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2012/01/17 17:40:50
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
Just wondering if it's worth shelling out for a trip to the cinema?
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2012/01/17 19:05:22
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
corpsesarefun wrote:Also heard good things about it, sadly it features Benedict Cumberbatch with straight blonde hair
He's pretty hot as a blond or brunet, surely.
Back on topic, the reviews are giving 3/5 to 4/5.
The overall buzz is that the beginning and end are Spielberg schmaltz, and the middle is really good, with some fabulous shots.
It comes from a children's book though, so has to have a happy ending so Spielberg can't be blamed.
One reviewer reckoned it added nothing to the stage play, however we couldn't all go to see that. If the play was good, it just means Spielberg wasn't able to add to it, only translate it to the cinema.
I saw the stage play, and that was indeed excellant. Had almost the entire audience damp eyed.
The use of the... puppet or costume for the horse looked odd as anything initially but 5 mins and you forgot all about it and just went with the flow.
.. so, I can recommend the play, if you get the chance. Personally I can wait for the DVd/Tv showing of the film.
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2012/01/17 21:41:57
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
Joey wrote:A horse running around for a while...can anyone enlighten me as to why it's gotten rave reviews? Sounds like a boring POS.
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2012/01/17 23:52:01
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
It looks like Oscar bait...
Though watching a horse run about in no man's land looks entertaining...
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2012/01/18 00:36:16
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
A friend of mine saw it, said it was a very "girly" sort of horsey film... Not about war and it's horrors, and the part that horses played in the Great War.
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2012/01/18 01:09:06
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
I saw it and I loved it. The structure of the film is for a horse to pass from owner to owner, each telling a short vignette about how a different. Contrary to some of the nonsense you hear from internet people, this is not the story of a horse dashing about being heroic and winning a war, it's a horse doing what it's told by it's various masters, most of whom meet a rather grisly fate. The bit they show in the preview of the horse running through no man's land is about three minutes out of the whole movie, and the horse does that because the artillery company it was serving run into a tank, and the horse freaked the feth out.
Did a decent job of showing the war devolve from professional army units looking to decisive action, to two increasingly demoralised armies fighting across stagnant lines.
Joey wrote:A horse running around for a while...can anyone enlighten me as to why it's gotten rave reviews? Sounds like a boring POS.
This is a bit like describing Lord of the Rings as hobbits walking about for a while. It's kind of a clever summary, as long as you don't actually think about how little of the film actually involves showing hobbits walking. Or about movies in general really, because it should be really obvious that a film can use one thing to talk about all kinds of other things. It can, for instance, tell the story of a horse taken off to a war and use that to tell the story of a number of people caught up in that war.
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2012/01/18 03:28:52
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
Joey wrote:A horse running around for a while...can anyone enlighten me as to why it's gotten rave reviews? Sounds like a boring POS.
So do you, frankly. Cheer the feth up, man. It seems like you constantly drip about everything.
Is there anything you actually are enthusiastic about?
Thank you for saying that, we were all thinking it.
Indeed.. twos up on going for a pint with Joey. It would be less depressing spending two weeks watching Schindlers list on loop in a cess pit apartment with Elliot Smith, Heath Ledger and Gary Speed.
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2012/01/18 03:32:35
Subject: Re:Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
So, In a nutshell, it's setimental claptrap. I'm surprised nobody posted this:
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2012/01/18 03:46:26
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
How much of the movie is the "Saving Private" part versus the "Seabiscuit" part? If I see it its for some grisly world war 1 trench warfare action, not for the lovey-dovey crap...
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2012/01/18 05:02:53
Subject: Re:Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:So, In a nutshell, it's setimental claptrap. I'm surprised nobody posted this:
No, it isn't.
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chaos0xomega wrote:How much of the movie is the "Saving Private" part versus the "Seabiscuit" part? If I see it its for some grisly world war 1 trench warfare action, not for the lovey-dovey crap...
