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I was glancing through some threads, and I heard mention of a Draft occuring whenever. So, it got me to thinking. Currently a goodly percentage of people are too fat to enlist, so what would happen if a draft were to occur?

Well, if the manpower requirements during a draft could be met by only drafting non-obese people, then we will only draft the non-obese. If we're in a bad enough situation that that is no longer good enough, we will begin drafting the obese and probably riding them harder to get them into proper shape.

Melt it off with PT and hatred. I hate fat bodies and I love sweat. Mixing the two is a sort of sadistic pleasure.
If they initiate a draft, its very likely the obese would not find themselves exempted. Throw them in a recycle company or a fitness readiness company melt it off and if it doesn't work out after three months release them from thier obligation.

Draft? Really? Any age limits?

Auston, I disagree. They might throw the lardo's into a special longer-term program to prep them for proper training, but the military machine isn't going to waste the time, money, or resources to prep people unfit for service when they have a pretty large pool of people who are. If we're calling a drat, gak has hit the fan and we won't have the option to wait that long.

djphranq, there won't be a draft in this country, its detrimental to our military capability, and most of the senior military leadership can remember a time when we had a draft, and they don't want to see it return.

chaos0xomega wrote:Auston, I disagree. They might throw the lardo's into a special longer-term program to prep them for proper training, but the military machine isn't going to waste the time, money, or resources to prep people unfit for service when they have a pretty large pool of people who are. If we're calling a drat, gak has hit the fan and we won't have the option to wait that long.

Yeah, most likely they would simply be exempt, just as someone with any other physical disability would be exempt. If they were to be pressed into service, they would likely be placed in non-combat logistical roles based in the United States; where their obesity wouldn't be a major issue.

If there is a draft then anyone over the age of 18 and a male is part of the selection pool. If you are disabled or in some sort of higher education(university or medical schools for example) then you are also exempt. If you ever got a little card saying "Selective Service" that is your draft card, keep it with you and carry it proudly because its also used in conjunction with voter registration.



Personally I have flat feet and knock knees. It sucks because it might just prevent me from ever joining anything. Hopefully I can get a good mile time and make up for those facts.

18-42 (17 with a parent waiver) is the going age limit now. As for obesity well......its the Chub Scout program. Remedial PT in the afternoon. Military its not just the weight its also fat percentile. For men its the tape around the neck and AB's three times. Basically your stuck in a military training battalion to you meet requirment. If not then your a detail ranger in the training company and up to you the unit commander to drum you out.
Granted military service is not highly regarded. I much rather deal with a volunteer then with a draftee. Since I am a professional NCO I treat both the same. Its up to the individual to conform to standards or not. I'm just there to help him/her to build a better mind and body. I met a lot of individuals who have the misconception of the military. Most of it is being ordered around. I don't order anyone. I suggest that this need to happen and at what priority it is and it up to the individual to perform the task to his/her ability either meet or exceed standards. Its the individual perception of knowing duty, responsibilities, commitment, and maturity.
I will admit. One thing that will make me madder then all heck. Its an unsafe action. Screwing around with a weapon or other combat items will set me off. MUZZLE AWARENESS. I seen it once and had to deal with the aftermath on my first deployment to Afghanistan. Playing grab ass with another soldier in a port a potty and tossed a flash bang in.
Back to topic. Obesity will not keep you out of deployment though lol. Its the best weight lost and muscle building program one can take. One year in a desert, all the free water you can drink does wonders.

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Being in higher education does not get you out of the draft. You are allowed to complete the semester and then report to MEPS. They change that awhile back. Obesity is not considered disabled.

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Join the reserves or national guard. That beats the draft into active duty. As a reserve/national guard and called to active duty you are paid much higher then a active component soldier. Single soldiers get full BAH.

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OBESITY IS NOT A DISABILITY IN THE VIEW OF THE MILITARY

I take it that you really want to beat the fat out of obese people Jihadin.

Obesity itself is something that can be changed through strict diet and workout routines. Now if you have a heart condition then that really can't be fixed unless the government wants to pay for a surgery which they rarely want to do.

If you plan to join the military, Army standards are the toughest at a basic level. I would reckon that Para-rescue would be tougher but that's another story.

Just as an aside, a draft happening in the US at this stage is a political absurdity. For now, reinstating the draft is tantamount to political suicide. No politician would vote for it.

