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**porkchop806**

I hear that Brad Pitt's production company is making a movie off the book any body else worried it wont do the book justice

**Coolyo294**

It has running Zombies, IIRC.

**Nerivant**

It's behind schedule, over budget, and I'm beginning to wonder if it will enter development hell.

**porkchop806**

If it has running zombies they just need to grab a gun and take the movie behind the barn and put it down now.

**FITZZ**

porkchop806 wrote:If it has running zombies they just need to grab a gun and take the movie behind the barn and put it down now.

Not 100% sure if the "Running Zombies" have been confirmed...but..IIRC the producers of the film were toying with the idea, and some footage has been shown in which " running zombies" have been shown...
I would assume that if they opt to use running zombies it would be due to Hollywood's notion that most movie goers have the attention span of goldfish and thus must have constant " action" in place of " story".

**porkchop806**

Sometimes I think Hollywood needs a lobotomy.

**FITZZ**

porkchop806 wrote:Sometimes I think Hollywood needs a lobotomy.

Film makers do what they think will make them the most money, and unfortunatly the pursuit of the almighty dollar often kills real creativity.
As a side note, Max Brooks has already stated that he has absolutely nothing to do and no say whatsoever about what will and won't be appearing in this film...basically he sold the movie rights and stepped away from it.
In my personal opinion...I wish he'd have sold the rights to HBO or another cable network and had his book made into a series rather than a film.

**porkchop806**

see that would work do like they did with band of brothers

you my friend are a genius

**LordofHats**

What do people have against running zombies? It's not like something that moves at 5 miles an hour is a conceivable threat to someone who can run... There's a reason I find all the classic zombie films horrendously stupid and it's not just the lack of story as if walking zombie films had much more than any other.

**porkchop806**

Its the fact that you can run but never hide that scares the gak outta people plus fast moving dead things is just absurd. Its already a stretch that there moving in the first place.

**Nerivant**

LordofHats wrote:It's not like something that moves at 5 miles an hour is a conceivable threat to someone who can run...

What? Always being outnumbered and surrounded by something that requires no rest isn't threatening?

**FITZZ**

LordofHats wrote:What do people have against running zombies? It's not like something that moves at 5 miles an hour is a conceivable threat to someone who can run... There's a reason I find all the classic zombie films horrendously stupid.

There are many reasons I prefer shambling zombies to running zombies, not the least of which would be the metaphorical context...but also due to the fact that shambling zombies allow for deeper character development in most cases, while running zombies are more or less an action plot device as far as I'm concerned.

**The Dreadnote**

Nerivant wrote:It's behind schedule, over budget, and I'm beginning to wonder if it will enter development hell.

They are currently (or were recently) filming it, so I'd say it's a fair bet it will actually be released. My cousin's an extra in it.

**LordofHats**

porkchop806 wrote:Its the fact that you can run but never hide that scares the gak outta people

You can run until you're not in a populated area anymore. There's plenty of room out the mid-west still. Or the Rockies

plus fast moving dead things is just absurd. Its already a stretch that there moving in the first place.

Dead things moving at all is absurd, fast or slow. It's more absurd that a slow zombie is some way more scary or less absurd than one that runs.

What? Always being outnumbered and surrounded by something that requires no rest isn't threatening?

I've just never understood this complex so many zombie fans have about walking zombies. Zombies are absurd from the get go, but we accept that. Then the zombies are incapable of moving with any speed and we're somehow supposed to feel threatened by how slowly they move? What because there's a bunch of them? Okay I can get that, but then how is it less scary if they can run? If anything it's scarier because now they don't sleep and they can move just as fast as you can on foot.

The walking zombies purists can have their opinion, I just wish they'd realize their position is senseless. The entire zombie apocalypse scenario is ridiculous. Probably one of the most ridiculous things in fiction but we buy into it because its cool. But the position that a walking zombie is scarier or more realistic than a running zombie doesn't make any sense.

also due to the fact that shambling zombies allow for deeper character development in most cases, while running zombies are more or less an action plot device as far as I'm concerned.

