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Just seen these on the Forgeworld website - haven't seen them mentioned anywhere:

Forgeworld wrote:



The cruel and malign race of Chaos Dwarfs, who refer to themselves as the Dawi Zharr, long ago abandoned the ancient Dwarf gods they once worshipped, and pledged themselves wholly to Hashut, the Father of Darkness. Now they no longer value the old ways of their noble and honourable kin and instead covert strength and power above all else, seeing other living creatures as chattels to be used and discarded in their brutal forge-citadels which dominate the Plain of Zharr.

Models designed by Thais Mariblanca Lopez and Steve Whitehead, comprises three highly detailed and characterful resin models. The wonderfully sculpted figures in this set represent a Sorcerer-Prophet, Daemonsmith and Infernal Castellan.

Seen here

I like them, and it makes we really wish GW would release them as a proper army, with full plastic support...

Dare to dream!

Alpharius wrote:I like them, and it makes we really wish GW would release them as a proper army, with full plastic support...

Dare to dream!

I'd hate to shoot your dream down Alpharius, but more than extremely unlikely now Forgeworld has near full model support. Really doubt GW will touch them in the slightest.

Until closer inspection it looked as if the first one was bearing grapes very menacingly.

I agree with Caeorron, now FW have chaos dwarf, we'd be more likely to see an araby or Cathay army by GW.....

although..... they could both be future FW armies.....

Those Chaos Dwarfs look very good. I'm afraid for the fragile parts though; being made from resin they are almos guarantied to snap of eventually.

ceorron wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I like them, and it makes we really wish GW would release them as a proper army, with full plastic support...

Dare to dream!

I'd hate to shoot your dream down Alpharius, but more than extremely unlikely now Forgeworld has near full model support. Really doubt GW will touch them in the slightest.

Its been said that GW has told FW, for no apparent reason, to cease further Chaos Dwarf developement. Everything being released is stuff that's been done for a while, or is common to both Tamurakhan and Montrous Arcana. After that nothing. People have speculated on why GW would hand down such orders.

aka_mythos wrote:[. People have speculated on why GW would hand down such orders.

My vote is that it is GW being GW and nothing remotely associated with a "plan".

Alpharius wrote:I like them, and it makes we really wish GW would release them as a proper army, with full plastic support...

Dare to dream!

Mantic has a nice line of Chaos dwarfs that I like : ). That in mind, does forgeworld have the rules for them yet?

aka_mythos wrote:

ceorron wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I like them, and it makes we really wish GW would release them as a proper army, with full plastic support...

Dare to dream!

I'd hate to shoot your dream down Alpharius, but more than extremely unlikely now Forgeworld has near full model support. Really doubt GW will touch them in the slightest.

Its been said that GW has told FW, for no apparent reason, to cease further Chaos Dwarf developement. Everything being released is stuff that's been done for a while, or is common to both Tamurakhan and Montrous Arcana. After that nothing. People have speculated on why GW would hand down such orders.

Who has said that?

Aye nice figs, nice to see Forgeworld is going on a sorta compromise between the 'chaos armour' style and the 'big hats' style.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Aye nice figs, nice to see Forgeworld is going on a sorta compromise between the 'chaos armour' style and the 'big hats' style.

IMO their hats aren't silly enough. Chaos dwarf society is based on how silly you can make your hat.

Kanluwen wrote:Who has said that?

I'll go and see if I can find the exact quote somewhere, but over on Chaos Dwarf Online... one poster spoke with the FW guys at GD and was told as much. That it looks like FW is releasing Bull Centaurs, and both Kdaii through Monstrous Archana. They also said there were wolf riders but that those are on hold until GW redoes the plastic wolves. Beyond that, these 3 heroe models are the last of what FW did specifically for Chaos Dwarfs.

Looks good, although with so much detail and texture on them, without a paintjob you don't really get a strong idea of what the Chaos Dwarf range has as potential... I really find they should invest the time into painting their models again, I know it cuts turnaround time etc, but I can't shake the feeling it would be better for them in the longrun. It would take this kind of new letter from, 'Oh... cool.' to 'Oh Cool!'

That and where is my 40k stuff at??? I have an itch to add to my collection of NIB FW models lol, and the teasers looked really cool back in Dec!

aka_mythos wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Who has said that?

I'll go and see if I can find the exact quote somewhere, but over on Chaos Dwarf Online... one poster spoke with the FW guys at GD and was told as much. That it looks like FW is releasing Bull Centaurs, and both Kdaii through Monstrous Archana. They also said there were wolf riders but that those are on hold until GW redoes the plastic wolves. Beyond that, these 3 heroe models are the last of what FW did specifically for Chaos Dwarfs.

I only ask, because this is what Forge World has said they've had planned for awhile now.