The situation would need to be pretty **** for us to start drafting again. We wouldn't do it even if it were prudent.

They would have to be rather desperate to draft my fat hariy a**.

Like enemies landing on our shores desperate.

halonachos wrote:If there is a draft then anyone over the age of 18 and a male is part of the selection pool. If you are disabled or in some sort of higher education(university or medical schools for example) then you are also exempt. If you ever got a little card saying "Selective Service" that is your draft card, keep it with you and carry it proudly because its also used in conjunction with voter registration.

Higher education doesn't exempt you, thats an urban myth.

If a draft does come up, I would enlist (or if its an option to you apply for OTS/OCS). At least you have more control over where and what you end up doing, so that when the cold dark hand of death embraces you to carry you to the netherworld you can be at peace with yourself knowing that you are dead because you chose the path that led you there rather than being forced on that path by a fat cat in washington.

Fatties are, of course, used as sandbags during drafts.

/joke

chaos0xomega wrote:

halonachos wrote:If there is a draft then anyone over the age of 18 and a male is part of the selection pool. If you are disabled or in some sort of higher education(university or medical schools for example) then you are also exempt. If you ever got a little card saying "Selective Service" that is your draft card, keep it with you and carry it proudly because its also used in conjunction with voter registration.

Higher education doesn't exempt you, thats an urban myth.

If a draft does come up, I would enlist (or if its an option to you apply for OTS/OCS). At least you have more control over where and what you end up doing, so that when the cold dark hand of death embraces you to carry you to the netherworld you can be at peace with yourself knowing that you are dead because you chose the path that led you there rather than being forced on that path by a fat cat in washington.

I've always thought I would just enlist in the navy if their were a draft. Those boats seem pretty safe, also the guns are nice and big

Two quotes from one of the greatest Army movie of all time:

Dewey Oxburger: My name's Dewey Oxburger. My friends call me Ox. You might have noticed that, uh, I've got a slight weight problem. Yeah, yeah I do. Yeah, I do. I went to this doctor. Well, he told me I swallow a lot of aggression... along with a lot of pizzas! Ha Ha Ha! Pizzas! I'm basically a shy person, I'm a shy guy. Uh, he suggested taking one these uh, aggression training courses. You know these aggression training courses like EST, those type of things. Anyway, it cost 400 bucks! 400 bucks to join this thing? Well I didn't have the money and I thought to myself, "Join the army"! It's free. So I figured while I'm here I'll lose a few pounds. And you got what, a 6 to 8 week training program here? A real tough one. Which is perfect for me.

Cruiser: I joined the army 'cause my father and my brother were in the army. I thought I'd better join before I got drafted.
Sergeant Hulka: Son, there ain't no draft no more.
Cruiser: There was one?

Yessir, I am quoting Stripes.

There has been not call nor justification to reinstate the draft since Viet-Nam. The recruitment dynamo of the Defense Department has the Armed Forces well-stocked for decades, even if they claim numbers are down. Only in time of an actual, declared war, would Congress even consider it, but we haven't had one of those since World War II.

The draft occurring at this time is an utter impossibility. People are already disillusioned with the current government. You press them into military service when government approval ratings are this low, AND there is no war on home soil, and you will quickly find yourself fighting a war on home soil.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

halonachos wrote:If there is a draft then anyone over the age of 18 and a male is part of the selection pool. If you are disabled or in some sort of higher education(university or medical schools for example) then you are also exempt. If you ever got a little card saying "Selective Service" that is your draft card, keep it with you and carry it proudly because its also used in conjunction with voter registration.

Higher education doesn't exempt you, thats an urban myth.

If a draft does come up, I would enlist (or if its an option to you apply for OTS/OCS). At least you have more control over where and what you end up doing, so that when the cold dark hand of death embraces you to carry you to the netherworld you can be at peace with yourself knowing that you are dead because you chose the path that led you there rather than being forced on that path by a fat cat in washington.

I've always thought I would just enlist in the navy if their were a draft. Those boats seem pretty safe, also the guns are nice and big

Those boats are big pieces of metal that bob back and forth in water which means there is a chance the boat will collide with you while you are inside. Fortunately the forces of gravity and momentum are kind enough that you move along with the boat for the majority of the time.

