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Follow the link for the video.

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2011/11/16/video-battle-report-tastey-taste-vs-reecius/

So, the infamous Tastey Taste of Blood of Kittens fame wanted to try out his new Necron list. He is a buddy of ours and hangs out at the shop frequently, so he came by to get a game in.

He and I last battled at a tournament, his Daemons vs. my Footdar. We played a tight game, but the deciding factor was Tastey's GUO's both misshaping. This allowed my Footdar to focus fire his other daemons down and earn the W.

This go around, Tastey Taste knows what my Footdar are capable of, and will plan for it. However, this is his first game with Crons and a list neither of us has seen played before. That, and I have not been playing at all lately due to getting the new store up and running.

What do you guys think? Will the Pointy Ears beat their eons old enemy, or will the Necrons finally smash the pesky Eldar?

Footdar:


Elfzilla 1850pts
Unit Description Size Cost
HQ
Eldrad 1 210
Avatar 1 155

Troops
Rangers 5 95
Dire Avengers 10 120
Dire Avengers 10 120
Guardians S.Cannon 10 85
Jetbikes S.Cannon 3 76

Elites
Harlequins Shadowseer, Kisses x 10 10 250
Fire Dragons Exarch, Pike, Crack Shot 5 115
Fire Dragons Exarch, Pike, Crack Shot 6 131

Fast Attack

Heavy Support
Wraithlord B.Lance, EML 1 155
Wraithlord B.Lance, EML 1 155
War Walkers S.Laser x 6 3 180

Totals 66 1847


Necrons:

HQ
Stormlord
Destroyer Lord, Res Orb, 2+ Save
Cryptek: Solar Pulse

Elites
Triarchs x 10, void blades, particle casters

Troops
Warriors x 5
Immortals x 10
Immortals x 10

Heavy
Monolith
Monolith
Monolith

Coming into the game I felt confident that my Fire Dragons and Wraith Lords could handle the Monoliths. However, if Tastey Taste played aggressively with those Immortals, he could smoke my infantry quickly. Plus, the Monoliths can pump out a ton of flak fire and throw Particle Whips all over the place, so I could be in trouble.

The Traiarchs with Destroyer Lord were a bit of an X factor, as they were very mobile, but I wasn't certain how effective they'd be. I trusted that the Avatar and Harlies could take them down.

I felt that Night Fight would be a slight hinderance, as t meant I would most likely not be able to take early game shots at the Monoliths as we advanced towards each other, but it also meant he would have trouble shooting me until we hit close range.

Mostly though, there were a lot of unknowns with the new book and me being a bit rusty.

What are the Immortals Equipped with? Blasters or Carbines?

I don't think the 5x Warrior squad is going to do anything, except get killed in a round of shooting.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the Praetorians do. I think with a Dlord and an Orb, they will be quite powerful. Interesting choice on the Void Blades and Particle casters though, thought for sure if anyone was going to Use Praetorains, they'd use the Rods.

Looking forward to the Video, that's for sure!

Sasori wrote:
I'm looking forward to seeing how the Praetorians do. I think with a Dlord and an Orb, they will be quite powerful. Interesting choice on the Void Blades and Particle casters though, thought for sure if anyone was going to Use Praetorains, they'd use the Rods.

Looking forward to the Video, that's for sure!

I think he went with voidblades so he could get 2 base attacks. 1 attack per model in combat at I2 is a really risky combat. Can't wait for the report!

The fact that you can now easily kill monoliths with melta weaponry = domination by footdar.

Footdar doesn't care about night-fight. They are a short-mid range shooting army anyways. Immortals are gimped by their rapid-fire gauss blasters as they can only shoot 12" if they move (unless they're taking tesla carbines). Harlequins will sweep any necron unit they come in contact with. I just don't see necrons as having much of a chance in this matchup.

Looking forward to seeing this.

jy2 wrote:The fact that you can now easily kill monoliths with melta weaponry = domination by footdar.

