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Jihadin wrote:

So basically. If the draft happens. Will you commit or protest/burn your draft card. If your in even though against your wishes will you perform or exceed the standards or just be lackluster.

For me? It would depend upon the circumstances. I love this country, but I hate the things that it does and people that run it. If we got attacked and the draft was required for soldiers for legitimate defense, I'm all in. Hell, I'd probably be volunteering in a case like that.

If it was so we could go poke a few holes in a desert somewhere? Not so much.

Jihadin wrote:

Source please? I have not read this. I find it suspect particularly in regards to the aviation field = six year contract draft. I can't fully speak for Army Aviation, but I know their aviators are warrant officers, and Air Force/Navy have an 8-10 year commitment (after training is completed,so it works out to more than that) and you have to be a commissioned officer. You don't draft officers, so this makes no sense.

Its fact. Talk to a recruiter and he/she say the same thing. Of those two fields its a standard six due to the amount of money thats poured in to train you. That's the enlisted side of the house. Warrants and Officers are retain a different way as you stated. So many years one have to commit for the training

I never realized how many stories I have revolving around recruiters but another one (Army this time I believe) I struck up a conversation with a bit ago was talking about how they increased the contracts of several jobs becuase people would just join to get the training and run as soon as they could. The main focus was on MP, but he said others were like that, but that MP went from a 2 or 3 year contract to a 6 year contract. A buddy of mine when he enlisted in the AF went in as an ordinance guy and that was a 6 year contract.

mattyrm wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Yeah, the Army and Navy PT'd a lot harder than we did too, but we were expected to work out on our own time. PT was there only so we would be physically fit enough to pass with bare minimums, but that wasn't necessarily good enough to get a commission, let alone a rated slot.

The Army PT test, as I understand it, has changed entirely to a 'combat fitness assessment' which is more or less a timed obstacle course. It seems kind of complicated, and I'm not entirely sure on the specifics of it, but people I have spoken to said its not difficult at all.

The Navy test is the same as the Air Force, but they get 2 minutes for pushups and situps where the Air Force only has 1.

Marines of course have a 3 mile run (vs. 1.5 mile) and replace pushups with pullups.

Bwhaha!

I laugh at these childlike "fitness" tests!

In the RM you have to pass a Commando fitness test three times a year, involving a 12 mile speed march with webbing, water and weapon, a 30 foot rope climb in kit, then a 3 miler with the last mile and a half in under 10 minutes.

Also, you have to do it on a Friday after going out on the piss on the Thursday, and if anyone in the entire unit dares fail, they are endlessly mocked by the entire camp, before they are forced to re run it on the Monday dressed as a woman.

You are permitted to remove the high heels for the run however.

You call that a fitness test? We do that for fun. 6 miles in 1 hour 15 min with 100 lbs on our back wearing tshirts, trousers and boots while its -10 (Fahrenheit) and snowing. Oh, and the route we marched was almost entirely coated in ice and mostly uphill. And we were just cadets at the time, imagine what we do on active duty

I'm entirely serious btw, I lost most of the toenails on both my big toes and the blisters wouldn't stop bleeding for like 2 days, but it hurt soooooo gooooooooooooooooddddddddd

Monster Rain wrote:They take fat people now. If you show up to Parris Island and can't pass the initial fitness test you go to Physical Conditioning Platoon until you can.

At least, that's how they did it when I enlisted. Not that I had to to to PCP, mind.

Things would chain under a draft though. If we're calling one, we need the shortest possible lead time from recruit to combat ready, you're adding months onto that lead time to train fatties when there is still a pretty large pool of fit able bodied youngsters that would otherwise suffice. If we're at the point where the roughly 20 million men (IIRC) fit for military service in this country are no longer cutting it, gak has hit the fan and we're most likely resorting to desperate actions that would make even Stalin blush.

hmm... seems all I need to do is to gain so much weight I can't move under my own power.

Can't make me exercise if I can't move!

Time to eat a steady diet of 3 buckets of KFC per meal.

I never realized how many stories I have revolving around recruiters but another one (Army this time I believe) I struck up a conversation with a bit ago was talking about how they increased the contracts of several jobs becuase people would just join to get the training and run as soon as they could. The main focus was on MP, but he said others were like that, but that MP went from a 2 or 3 year contract to a 6 year contract. A buddy of mine when he enlisted in the AF went in as an ordinance guy and that was a 6 year contract.

8 yrs as a BlackHawk crewchief. Mandatory of six yrs regardless if reclass or coming off the street. Thats fact not a story. So either a recruiter or reenlistment NCO will show the policies for that. Its true though on people getting the training and beating feet out out. Most will complete their contract while others leave early under Less than Honorable. Which later on will bite them when they apply for a federal contract job through a contract company.

4 yrs as a Forward Observer (2ID and 82nd)
8 Yrs Crewchief for Hawks (101st, 160th, & 82)
2 yrs Admin (Germany attach to the reserve component there)
6 yrs and some change as a Movement Coordinator (82nd and multiple Movement Control Teams)

Jihadin wrote:Thats fact not a story.

The story part is that I, a third party, am relaying to others an encounter I had and the information contained within. It in no way was meant to be construed as an old wives tale, but relating what I was told or had seen.

I also remember on the contract for the guy enlisting in the AF that under Civilian Equivalent it said in nice, big, bold letters "NO CIVILIAN EQUIVALENT". I always thought that was a nice touch.

Horst wrote:hmm... seems all I need to do is to gain so much weight I can't move under my own power.