If the super committee....those 12 individuals that got picked to trim a couple trillion dollars from the budget...blows the deadline then the military gets gutted bigger then hell. Which means early retirement after 15 yrs, retention control point of 12 yrs for those that can't get promoted pass E5, bonus to reenlist goes out the window, and units getting deactivated. The Pentagon already stated that the draft MIGHT have to be implemented for 3-4 yrs tour...medical and aviation field is six yrs. Low enlisted soldiers is cheaper then keeping carreer soldiers. That...irks me.
I will admit. I've been popped for overweight at the start of my carreer. Its pretty damn embarressing and a pain in the arse. In fact...I've been popped 4 times for the fat boy program. I will not smoke a over weight soldier. I will not run a overweight 2-4 miles a day. I will not dictate what a soldier can or can not eat. The progress for weight loss is 3-4 lbs a month. No more then six month. After six month then your process out the army unless your deem mission critical then the commander can extend your um...program...overseas...in Afghanistan. For six months you concentrate on what you eat and muscle build up with cardio workout. I will though get you to put on your body armor with your Hooah gear and walk with you for 6 miles every Friday.
Course an individual might be a simple "fix". As in drinking water. If your a soda drinker that also live off power drinks then you are more then likely a easy fix. Your body retains water since its not use to consuming WATER. So one have to convince their body that you are going to drink a good amount of water a day. A good portion of your weight is water retention.
So I drink a lot of water, eat a lot of meat, and veggies. I limit my intake of carbs and pretty much remove sugar from my diet. Don't get me wrong though. I will jail house rape a good chinese buffett for lunch but will have a steak for dinner. I do love my southern sweet tea that I make instead of that instant crap so instead of a full cup of sugar in a pitcher I use a little over 1/4.

AND there is no war on home soil, and you will quickly find yourself fighting a war on home soil.

Well...besides drug cartels war south of the border and some spillage thats happening on our soil. We're starting to get a rash of homegrown terrorists. Like the 50-60 yrs old men that were planning to spread racine around in a couple of major cities. The constitution allows for a overthrow of the gov't by the people. WHich puts us in the military of a moral dillema since we swore to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies. I will not nor expect my soldiers to get motivated for a chance to shoot an american. I will question the order if sent down. I more then likely refuse to give the orders to shoot americans unless their walking dead americans (zombies). Now if shot at then you bet your left nut, a lrg Duncan Donut coffee with cream and suger, and your porn collection then I will engage with some rightous anger cause its now personnel.

Jihadin wrote: If the super committee....those 12 individuals that got picked to trim a couple trillion dollars from the budget...blows the deadline then the military gets gutted bigger then hell. Which means early retirement after 15 yrs, retention control point of 12 yrs for those that can't get promoted pass E5, bonus to reenlist goes out the window, and units getting deactivated. The Pentagon already stated that the draft MIGHT have to be implemented for 3-4 yrs tour...medical and aviation field is six yrs. Low enlisted soldiers is cheaper then keeping carreer soldiers. That...irks me.

This scenario is unlikely (Reenlistment bonuses however probably would decrease) in the case of budget cuts. US military practice has always been personnel and officer retention when the budget is low. We sacrifice material before we sacrifice personnel as a standard practice. I see no reason for this to change. Material costs more in the short term than personnel anyway, and all government money handlers ever think about is the short term.

What you're talking about of is actually more of a European (namely French) military practice.

Give us fatties who play lots of video games command of predator drones.

Horst wrote:Give us fatties who play lots of video games command of predator drones.

No way. Those guys have no honor. Friendly fire would go through the roof, as it were.

Horst wrote:Give us fatties who play lots of video games command of predator drones.

Ironically speaking, the Army has picked up a lot of gamers to fly Predator drone Not fat ones mind you but gamers are the folk who end up in that field it seems.

Also those predators/reaper drone pilots are claiming PTSD for killing insurgents on television while in California

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The drones are launched from the airfield in Iraq/Afghanistan. When the drones are at sufficient attitude then a hand off is made to the controller in California. It takes 3 secs for the hand over.

Jihadin wrote:Also those predators/reaper drone pilots are claiming PTSD for killing insurgents on television while in California

Pfft. I seriously doubt they actually have PTSD from that, and are just claiming it.

I mean honestly... I kill LOTS of people in video games. Tell me they are real people, I don't think it would change my perspective on it, because I'm conditioned to not care about them at this point.

