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2011/12/13 15:44:04
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
Frazzled wrote:
Thats not correct. I'm cool with attacking rightwing hacks to. Its easier here because there's lots of you'se guys already doing that.
Seriously though, what was the lie?
As I said above, I heard lots of spin, and a bit of blatant deflection, but no lying.
Well, we'll just have to disagree on that. I heard someone trying to soft lie (I like that phrase) and backtracked quickly when called on it.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2011/12/13 15:47:10
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
I heard someone miss-speak while someone tries to talk over them, then correct themselves later.
Its like Fox news is infotainment not information... maybe this is why people are worse informed if they watch FOX.... OR it could be the lies are more deviously hidden...
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2011/12/13 15:48:35
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
frgsinwntr wrote:I heard someone miss-speak while someone tries to talk over them, then correct themselves later.
And this is what I heard. I heard someone peddle a lie while someone tries to talk over them, then correct themselves later.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2011/12/13 15:51:00
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
Frazzled wrote:
I see you're not disagreeing that its a lie.
I don't mean this offensive's, but what is the lie?
She made a highly incorrect statement about unemployment.
Now I know the figure itself is majorly bogus, but thats an entirely separate issue. I just like when poltiical hacks are actually called on their statements (left only)
I fixed this so that it more accurately reflected how you seem to react to these kinds of things.
Thats not correct. I'm cool with attacking rightwing hacks to. Its easier here because there's lots of you'se guys already doing that.
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Which was?
She said unemployment was lower than when he started. Now she did indeed backtrack when called on it, and "clarified"
I just wish more of these guys were instantly called on their nonsense.
Then why are you giving credence to biccat?
To annoy Shuma.
I was merely commenting on what appeared to be your general modus operandi.
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2011/12/13 15:52:03
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
Frazzled wrote:
Well, we'll just have to disagree on that. I heard someone trying to soft lie (I like that phrase) and backtracked quickly when called on it.
I feel like we agree on what happened, but disagree on what a lie entails.
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2011/12/13 15:52:08
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
I thought my general modus operandi involved wiener dogs and youtube clips? I sense a rendition of the Wiener Dog Song in your future.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2011/12/13 15:52:50
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
Stop egging him SHuma..some of us haven't. I've no time for mind numbing Emo loving love song on weiners
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2011/12/13 15:59:43
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
Jihadin wrote:Stop egging him SHuma..some of us haven't. I've no time for mind numbing Emo loving love song on weiners
Sorry, what? I was listening to sweet soothing music.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2011/12/13 16:06:11
Subject: Re:Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
Dogma....that made me a bit...cautious....I think I stand a better chance with camel a$$ on a stick kabobs
Fraz.......>< dang you
I see a lot of Haterade being consumed this morning for Fox
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2011/12/13 16:18:38
Subject: Re:Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
As I said above, I heard lots of spin, and a bit of blatant deflection, but no lying.
"Unemployment has gone up precipitously since he took office."
"That is simply not true."
Your takeaway depends on how literally you interepret statement A.
Most literal possible interpretation: When Obama took office, it was 7.6 percent. It went as high as 10.2 percent (which makes statement A technically accurate by an reasonable means - it has gone up precipitously, 3 full points, past tense, since he took office). Under this interpretation, it would be a lie.
The less literal interpretation: When Obama took office, it was 7.6 percent. It is now 8.6 percent. Is a 1 point increase "precipitous"? Your answer to that is whether or not it was a lie.
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2011/12/13 16:30:51
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
As I said above, I heard lots of spin, and a bit of blatant deflection, but no lying.
"Unemployment has gone up precipitously since he took office."
The big one, obviously is "you just said that the unemployment rate has gone up since he took office and it hasn't"
Under a reasonable interpretation of the facts, an unemployment rate of 7.6 (January '09) is less than 8.6 today. Even the 8.6% rate we're at today isn't really due to an increase in jobs, instead it's due to a decrease in job seekers. The unemployment data was pretty depressing last month.
There's a valid argument that the situation is worse now than it was in '09, but I think that's a tough argument to make. Essentially the President's argument is "the other guy is worse than I am," because there's very little, economically, that the President can run on. That argument works when things are getting better, but it's a pretty hard sell when things are stagnant or getting worse.
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2011/12/14 02:00:40
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
frgsinwntr wrote:I heard someone miss-speak while someone tries to talk over them, then correct themselves later.
Its like Fox news is infotainment not information... maybe this is why people are worse informed if they watch FOX.... OR it could be the lies are more deviously hidden...