Not because of anything that GW told them to do, but rather because they recognize that for anyone wanting to make a Chaos Dwarf it would be wildly impractical for Fantasy and potentially would be a bad business move on their part because interest expressed does not necessarily mean purchases made.

Kanluwen wrote:Not because of anything that GW told them to do, but rather because they recognize that for anyone wanting to make a Chaos Dwarf it would be wildly impractical for Fantasy and potentially would be a bad business move on their part because interest expressed does not necessarily mean purchases made.

That's a pretty fantastic point, Kan. I mean, folks are already complaining about how much a Fantasy army costs in relation to a 40k army. The cost to purchase a full Chaos Dwarf army from FW would be so high that few would be able to afford it - and if few are able to afford it, then it's probably not worth the outlay to produce them.

The CDs are a full army, sure I'd love them to make regular warriors and hobgoblins but there isn't much else from the original army lists that doesn't have an equivilent in the FW range, it may be smaller than the other armies from main GW but what can you do. I think we CD lovers should be happy with how much we've got/are getting now, our persistance has paid off with Infernal Guard, amazing warmachines and plenty of monsters.

Hobgoblins could easily be produced by FW seperately so we shouldn't count them out yet.

Really at this point I think it's about time FW focus on making things for the ranges they have yet to touch, Tomb Kings, Lizardmen, Orcs and Goblins, Zoats, more Fimir and the like

Sure I love CDs, and would love to see more, but I am satisfied at this point

Just so long as if they stop CDs they don't start doing Chaos, expecially not Khorne and Nurgle

Here's hoping for an enormous Dinosaur, Treeman or Squig next week, or a Zoat/Fimir

I agree. I'm very satisfied. I was merely passing along what I heard.

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Not because of anything that GW told them to do, but rather because they recognize that for anyone wanting to make a Chaos Dwarf it would be wildly impractical for Fantasy and potentially would be a bad business move on their part because interest expressed does not necessarily mean purchases made.

That's a pretty fantastic point, Kan. I mean, folks are already complaining about how much a Fantasy army costs in relation to a 40k army. The cost to purchase a full Chaos Dwarf army from FW would be so high that few would be able to afford it - and if few are able to afford it, then it's probably not worth the outlay to produce them.

Few could afford it all at once. Us Chaos Dwarf players are lucky in one way, that FW wrote the rules such that its a relatively low model count army. One of the basic units players are fielding is a 27 model unit of Infernal Guard with great weapons... with a Castellan. The Castellan is 150 pts and the 27 IG are 470pts. Yes that costs ~$200, but its more than 1/4 of your army. If you take fireglaives thats becomes a 600pt unit without the character. You fill out your artillery with 2 deathshriekers and 2 magma cannons and thats 500pts. A sorcerer prophet on a mount is close to 500pts, that'd be $100. So you're at $500 and 3/4 of an army. If you're price concious at that point pick up a Hellcannon and some goblins to fill out the army. That'd give you a $600 army for 2000pts. My Imperial Guard for 40k, with all their vehicles would cost nearly as much if I bought it all at once, now.

I can save you the time Mythos.

Alan Merrett said it to Tony Cottrell. I forget whether this was a 'public' conversation that was overheard or a private one.

GW will never ignore anything FW does that is making a lot of money.

I think that these new dwarves are great and compared to finecast are very good value. Three personality figures for £18 is a steal even compared to the excellent plastic hero clampacks.

As for holding off, I'm still baffled by it but it might even have been a prior agreement that Warhammer Forge were allowed to have a go to see if the interest is really there. After which the Chaos Dwarves could be put among the 'mini' army supplement that has been rumoured. After all, the army list in Tamurkhan isn't given as a 'definitive' list but as a list from a fortress far away from the Chaos Dwarf capital. GW could still do a list from there with a different flavour but I've no idea where it would fit in their schedule.

Bloodwin wrote:I think that these new dwarves are great and compared to finecast are very good value. Three personality figures for £18 is a steal even compared to the excellent plastic hero clampacks.

As for holding off, I'm still baffled by it but it might even have been a prior agreement that Warhammer Forge were allowed to have a go to see if the interest is really there. After which the Chaos Dwarves could be put among the 'mini' army supplement that has been rumoured. After all, the army list in Tamurkhan isn't given as a 'definitive' list but as a list from a fortress far away from the Chaos Dwarf capital. GW could still do a list from there with a different flavour but I've no idea where it would fit in their schedule.

From what I understood the list in Taurkhan was bassicly more of a sort of temple honor guard. But yah. either way the point is not the main Chaos Dwarf army. All I know is I've just recently broke and ordered some infernal gaurd, but my heart still wheeps for basics chaos dwarf warriors in silly hats. XD

I dislike how forgeworld and alot of 3rd party componies seem to be obsessed with trying to "de-silly" the chaos dwarf hats. In all honesty I think the hats were the charm about the army.

Grimstonefire wrote:I can save you the time Mythos.

