the 1 human-being capable of dividing by 0 nos, I will have to keep that in mind next time I want to take a quick run to Alpha Centarii about 7000 years ago.

ha. love it. I think nos's point was that it wouldn't work though, because it is undefined and will get all confusing because of that. I don't see why they wouldn't get it, and my justification is the same as pretty much everyone else's here, that it isnt a shooting attack and doesn't involve an 'extra D6'.

You can divide zero, but not divide by zero. Chop 0 watermelons up in any configuration, you'll always have 0 watermelon slices.

I'm reasonably sure that if GW ever felt the need to settle this, they would definitely consider MELTA bombs to be MELTA weapons.

Call it a hunch.