Can't make me exercise if I can't move!

Time to eat a steady diet of 3 buckets of KFC per meal.

There's always room for an IED tester.

Horst wrote:hmm... seems all I need to do is to gain so much weight I can't move under my own power.

Can't make me exercise if I can't move!

Time to eat a steady diet of 3 buckets of KFC per meal.

Combat water survival training. I toss you in the pool in full kit. You swim and lose wieght, or die.

AustonT wrote:

Horst wrote:hmm... seems all I need to do is to gain so much weight I can't move under my own power.

Can't make me exercise if I can't move!

Time to eat a steady diet of 3 buckets of KFC per meal.

Combat water survival training. I toss you in the pool in full kit. You swim and lose wieght, or die.

Fat is more buoyant than muscle so chances are you could use him as an LSD should he get that large.

halonachos wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Horst wrote:hmm... seems all I need to do is to gain so much weight I can't move under my own power.

Can't make me exercise if I can't move!

Time to eat a steady diet of 3 buckets of KFC per meal.

Combat water survival training. I toss you in the pool in full kit. You swim and lose wieght, or die.

Fat is more buoyant than muscle so chances are you could use him as an LSD should he get that large.

Bolded important part. If he's that big his kit can include a fething anchor

You can add all the weight in the world to him and its possible that they could still float. First you have the fact that he's naturally buoyant then if you do any training in salt water it increases his buoyancy. If his surface area is also large enough then you could sit on him and float.

halonachos wrote:You can add all the weight in the world to him and its possible that they could still float. First you have the fact that he's naturally buoyant then if you do any training in salt water it increases his buoyancy. If his surface area is also large enough then you could sit on him and float.

How many salt water pools do you think the Army operates? And have you ever fallen or jumped into the water in your clothes, let alone fatigues, boots, webbing, and possibly a rubber duck if the training NCO put in the request. Swim is a relative term for "survive". Fat isn't so naturally buoyant that fat people can't drown. It's not magical.

What if he's fat... and a wizard?

I'd bet you'd regret throwing him then!

pretty large pool of fit able bodied youngsters that would otherwise suffice

I actually chuckle on this

Draft the fatties, if you dont and an unpopular war starts people leaving school will 'fast feed' their way out of service. Getting obese is relatively easy compared to how far people went to avoid service in Nam.

Besides:

I don't know but I've been told,
Micro' meals don't taste right cold.
I don't know but it's been said,
Try crackers with a low fat spread.

AustonT wrote:

halonachos wrote:You can add all the weight in the world to him and its possible that they could still float. First you have the fact that he's naturally buoyant then if you do any training in salt water it increases his buoyancy. If his surface area is also large enough then you could sit on him and float.

How many salt water pools do you think the Army operates? And have you ever fallen or jumped into the water in your clothes, let alone fatigues, boots, webbing, and possibly a rubber duck if the training NCO put in the request. Swim is a relative term for "survive". Fat isn't so naturally buoyant that fat people can't drown. It's not magical.

Yes I have, not in fatigues and boots but pants, shirt, and shoes I have. It was part of my water survival test when I was learning how to swim and then later practiced when I started to take sailing lessons. Of course with the sailing lessons we were given life jackets.

Jihadin wrote:

pretty large pool of fit able bodied youngsters that would otherwise suffice

I actually chuckle on this

Alright, well maybe not mentally, and they may not be good to go 'out of the box' but its plenty easier to build muscle and make pussies into professional killers than it is to make people lose weight.

I beg to differ on being a professional killer. Make it sound like I love going on deployments

chaos0xomega wrote:

Jihadin wrote:

pretty large pool of fit able bodied youngsters that would otherwise suffice

I actually chuckle on this

Alright, well maybe not mentally, and they may not be good to go 'out of the box' but its plenty easier to build muscle and make pussies into professional killers than it is to make people lose weight.

Eh...
Physicality isn't the only thing at issue. There's plent of guys who the service and them don't agree, like oil and water. These particular gaks are even more useless than a potentially obese troop. Potentially fixed by labotomy and assignment to the armor branch.

I'm overweight. I think I'd either enlist if we were invaded, or at
the very least, try to burn the fat off when I got drafted.

I'm all for national service.

this

DIDM wrote:this

Law and Order?

I think our obesity problem in America could be fixed with a two to four year mandatory service in the military after high school. As well as fixing a lot of other social problem in the youth and younger generation of a America. I used to be 400 pounds I'm now 235 here is the trick put down the soda and limit fast food trust me it works. fatttys don't need to be

AustonT wrote:

DIDM wrote:this

Law and Order?

UM, Full Metal Jacket, watch it


This is my rifle, this is my gun, one is for war and one is for fun

What's "Full Metal Jacket" about?
Is it a dramedy about young and unrequited love protected by a metal jacket?

AustonT wrote:What's "Full Metal Jacket" about?

It's about a girl in high school who's in love with a vampire.

The fat guy from law and order was in Twighlight?

DIDM wrote:

AustonT wrote:

DIDM wrote:this

Law and Order?

UM, Full Metal Jacket, watch it


This is my rifle, this is my gun, one is for war and one is for fun

"this is for fighting, this is for fun" get it right, jeez.

chaos0xomega wrote:

DIDM wrote:

AustonT wrote:

DIDM wrote:this

Law and Order?

UM, Full Metal Jacket, watch it


This is my rifle, this is my gun, one is for war and one is for fun

"this is for fighting, this is for fun" get it right, jeez.

Get outta here IM trolling this one.