Footdar doesn't care about night-fight. They are a short-mid range shooting army anyways. Immortals are gimped by their rapid-fire gauss blasters as they can only shoot 12" if they move (unless they're taking tesla carbines). Harlequins will sweep any necron unit they come in contact with. I just don't see necrons as having much of a chance in this matchup.

Yeah, but with no delivery mechanism for the Fire dragons, it means they are going to be in the monoliths threat range, long before it's in the Melta Threat range. I'd worry more about the bright lances than the Meltas at first.

I'm not advocating that the triple monolith is good, I'm just saying that in this case the Melta isn't as big of a deal.

Imotekh will also give whichever unit he joins relentless, which will be excellent for a Gauss blaster squad of immortals, since the AP4 will cut through almost everything in the list.

Not saying that Necrons have an easy battle, I just don't think it's as dire as you make it out to be.

I personally am not sure who will win this, I think it'll be a very excellent battle report.

The immortals had gauss blasters, no tesla. They worries me most, honestly.

And the mission was: pitched battle, 5 objectives.

People always underestimate firedragons on foot. They are vulnerable, true, but the exarch with crack shot and firepike hits on a 2, with extra range and ignores cover, which has been huge for me in many games.

Hiwever, one volley of guass blasters, even if i'm in cover, and an entire squad could be toast.

Sasori wrote:Yeah, but with no delivery mechanism for the Fire dragons, it means they are going to be in the monoliths threat range, long before it's in the Melta Threat range. I'd worry more about the bright lances than the Meltas at first.

That's really not a big deal. With a fortuned fire dragon unit that's spread out, the blast will only be hitting at most 3 guys and then they have a 4+ re-rollable cover save. Actually, what's much more dangerous than the fire dragons is Eldrad in the unit of harlequins. That is the unit that will kill just about anything the necron player has in cc and is arguably their most dangerous unit.

I'm not advocating that the triple monolith is good, I'm just saying that in this case the Melta isn't as big of a deal.

You're right. Necrons also have brightlances and 3 monstrous creatures to contend with.

Imotekh will also give whichever unit he joins relentless, which will be excellent for a Gauss blaster squad of immortals, since the AP4 will cut through almost everything in the list.

Not saying that Necrons have an easy battle, I just don't think it's as dire as you make it out to be.

I personally am not sure who will win this, I think it'll be a very excellent battle report.

Personally, I feel bad for the immortals. Guide, Doom, scatter lasers and shuriken catapults will make short work out of them.

I think footdar's got this in the bag, especially under the generalship of Reece. As a matter of fact, I think footdar actually has a good chance to potentially table the necrons in this battle.

That's really not a big deal. With a fortuned fire dragon unit that's spread out, the blast will only be hitting at most 3 guys and then they have a 4+ re-rollable cover save. Actually, what's much more dangerous than the fire dragons is Eldrad in the unit of harlequins. That is the unit that will kill just about anything the necron player has in cc and is arguably their most dangerous unit.

I agree, Harlies are just plain nasty, and will destroy most everything in the Necron list with ease.

You're right. Necrons also have brightlances and 3 monstrous creatures to contend with.

I did mention I thought the Bright lances were going to be a bigger threat at first. the Wraithlords are certainly something to contend with, since the Monolith is so slow. Will probably not take long to get into combat.

Personally, I feel bad for the immortals. Guide, Doom, scatter lasers and shuriken catapults will make short work out of them.

I think footdar's got this in the bag, especially under the generalship of Reece. As a matter of fact, I think footdar actually has a good chance to potentially table the necrons in this battle.

You're probably right, I still the Necrons at least have a chance.

Reecius do you play other eldar lists? And if you do how do you feel footdar performs?

I really don't get Tasty's list...

There isn't a huge degree of point to the Stormlord, as melta kills monoliths, not long-range firepower. I get that they can block LOS to the Praetorians/immortals/lords, but to what end? They really aren't good enough in combat to stand up to anything decent, and the shooting from this list (both anti-infantry and AT) is mediocre at best.