That hit ARMY Times front page. Want to talk about a blood pressure going up. Everyone on deployments were mad as Hell. SO they ask what computer games they play at home.....GTA was at the top I believe

LordofHats wrote:US military practice has always been personnel and officer retention when the budget is low. We sacrifice material before we sacrifice personnel as a standard practice. I see no reason for this to change.

If you're referring to the Clinton cuts, that wasn't simply a matter of the budget, but the simultaneous conversion to a military which placed greater demands on the officer corps by placing higher ranking officers at positions that were historically left to more junior ones. Basically, the argument is that during the conversion process the military promoted people too quickly, and so placed many young officers into positions for which they were not prepared, or were not conditioned to understand on a cultural level; leading to high rates of attrition (eg. screw you guys, I'll go work in the private sector). This lead the military to institute officer retention programs, and sacrifice concerns over materiel.

chaos0xomega wrote:Auston, I disagree. They might throw the lardo's into a special longer-term program to prep them for proper training, but the military machine isn't going to waste the time, money, or resources to prep people unfit for service when they have a pretty large pool of people who are. If we're calling a drat, gak has hit the fan and we won't have the option to wait that long.

djphranq, there won't be a draft in this country, its detrimental to our military capability, and most of the senior military leadership can remember a time when we had a draft, and they don't want to see it return.

I remember reading "Too Fat to Fight" which claimed that something like 75% of 17-24 year olds were unfit for service for a variety of reasons. Only about 27% were to fat. Still a big chunk but when the ready pool is 25% and we are so desperate to rely on conscription...well it's easier to melt the fat off than say regrow a limb. Education and weight are probably the easiest to answer. I'd rather have a fat ass with a work ethic and some smarts that I can thin down and train than a piece of gak I have to risk my ass and beat on or worse...write a stack of counselings to rid myself of. You cant fix stupid...but fat, that's easy. I'm not saying we'd create a program for that now. But in a draft fat camp and at least a tenth grade level proficiency curriculum are fast and cheap.

Jihadin wrote:Also those predators/reaper drone pilots are claiming PTSD for killing insurgents on television while in California

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The drones are launched from the airfield in Iraq/Afghanistan. When the drones are at sufficient attitude then a hand off is made to the controller in California. It takes 3 secs for the hand over.

Diagnosing UAV guys with PTSD makes as much sense as giving them air medals, it's fething stupid. I think PTSD is over diagnosed in the first place, but gaks who never even deployed, feth them. I suppose I could see PTSD if say this operator dropped the ball and got someone killed, maybe and this is a longshot maybe killed an asston of Hajj and felt real bad about it. Comparing it to a video game isn't quite right, real people die in theater. They still have to get buried when the birds down, once my xbox is off there's no bodies.
It can get real personal if you know the guys your doing overwatch for, or if you can see a strangers face right before he buys it. But PTSD... really? Drop the T it's not that traumatic you whiny bitches.
In fairness it takes about a minute to a minute and a half to do a handoff between launch and mission shelters.

halonachos wrote:I take it that you really want to beat the fat out of obese people Jihadin.

hahahahahahahahaha....if that was possible, I'd set up a stand on the street and do it to every person that I deem needs it. It's not so much prejudice as it is an unhealthy lifestyle. Kids commit suicide for being bullied because they're too fat. If not bullied, they develop low self-esteem which hinders their ability to be great. Diets do not work. Neither does anything pharmaceutical. We NEED exercise regimes to motivate and drive people back into shape (hopefully without physical force). Fat people who say they are proud for being what they are and encourage their children and other people to do so are BAD PEOPLE. As for drafting and obesity, I'm pretty sure all you do is sign on the line, and if you're not the body shape they want, they will mold you like clay.

LumenPraebeo wrote:

halonachos wrote:I take it that you really want to beat the fat out of obese people Jihadin.

hahahahahahahahaha....if that was possible, I'd set up a stand on the street and do it to every person that I deem needs it

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LumenPraebeo wrote:My dad smoked, gambled, and drank when i was small...it lessened as I grew older but has now returned as I got older. I cannot respect such a man and wouldn't even flinch if he died. He hit and yelled at me too...

= Us getting some nice insight to your inner motivations and thought process. I feel like were really getting to know you.

Draft the obese anyway, take the napalm out of the bombs and replace it with brownie batter, and drive our wobblesome warriors into a berserk fury that will grind even our stoutest foes cowering into the sand!