That doesn't really make much sense either. Running or walking, it doesn't really matter how fast the zombies move. You can develop the story either way. Honestly almost all zombie films have crap story lines because the writers know no one is watching zombie movies to be availed of an amazing story. They're watching to see zombies eat people and get their heads blown off.

**Jihadin**

Zombie gooeyness...Walking Dead season 2 and now...this.....just drive my urge to zombie proof my land

**sarpedons-right-hand**

Running zombies worked in 28 Days Later. Though that was more of an action film rather than a slow burning survival horror. As it is, WW Z is a collection of people's experiences just before, during and after the outbreak. Never mentioned Zedheads running as I recall.....Although if the film makes it out of production hell, there are a few scenes that should be awesome. Brooklyn and the very start, in China spring to mind...

**Nerivant**

LordofHats wrote:
I've just never understood this complex so many zombie fans have about walking zombies. Zombies are absurd from the get go, but we accept that. Then the zombies are incapable of moving with any speed and we're somehow supposed to feel threatened by how slowly they move? What because there's a bunch of them? Okay I can get that, but then how is it less scary if they can run? If anything it's scarier because now they don't sleep and they can move just as fast as you can on foot.

The walking zombies purists can have their opinion, I just wish they'd realize their position is senseless.

It's easier to understand a fast, animal-like hunter than a mindless horde shambling towards you.

It's the difference between a live or die, instinctive fear, and a higher level, "humanity is dead, we have no hope" fear.

**LordofHats**

Nerivant wrote:It's easier to understand a fast, animal-like hunter than a mindless horde shambling towards you.

I think it's hard to understand a mindless horde of zombies hungering for human flesh (but not one another) no matter how fast they move.

It's the difference between a live or die, instinctive fear, and a higher level, "humanity is dead, we have no hope" fear.

The irony being that you could achieve both with either slow or fast moving zombies. You can even do both at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive. Nothing says humanity is dead like cities being overgrown and lots of dead people walking around. This is more a problem with zombie movies that are more action and less horror than a problem for how fast zombies can move.

**porkchop806**

Yonkers IS the scene I'm waiting for

**FITZZ**

LordofHats wrote:
porkchop806 wrote:Its the fact that you can run but never hide that scares the gak outta people

You can run until you're not in a populated area anymore. There's plenty of room out the mid-west still. Or the Rockies

plus fast moving dead things is just absurd. Its already a stretch that there moving in the first place.

Dead things moving at all is absurd, fast or slow. It's more absurd that a slow zombie is some way less scary or less absurd than one that crawls along at a snails pace.

What? Always being outnumbered and surrounded by something that requires no rest isn't threatening?

I've just never understood this complex so many zombie fans have about walking zombies. Zombies are absurd from the get go, but we accept that. Then the zombies are incapable of moving with any speed and we're somehow supposed to feel threatened by how slowly they move? What because there's a bunch of them? Okay I can get that, but then how is it less scary if they can run? If anything it's scarier because now they don't sleep and they can move just as fast as you can on foot.

The walking zombies purists can have their opinion, I just wish they'd realize their position is senseless. The entire zombie apocalypse scenario is ridiculous. Probably one of the most ridiculous things in fiction but we buy into it because its cool. But the position that a walking zombie is scarier or more realistic than a running zombie doesn't make any sense.

also due to the fact that shambling zombies allow for deeper character development in most cases, while running zombies are more or less an action plot device as far as I'm concerned.

That doesn't really make much sense either. Running or walking, it doesn't really matter how fast the zombies move. You can develop the story either way. Honestly almost all zombie films have crap story lines because the writers know no one is watching zombie movies to be availed of an amazing story. They're watching to see zombies eat people and get their heads blown off.

What I mean is that the presence of fast zombies often lead to less character development as the focus tends to be placed on " action" over substance...and clearly you watch zombie films for entirely different reasons that I do if your simply watching to see the " money shots".

Also, I don't see ( from an obviously fictional perspective) how fast zombies are " as realistic" as slow zombies, as I would believe that dying would not gift a person with cheetah speed...but rather be a debilitating situation.