Funnily enough, I think 'Nids will disassemble this list best. The 'Crons really don't have the means to down 3 Trygons + Tyrant, and the monoliths get torn in half in combat. Nids don't even care about night fighting...

But hey, I really would love to be proven wrong. It would truly restore my faith in ingenuity in 40k, and give me real optimism for list-building in the future. But, at the moment... meh.

Yeah, I'm having trouble understanding the 'Cron list. Personally I can't see how it would work against Footdar, but I'm hoping to be proven wrong. Looking forward to what should be an interesting video report.

I hope it's close by some dice insanity, but it does not look good for the robots...

@SMity0305
I do also play a mixed mechdar list, but I just like playing Footdar best. They are may favorite list to play and I find them to be the most enjoyable build for Eldar. Mechdar or mixed mech, is probably more competitive, but I have found only a few match-ups where the Footdar really struggle.

The video will be up shortly, fellas.

Reecius wrote:@SMity0305
I do also play a mixed mechdar list, but I just like playing Footdar best. They are may favorite list to play and I find them to be the most enjoyable build for Eldar. Mechdar or mixed mech, is probably more competitive, but I have found only a few match-ups where the Footdar really struggle.

The video will be up shortly, fellas.

Man, I agree with folks that I think this is gonna go badly for the 'crons. Those Fire Dragons are gonna likely melt the monoliths and then this list loses a ton of its punch. The Necron list has a better chance of the monoliths don't somehow get blown up and are fairly accurate with the particle whips OR he rolls amazingly with Imotekh. I agree that without delivery, the Fire Dragons are hindered, but they have to be priority #1 kill target for the Necron player. I agree that this isn't an auto-loss for Necrons, but certainly he's going to have to play this very carefully to win. Will be interesting to see 3 Monoliths in action.

Looking forward to this to see how the New Necrons perform. I'd agree that footdar will come out on top though.

The battle is up, guys!

Reecius wrote:The battle is up, guys!

Yep. Fire Dragons & Lances owned the monoliths (lots of folks said it). I think he could have done better if he just deployed everything on the table and just got right in Footdar's face with all his firepower.

The monolith seems like its designed now to spearhead your attacks and have other units file in behind it. Go go Eternity Gate! 3 monoliths is probably too much for the table, especially against a strong anti-mech force.

Destroyer Lords are where its at! They are mean, mean, mean. I think had he run a few squads of Wraiths and a Destroyer Lord (or two, omg), this fight could have gone differently.

Praetorians underperform. No real surprise. Voidblade/particle caster praets are anti-mech! Not really a lotta mech on the table for them to take on.

drakkenj wrote:

Reecius wrote:The battle is up, guys!

Yep. Fire Dragons & Lances owned the monoliths (lots of folks said it). I think he could have done better if he just deployed everything on the table and just got right in Footdar's face with all his firepower.

The monolith seems like its designed now to spearhead your attacks and have other units file in behind it. Go go Eternity Gate! 3 monoliths is probably too much for the table, especially against a strong anti-mech force.

Destroyer Lords are where its at! They are mean, mean, mean. I think had he run a few squads of Wraiths and a Destroyer Lord (or two, omg), this fight could have gone differently.

Praetorians underperform. No real surprise. Voidblade/particle caster praets are anti-mech! Not really a lotta mech on the table for them to take on.

He ran a destroyer lord with the praetorians. But ya, I think nick would have done better if he started his whole army on the table.

@drakkenj

Yeah, you said it. I think if he would have played more aggressively, and focused on Harlies and Dragons, he would have done better.

But, we were both learning the list. Nick is a really good player, so I don't doubt our next battle will be different.

That destroyer lord tore me up! He was a lot better than I thought he would be. I think Wraiths are the squad for him, though.

italiaplaya wrote:He ran a destroyer lord with the praetorians. But ya, I think nick would have done better if he started his whole army on the table.