As well as the not maths in the image, it also shows up a classic trick of the Lying Fox News Channel, when you have no evidence to support your claim, just talk about how lots of people believe it is true.
The massive email hacks undertaken by industry interests (something no-one seemed to care about) uncovered no evidence of falsified reports, though the media at large pretended otherwise when the story broke. In the wake of this, FOX didn't run any reports pointing out that the scientists came out clean, it just talks about how people believe there was falsified information.
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2011/12/14 02:38:12
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
biccat wrote:
The big one, obviously is "you just said that the unemployment rate has gone up since he took office and it hasn't"
Under a reasonable interpretation of the facts, an unemployment rate of 7.6 (January '09) is less than 8.6 today. Even the 8.6% rate we're at today isn't really due to an increase in jobs, instead it's due to a decrease in job seekers. The unemployment data was pretty depressing last month.
There's a valid argument that the situation is worse now than it was in '09, but I think that's a tough argument to make. Essentially the President's argument is "the other guy is worse than I am," because there's very little, economically, that the President can run on. That argument works when things are getting better, but it's a pretty hard sell when things are stagnant or getting worse.
Wait, where in this missive is biccat defending his assertion that the DNC representative lied?
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2011/12/14 19:34:22
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
frgsinwntr wrote:I heard someone miss-speak while someone tries to talk over them, then correct themselves later.
Its like Fox news is infotainment not information... maybe this is why people are worse informed if they watch FOX.... OR it could be the lies are more deviously hidden...
As well as the not maths in the image, it also shows up a classic trick of the Lying Fox News Channel, when you have no evidence to support your claim, just talk about how lots of people believe it is true.
The massive email hacks undertaken by industry interests (something no-one seemed to care about) uncovered no evidence of falsified reports, though the media at large pretended otherwise when the story broke. In the wake of this, FOX didn't run any reports pointing out that the scientists came out clean, it just talks about how people believe there was falsified information.
Thats a skill they've mastered... getting peolple to believe lies without saying them
2011/12/14 19:41:18
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
frgsinwntr wrote:I heard someone miss-speak while someone tries to talk over them, then correct themselves later.
Its like Fox news is infotainment not information... maybe this is why people are worse informed if they watch FOX.... OR it could be the lies are more deviously hidden...
As well as the not maths in the image, it also shows up a classic trick of the Lying Fox News Channel, when you have no evidence to support your claim, just talk about how lots of people believe it is true.
The massive email hacks undertaken by industry interests (something no-one seemed to care about) uncovered no evidence of falsified reports, though the media at large pretended otherwise when the story broke. In the wake of this, FOX didn't run any reports pointing out that the scientists came out clean, it just talks about how people believe there was falsified information.
Thats a skill they've mastered... getting peolple to believe lies without saying them
The easiest and cheapest way to lie to the masses is to imply a mistruth without stating it directly. It's legal and the people are too stupid to see whats happening.
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2011/12/14 19:42:43
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
frgsinwntr wrote:I heard someone miss-speak while someone tries to talk over them, then correct themselves later.
Its like Fox news is infotainment not information... maybe this is why people are worse informed if they watch FOX.... OR it could be the lies are more deviously hidden...
THIS JUST IN!
110% of people have an opinion!
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2011/12/14 20:36:03
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
frgsinwntr wrote:I heard someone miss-speak while someone tries to talk over them, then correct themselves later.
Its like Fox news is infotainment not information... maybe this is why people are worse informed if they watch FOX.... OR it could be the lies are more deviously hidden...
THIS JUST IN! 110% of people have an opinion!
With an error of +10%?....it equals 120
Oh and a there is a detailed explanation on factcheck.org.
Out of curiosity (I know it is not empirical just a funny thing to do) type in fox news on fact checks website 517 listings, msnbc 149. I wonder what the ratio is for fact/error. Those numbers change, I got different numbers the other day but they were in the same ballpark. That is a bit off topic, so on to the OT. If someone misspoke then corrected themselves is it still a lie or an error? Also the wording of the fox reporter was decidedly slanted, is 1% increase really precipitously? I think anyone sitting in the seat across from the reporter would be quick to refute the postition as it was presented.
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2011/12/14 20:38:45
Subject: Re:Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
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2011/12/14 20:41:09
Subject: Re:Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2011/12/14 22:11:44
Subject: Re:Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2011/12/14 22:15:02
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2011/12/15 00:23:32
Subject: Lies? On MY Fox? It's more likely than you might think
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