What an odd way of looking at it. I mean, most of the film is set during the war, so I guess it's more Saving Private, but then a fair bit of that time is spent with a French civilian family who are trying to survive despite local militaries coming to claim their produce, so maybe that's more Seabiscuit or something.
Nor is there any of the graphic bodyparts flying everywhere war is so hardcore stuff kids like so much, instead it just gets you to know people and worry over whether or not they'll live, so whether that's Saving Private or Seabiscuit I don't know.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/01/18 06:58:23
Subject: Re:Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
I honestly liked the movie. It wasn't ott like other Spielberg movies, and it had a good message. I've never seen the play, so I can't really compare it to that.
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2012/01/18 07:21:36
Subject: Re:Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
chaos0xomega wrote:How much of the movie is the "Saving Private" part versus the "Seabiscuit" part? If I see it its for some grisly world war 1 trench warfare action, not for the lovey-dovey crap...
What an odd way of looking at it. I mean, most of the film is set during the war, so I guess it's more Saving Private, but then a fair bit of that time is spent with a French civilian family who are trying to survive despite local militaries coming to claim their produce, so maybe that's more Seabiscuit or something.
Nor is there any of the graphic bodyparts flying everywhere war is so hardcore stuff kids like so much, instead it just gets you to know people and worry over whether or not they'll live, so whether that's Saving Private or Seabiscuit I don't know.
Well, I mean, I'm not really interested in the plotline, I mean I'll watch it (and perhaps be pleasantly surprised) but if I go to see it its for the purposes of it being a pseudo war-film
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2012/01/18 07:50:42
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
It kind of seems from what I read here to be a type of Black Beauty/White Fang kind of show with the animal going through different types of owners. Am I right?
It looks like an interesting show.
2012/01/19 03:23:48
Subject: Re:Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
WARORK93 wrote:In the theatre I was in the ending credits got a pretty good applause...
It was a decent movie, lots of predictability but there were some rather well done scenes...
You know, I don't know the problem with a film being predictable. "We're making this kind of movie, we all know the things that happen in these kinds of movies, and we're going to focus on telling you each part as well as we can" is good way to go about making a movie.
On the other hand, I'm more than a little bored with scripts that are so fixated on wowing the audience with plot twists they undercut the entire point of the movie.
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chaos0xomega wrote:Well, I mean, I'm not really interested in the plotline, I mean I'll watch it (and perhaps be pleasantly surprised) but if I go to see it its for the purposes of it being a pseudo war-film
Pseudo war movie? It's about people in a war. It's a war movie.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/01/19 07:07:56
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
The movie is really about how people and families deal with each other and with war. Kids that ended up serving in the army, then just try to survive. Civilians dealing with armies that take what they can. Commanders getting attached to their troops, trying to protect them. How armies dealt with the reality of trench warfare.
The horse does serve as a bit of an emotional tear jerker, but the main purpose of the horse is to tie all the individual stories together into one cohesive story.
2012/01/19 07:49:06
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
dogma wrote:Whenever I see the advertisements for this I begin calculating the time it will take for the pornographic film Warwhores to be made.
Or even worse: Whorehorse...
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2012/01/19 09:02:41
Subject: Anybody seen Saving Private Seabiscuit AKA Warhorse?
WARORK93 wrote:In the theatre I was in the ending credits got a pretty good applause...
It was a decent movie, lots of predictability but there were some rather well done scenes...
You know, I don't know the problem with a film being predictable. "We're making this kind of movie, we all know the things that happen in these kinds of movies, and we're going to focus on telling you each part as well as we can" is good way to go about making a movie.
On the other hand, I'm more than a little bored with scripts that are so fixated on wowing the audience with plot twists they undercut the entire point of the movie.
I have to agree.
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Whether these are purely cultural constructs is irrelevant to western cinema since we are exposed to such conventions practically from birth.
Thus the cinema audience has a shared "language" of film without which the director may find it hard to tell an intelligible story.