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Lying liar is given a platform to spin more lies.




It's the only way the Democrats can win in 2012, lie about their record.

Unemployment rate when President Obama took office: 7.8 percent.
Current unemployment rate: 8.6 percent.

"Real" (U-6) unemployment rate when President Obama took office: 14.1 percent.
Current "real" (U-6) unemployment rate: 15.6 percent.

Civilian participation rate when President Obama took office: 65.7 percent.
Current civilian participation rate: 64.0 percent.

"Unemployment is near what it was when he took office and it's dropping"

Obama took office during the down swing of the most massive economic recession in the history of mankind. He's not some black voodoo doctor, get over it biccy. Oh noes, someone mispoke then clarified FIFTEEN SECONDS LATER. I'm still waiting to hear a clarification on that death panel, climate gate, 30 thousand scientists suing al gore, and Yellowcake is a WMD thing.

Keep beating that drum, I suppose, biccat. The beat's not particularly good, but someone's got to admire you for your persistence.

I saw an awful lot of spin, and one instance of blatant deflection, but no lying.

However, it is good to see that biccat continues to willfully misrepresent political statement in order to fit them into his political narrative. Honestly, one would think less effort would be required to simply listen to the words being spoken.

biccat wrote:
It's the only way the Democrats can win in 2012, have a bunch of morons run for the republican candidacy.

Fixed that for you.

ShumaGorath wrote:Obama took office during the down swing of the most massive economic recession in the history of mankind.

I'd hardly call the current recession, "the most massive in the history of mankind"

The Great Depression of the 20's and 30's has it beat by several miles, and that may not even be the worst economic downturn...

WARORK93 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Obama took office during the down swing of the most massive economic recession in the history of mankind.

I'd hardly call the current recession, "the most massive in the history of mankind"

The Great Depression of the 20's and 30's has it beat by several miles, and that may not even be the worst economic downturn...

Recession and Depressions are two different things.

Woot FOX news!. Just a bunch of Right wing bull crap if you ask me. You know Fox news is banned in some countries cause its not classified as news. Their definition of news is that it actually has to be news and not a bunch of bull crap to get the conservatives in office. AND I ENTIRELY AGREE!

This is just sad.

Cheesecat wrote:Recession and Depressions are two different things.

Not really, AFAIK, a depression is just a really big recession...

I agree, recession is pretty much the process to depression.

Recession is a downturn, whereas depression is an extended period of downturn if I remember correctly. It's also generally figured out by the percentage drop of the GDP, if I remember correctly over 10% can be considered a depression while less is just a recession.

This is not news just like Fox News is not news. They habitually lie and say things that are just ridiculous on a daily basis even when not outright lying. There are 10 pages of lies listed on Fact Check . org alone when you search on the key words "Fox News".

Let's not pretend like the rest of main stream media has been a bastion of impeccable, unshaded truth. When you start deciding what is true or not based solely on my opinion, only then will you be free.

Bromsy wrote:When you start deciding what is true or not based solely on my opinion, only then will you be free.

Would that be only if i were free in your opinion, or all the time?

WARORK93 wrote:Not really, AFAIK, a depression is just a really big recession...

A recession is two or more quarters of GDP decline. A recession is what happens when GDP stops contracting, but then doesn't recover.

Typically, you see no recovery in GDP because there's little credit available (as a banking collapse either led to the original decline, or the decline tipped over a heavily leveraged banking sector), or because deflation has set in (if a product will be cheaper tomorrow, it's only sensible to wait until tomorrow to buy it, but if everyone does that no-one is buying, hurting growth, leading to more deflation and so on).


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Bromsy wrote:Let's not pretend like the rest of main stream media has been a bastion of impeccable, unshaded truth. When you start deciding what is true or not based solely on my opinion, only then will you be free.

Are we really going to go through the thing where people explain the difference between other stations saying some things that are dubious, and FOX news giving instructions from management as to how to cover stories in a way that best represents the political party they are attached at the hip to?

Because we do that like every other week.

Yellowcake? WMD? Am I missing something?...If the yellowcake frosting like 2" then I agree but....War on Obesity?

Someone going to bring up Bill O'Reilly Malmedy bit....I so know it

biccat wrote:Lying liar is given a platform to spin more lies.




It's the only way the Democrats can win in 2012, lie about their record.

Unemployment rate when President Obama took office: 7.8 percent.
Current unemployment rate: 8.6 percent.

"Real" (U-6) unemployment rate when President Obama took office: 14.1 percent.
Current "real" (U-6) unemployment rate: 15.6 percent.

Civilian participation rate when President Obama took office: 65.7 percent.
Current civilian participation rate: 64.0 percent.

As the immortal bard once said:





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ShumaGorath wrote:"Unemployment is near what it was when he took office and it's dropping"

Obama took office during the down swing of the most massive economic recession in the history of mankind. He's not some black voodoo doctor, get over it biccy. Oh noes, someone mispoke then clarified FIFTEEN SECONDS LATER. I'm still waiting to hear a clarification on that death panel, climate gate, 30 thousand scientists suing al gore, and Yellowcake is a WMD thing.

I see you're not disagreeing that its a lie.