Wraiths and Praetorians serve similar roles, both being JI. Fast-moving assaulty type guys.

Just Wraiths have a few things going for them that competetive players value, that being high damage and effective cost for that damage and decent survivability.

Lots of math-hammer on this. He ran 10 Praetorians with blades/casters, which is 400 points. For that cost he could have run:

5 x Wraith w/ 2 Whip Coils
5 x Wraith w/ 2 Whip Coils

Tack a Destroyer Lord onto one of those squads and you have some pretty hacky JI, that are fearless, ignore terrain. Each 5 puts out 20 S6 rending attacks on a charge. Would do some damage to low toughness Eldar.

That being said, if there was more mech on the table, I think you'd have seen those Praetorians with blades do some damage. But then again, people will say: Why not just run scarabs?

This debate is already molding on the forums though. And I don't want to rehash it!

Looked like a solid game, and I think it really is a great learning opportunity to see what works with Necrons and what does not.

Good battle report!

I think Having the 3 Monoliths was a bit too much, Tasty did really well with the Praetorians and Destroyer lord though! Those seemed to be the MVPS for this battle.

I think Tasty also had some really bad luck as well. The pinning check, 4 failed dangerous terrain tests, etc etc.

Good showing with the Footdar! I don't do as well with Footdar, but I think it's a lot more fun to play than Mechdar.

Looking forward to some more Batreps!

Very good Battle Report, I was not sure if the Cryptek actually got to do anything during the battle.

I totally agree with everyone saying I should have deployed my entire army on the board. (minus the warriors of course), I wanted to try the special powers of the monoliths and I really feared the my lack of scoring units in 5 object game was going to really hurt me. As well I shouldn't of seized, but I just wanted to roll the die hehe.

I couldn't afford to lose immortals to one round of war walker shooting. I also played a Necron rule completely wrong which got corrected, but I wasted an entire turn banking on how I thought it worked.

Oh and I played against Reece one of the best player in country hehe.

Good game both of you! Reserve armies are hit and miss. Against a shooty army, it usually turns out to be a meat grinder.

The Destroyer Lord did surprisingly well for being a CC unit with no invulnerable saves. Then again, he didn't come into contact with the Harlies. It seems like the Destroyer Lord does well against any non-dedicated CC unit.

Like everyone else, I think triple Monoliths are a bit excessive. Perhaps 1 or 2 is enough for strategic reasons, but 3 is excessive.

The Triarchs were awesome. They remind me of the GK Interceptors. They are versatile and could make or break a game.

Thanks for sharing!

Despite my love of footdar I was pulling for the necrons. With that mission it woulda taken some luck though, Reecius had to much support in and around the cluster of objectives. That destroyer lord was doing work though, just think if Ward woulda let them take an invulnerable...

Good luck at TSHFT tasty. I was hoping to make it over but it wasn't in the cards for this time around. Maybe spring.

Awesome report! Looking forward to see more.

Oh and Reecius your Footdar's paintjob is spectacular man, nice army!

Glad you guys like the report! It was a fun game.

One thing about those Triarchs that is good to note, is that they will obliterate Vehicles with their void blades, which is what Tastey brought them for.

I look forward to a rematch, I think next time it will be a lot tougher for me because massed strength 5 just shreds me. However, my War Walkers can erase a squad a turn, and the Harlies, as you guys noted, will wreck literally anything in his army.




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Oh,and thanks, Mr. DK. That is my best painted army, for sure. Our store offers a paint service if you are ever interested in getting some stuff painted.

Awesome report guys. He should have brought the Immortals through the portals when you were talking about them! He could have unloaded on you prior to the Triarch assault and really wrecked face. Great dialog in the report, helps to understand the in-game capabilities of the units. Thanks!

Is that your shop that you are playing in?

That is our shop we are playing in, and as you can see, we still are working on it! Haha, just trying to do a lot of things at once, but next week the shop will be completely done.


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And yeah, he should have played more aggressively with the immortals to try and wax the harlies, I agree.