IMO, the running zombie is more or less a quick shock device, utilized to elicit a " jump" response from the audiance....YMMV.

**Corpsesarefun**

Fast zombies are an obvious threat, they will quickly find you and kill you unless you are packing some serious military hardware (ala 28 days later). Character development takes time, fast zombies don't allow that much time.

The other thing about slow zombies is that there are only two real ways to die in a slow zombie apocalypse, mistakes (character flaws, see character development) or at the hands of another human being (human interaction is far more interesting that humans being slaughtered by mindless animals) whereas fast zombies can kill you easily at almost any time.

**LordofHats**

FITZZ wrote:What I mean is that the presence of fast zombies often lead to less character development as the focus tends to be placed on " action" over substance...

Most zombie films are action over substance, or rather 'jump scares' over substance. Then there's all the money shots, nudity, etc. No one really tries in zombie movies as far as I can tell and to be honest, I'm not sure what can be done with zombie films other than critique the collapse of human civilization which makes those that do try to deal with more complex themes fairly predictable.

See one zombie movie and you've seen them all.

and clearly you watch zombie films for entirely different reasons that I do if your simply watching to see the " money shots".

TBH I'm not really a fan of zombie films. They're a nice change of pace and all but they're not high on my priority list, mainly because slow or fast, zombie films have crappy story lines and just aren't scary. Its something I can go in and have fun with but never fear. If I tried to be afraid I'd keep wondering why the army hasn't gunned all the zombies down yet (which is an especially big question for slow zombies who are such easy targets).

When it comes to zombies and the army it's plot armor that keeps zombies going 100% of the time, which is partially why the apocalypse scenario is so silly. Except Shaun of the Dead, which is the only zombie movie I like. EDIT: Then again I did like Zombieland too, but that movie never took its content seriously.

**Nerivant**

LordofHats wrote:
See one zombie movie and you've seen them all.

I vehemently disagree with this statement.

**LordofHats**

Nerivant wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
See one zombie movie and you've seen them all.

I vehemently disagree with this statement.

Though I've not seen every zombie movie in existence, I can count those I have seen that make a break from Romero's mold on one hand (And I'm not even including 28 Days Later and other sort-of-zombie movies).

**Nerivant**

LordofHats wrote:
Nerivant wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
See one zombie movie and you've seen them all.

I vehemently disagree with this statement.

Though I've not seen every zombie movie in existence, I can count those I have seen that make a break from Romero's mold on one hand (And I'm not even including 28 Days Later and other sort-of-zombie movies).

What, you mean Romero's evolving zombies?

**LordofHats**

Nerivant wrote:

What, you mean Romero's evolving zombies?

I mean the original Night of the Living Dead structure of zombie films, which probably 75 - 80% of all zombie films I've seen have imitated.

**Nerivant**

LordofHats wrote:
Nerivant wrote:

What, you mean Romero's evolving zombies?

I mean the original Night of the Living Dead structure of zombie films, which probably 75 - 80% of all zombie films I've seen have imitated.

Romero's mold goes a lot further than that.

**sarpedons-right-hand**

If you include the 'zombie like movies', such as the aforementioned 28 Days (weeks) Later, I Am Legend, Rec and Rec 2, then the Zombie movie genre has definitely broken Romeros mould...

**FITZZ**

LordofHats wrote:

See one zombie movie and you've seen them all.

Perhaps, but this statement is applicable to almost any genre film...it's the subtle differences that make each film unique ...obviously Shaun of the Dead is a much different film from Night of the Living Dead, even though both follow certain established scenarios.

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sarpedons-right-hand wrote:If you include the 'zombie like movies', such as the aforementioned 28 Days (weeks) Later, I Am Legend, Rec and Rec 2, then the Zombie movie genre has definitely broken Romeros mould...

I know I'm splitting hairs here...but I don't consider any of those films to be " Zombie" films...as the " hordes" depicted in them are not " zombies" but rather " infected humans" who are still living.

**sarpedons-right-hand**

Hence the phrase 'Zombie Like Movies' Fitzz

In any case, without Romeros vision, none of these movies would have been made. I don't think you splitting hairs old chap!