Alan Merrett said it to Tony Cottrell. I forget whether this was a 'public' conversation that was overheard or a private one.

GW will never ignore anything FW does that is making a lot of money.

Thanks. And that is so true. Its no surprise GW would take note... especially if what I heard was true. This came from a redshirt who said he heard it from a regional manager, but CD sold something on the order of 3 to 4 times what FW was expecting. Lots of salt, but nice to imagine that CD Online propelled FW's sales to the point GW noticed.

So, does that mean GW doing chaos dwarfs is a possibility in the future? Does it have anything to do with the not-too-distant regular Dwarfs release?

They're beautiful, but too pricey to make an army out of... the one outlined above is cool but seems to include only one real unit of "chaos dwarfs"...

I'm sure one could combine some of the Mantic figures with the FW ones and have a nice looking, fleshed out CD army.

RiTides wrote:So, does that mean GW doing chaos dwarfs is a possibility in the future? Does it have anything to do with the not-too-distant regular Dwarfs release?

It's a distinct possiblity, FW CDs have sold extrodinarily well, far beyond their expectations according to every source in GW and FW that has been spoken to to my knowledge. Also since the Tamurkhan list is based specifically one one sect of Chaos Dwarfs they could easily do a totally different list in a similar or different flavore for regular GW, similar to how there are Cadian IG on GW and then Death Corps of Krieg on FW. Throw in the fact regular GW isn't ignoring CDs and letting only FW deal with them, what with the Lammasu, Greater Tauros and Dreadfleet Mecha-Kraken it adds credience to the possiblity

Also the FW CDs are models that don't really make up a full army on their own, lets compare them to the newest army, Ogre Kingdoms (Note that if there are multiple models with the same rules I'll count that as one thing, also note I don't own Tamurkhan the book):

OK:
10 Lords/Hero Choices including 4 named characters
4 Troop Choices
4 Special Choices
6 Rare Choices

FW CDs:
3 Lords/Hero Choices (Including the limited edition Hellsmith)
1 Troop Choice
5 Huge Warmachines
Four Large Monsters

That's including K'Daii, K'Daii Destroyers and Bull Centaurs, but no Hobgoblins since they could easily be seperate and the Seige Giant since it's available in regular Chaos armies just as much. Now that is a big difference, particularily in troops, yeah I admit you can choose between Fireglaives and their combat choices, but their still basically the same unit, just with an upgrade. Also if you look at that, out of the thirteen different things, nine were basically 'big' FW stuff, which couldn't really translate to regular GW without a redisign (e.g. Bale Tauros or Skullcracker).

So if GW did decide to do a Chaos Dwarf army book that wasn't based around one army of the evil little stunties they could easily make an entire new range of CDs without touching on the FW models (aside from Bull Centaurs due to them being a staple in CDs). Add in that since the FW sold amazingly well they'd probably sell great too, and that if you introduced a cheaper basic troop than the Infernal Guard people would probably snap that up to fill up their FW CD armies or even consider starting one when they wouldn't have before due too cost. Yeah it makes a lot of sense for GW to do this.

Something also worth note was not only did they not make any figures for basic foot troops, they didn't even make rules for them, take that however you want but to me that kind of suggests that they're not doing it so as not to clash with GW's rules for them if that ever happens.

Will they do it? Well unless their already working on it we won't know for a long time, especailly with the rumored 6th edition of 40k and several other army books supposedly in the works.

It's a shame the contingents rumor doesn't seem to be happening though, if anything that would have been a brilliant way to bring our lovely little sorcerous beardies back in force

The reason FW didn't do "basic troops" was simply because they knew they would have to either do one of two things:

1) Alter how they package the Chaos Dwarf Warriors, meaning you'd get a whole regiment for the pricetag of a squad of Guardsmen.

or

2) Make a conversion kit for the plastic Dwarfs.

They didn't want to do #2, and couldn't justify #1--so we got an "elite" force.

It will be interesting to see if there is a way they could do replacement parts for the new (rumoured) ironbreakers when they do the new dwarf book.

I know it's incomprehensible that GW would do it, but they could do a book where GW studio do the core and FW do everything else.

Help me out here!

Do we think that the success (?!?) of the FW Chaos Dwarf miniature line has caused GW to possibly consider making them a new army, in plastic?!?

Please?!?

Your guess is as good as mine.

I only know that FW have done a fair bit of conceptual work and already got a lot more CD material that didn't make it into tamurkhan.

So presumably they will want to make another book at some point. If GW want to do a plastic set I'm sure it would sell nicely.

I'd say FW's success with CD has made GW at least think about doing something. GWs design studio are like the fans they feed off of the hype and build armies that interest them. CD had zero hype and were on such a far back burner because there wasn't anyone in the design studio with a vested interest. Something like FW's CD has deffinitely created interest and hopefully someone in the design studio to champion them.