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infinite_array wrote:

biccat wrote:
It's the only way the Democrats can win in 2012, have a bunch of morons run for the republican candidacy.

Fixed that for you.

True dat.

This guy needs to run. Kilgore for President!




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WARORK93 wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:Recession and Depressions are two different things.

Not really, AFAIK, a depression is just a really big recession...

Its a recession if its the other guy. Its a depression if its YOU.

I see you're not disagreeing that its a lie.

I lie clarified in under the time it takes to comb my hair isn't a very meaningful lie. Once she trucks around with that line for six months and manages to turn 50 million people into blithering idiots who believe it it'll be worthy of "lies that are important coming from fox news".

ShumaGorath wrote:

I see you're not disagreeing that its a lie.

I lie clarified in under the time it takes to comb my hair isn't a very meaningful lie. Once she trucks around with that line for six months and manages to turn 50 million people into blithering idiots who believe it it'll be worthy of "lies that are important coming from fox news".

So you're still not disagreeing that shes lying.

Frazzled wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

I see you're not disagreeing that its a lie.

I lie clarified in under the time it takes to comb my hair isn't a very meaningful lie. Once she trucks around with that line for six months and manages to turn 50 million people into blithering idiots who believe it it'll be worthy of "lies that are important coming from fox news".

So you're still not disagreeing that shes lying.

Nope. People lye all the time. Sometimes on purpose, sometimes on accident. You lie constantly, though I believe it's more from column B. The trick is to spot when a lie is purposeful, malicious, and organized. One DNC representative saying one thing then correcting it seconds later is a waste of my precious brain time. I'm much more concerned when news organizations do things like organize defamation campaigns and pay off aging veterans to lie on camera for half a year about how they saw John Kerry shoot some Asian dudes for fun.

That's the kind of gak you should care about. But that's not your football, and I understand that. You're into the petty stuff.

ShumaGorath wrote:That's the kind of gak you should care about. But that's not your football, and I understand that. You're into the petty stuff.

I'm just satisfied with the little things in life.

In general, I'd go with the definition that the difference between a misstatement* and a lie being the window before correction. If it was never corrected, it would be a lie. If it was corrected by the speaker within a reasonable time (say, 1 minute of it being spoken) I'd call it a misstatement. So, since it was corrected well within that window, I'd feel OK with it being classified as a "misstatement".

I'd also feel pretty comfortable classifying this as a "trial lie", in which a lie is tossed out as a test balloon to see if it is challenged, or not, and upon said challenge, immediately walked back.

So, either one, really.

*I'd also call a misstatement any statement uttered by the speaker that no reasonable person would believe the speaker actually meant or believes. I don't think Obama really thinks there are 57 states, just as I don't believe Bush really knows how hard it is to put "food on your family".

Are you being PAID to be this partisan, Biccat, or is it a natural thing?

Melissia wrote:Are you being PAID to be this partisan, Biccat, or is it a natural thing?

Maybe you should look in the mirror and ask yourself that question.

And before you ask, yes, yes I am, but I'm demanding a raise or I go leftie!

Frazzled wrote:

Melissia wrote:Are you being PAID to be this partisan, Biccat, or is it a natural thing?

Maybe you should look in the mirror and ask yourself that question.

Humorous, considering I've gone on record bashing the dems too for their utter incompetence (especially their wasted time spent as majority) numerous times... less organized than a kindergarten play, and less well spoken too.

Republicans meanwhile are organized enough to get something done, but it's almost invariably the wrong thing, being misled by one extreme or the other instead of taking the moderate view...

Frazzled wrote:
I see you're not disagreeing that its a lie.

I don't mean this offensive's, but what is the lie?

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
I see you're not disagreeing that its a lie.

I don't mean this offensive's, but what is the lie?

She made a highly incorrect statement about unemployment.

Now I know the figure itself is majorly bogus, but thats an entirely separate issue. I just like when poltiical hacks are actually called on their statements (left and right)

Frazzled wrote:

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
I see you're not disagreeing that its a lie.

I don't mean this offensive's, but what is the lie?

She made a highly incorrect statement about unemployment.

Now I know the figure itself is majorly bogus, but thats an entirely separate issue. I just like when poltiical hacks are actually called on their statements (left only)

I fixed this so that it more accurately reflected how you seem to react to these kinds of things.

Frazzled wrote:
She made a highly incorrect statement about unemployment.

Which was?

Frazzled wrote:
Now I know the figure itself is majorly bogus, but thats an entirely separate issue. I just like when poltiical hacks are actually called on their statements (left and right)

Then why are you giving credence to biccat?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
I see you're not disagreeing that its a lie.

I don't mean this offensive's, but what is the lie?

She made a highly incorrect statement about unemployment.

Now I know the figure itself is majorly bogus, but thats an entirely separate issue. I just like when poltiical hacks are actually called on their statements (left only)

I fixed this so that it more accurately reflected how you seem to react to these kinds of things.

Thats not correct. I'm cool with attacking rightwing hacks to. Its easier here because there's lots of you'se guys already doing that.


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Which was?

She said unemployment was lower than when he started. Now she did indeed backtrack when called on it, and "clarified"
I just wish more of these guys were instantly called on their nonsense.

Then why are you giving credence to biccat?

To annoy Shuma.