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What if GW created a pre heresy version of 40K? I mean yes primarchs would be OP but hey we lost sooooo much to the horus heresy and besides wouldnt you want to see the masses arise and demolish everything in the wake?

Yeah, a version where you just have Marine on Marine fighting...waaaaait a second

Screw Warhammer 30k and gimme the Unification Wars.

So make warhammer 40k only make it even more marinehammer. Gotcha. Sound almost as fun as watching paint dry.

Perhaps a supplement (or series of supplements) allowing for additions to armies from days gone by. Technology or characters (such as Primarchs) for the Imperium would only be one aspect of it. You could have all sorts of things that are gone from the Eldar, from lost and forgotten gods of Chaos, or from worlds or civilizations that have since been wiped out. I'd like it.

See this isnt meant to be only marines. Besides for all you chaos heads wouldnt you like your primarch to be backing you up? Or not have to pay like 50 bills just to get a pre heresy marine? I already have a pre heresy iron warriors army but I am often told to feeld it as chaos or as regular space marines.

My favorite army is the Imperial Guard, which doesnt exsist in warhammer 30k. Sure there is the Imperial Army, but its not the same.

Id like to see something similar to the IA books for a 30k setting. I think it could be alot of fun. Having some more old school models to go with them would be nice aswell!

I like my Heresy era stuff as interesting background. Honestly, I find the fascination with pre-heresy armies a bit baffling. I can't see the attraction. Sure, it's grown to be the defining moment in 40K history, but theres heaps of other interesting stuff out there that hasn't already been done to death.

The thing about the Great Crusade/Heresy background (the interesting bit at least that isn't the warfare and Space Marine stuff) is the general exploration of the setting and enviorment. Stuff like the REmembrancers, the Iterators, the LEctito Divinatus, etc.

ITs a different setting, enviroment, and atmosphere. I think rather than being just war it would work far better as an RPG setting (or maybe something like Necromunda.) where there is a chance to explore and playin the sandbox setting of the Great Crusade. Focusing on just going around and purging planets would be dull.

This i true. I think it has alot to do with the fact that the HH series is still going strong, the primarchs are awesome and the original legions are all quite interesting.

I do agree that there are alot of other things in the 40k setting that i would like to be fleshed out.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:My favorite army is the Imperial Guard, which doesnt exsist in warhammer 30k. Sure there is the Imperial Army, but its not the same.

It's actually almost exactly the same. The only real difference is that top brass can no longer hold command over both ground and space assets, and seeing as there's so real way to represent that difference on the tabletop (apart from maybe special rules and the like), an Imperial Army force would look and play almost identically to an IG one, I reckon.

It would be cool, but I play gk which weren't around until later in the hh, and even then they didn't do anything

The Eldar didn't really do a lot during the Heresy-era except get the hell out of Humanity's way. None of the Necrons were awake yet. The Tyranid hadn't arrived. The Tau had yet to be discovered. The Orks put up a good fight, but until the actual Heresy got underway, were getting pushed out of system after system. The Great Crusade was, in a sense, very much a Golden Age for the Imperium, compared to what would come after.

I would love to see the marine lines in 40k reduced to loyalist and chaos then bring out a 30k line with an entirely separate rule set where every legion gets their own codex.

jonolikespie wrote:I would love to see the marine lines in 40k reduced to loyalist and chaos then bring out a 30k line with an entirely separate rule set where every legion gets their own codex.

That is over kill. If you look at the former chaos (MWAHAHAHA) codex you will see special rules for like iron warriors, alpha legion, and even the word bearers.
Just give each chapter/legion one or two specil rules and a unit to there legion/chapter.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:My favorite army is the Imperial Guard, which doesnt exsist in warhammer 30k. Sure there is the Imperial Army, but its not the same.

I don't see how they'd be functionally any different.

It'd be nice to see a couple of boxes that could be used to represent the older marks of Astartes armour, that would be really useful for all the power armour forces for adding flavour to squads and for conversions. I'm not sure we need a whole new game system though. An expansion to 40k to allow 30k flavoured games would be cool though.

Primarchs wouldn't be OP if they were priced correctly. Not as many xeno races were known to humanity at the time, so it would basically be Marines vs. Marines with some alien races missing. It would make for great models and that's about it.

You can already by all of the Crusade/Heresy era armour marks from Forgeworld in groups of 5, you can also already get all of the old heavy weapons, most of the old special weapons, old style jump packs, and various Bolter marks with wicked bayonet attachments. The only thing they would have to do is release upgrade sprues and change everything over to plastic and there you go, Warhammer 30k.

It's a decent idea (and one which has been suggested innumerable time before); I would be most surprised if Forge World had not at least considered the prospect of producing 30k campaign books to accompany their Crusade/Heresy-era miniatures. The only downside I can see would be the inevitable and shrill whining from Necron/Tyranid/Soriritas players.

30k is GW's "get out of jail free" card. It's something guaranteed to make money, and is a a quick way for them to dig themselves out of a hole. Don't expect to see it unless the company's in trouble.

There is room for more than just Marine on Marine action. The great crusade wasn't just the Heresy, it was the time when humanity re-united and rendered many alien races extinct. Plenty of new model lines to play with.

Kaldor wrote:I like my Heresy era stuff as interesting background. Honestly, I find the fascination with pre-heresy armies a bit baffling. I can't see the attraction. Sure, it's grown to be the defining moment in 40K history, but theres heaps of other interesting stuff out there that hasn't already been done to death.

This. I am not yet finished reading the HH novels, and I really, really like them. The marine stories and characters are often really good reads, as was mechanicum. But I just cannot see why anyone would want to collect an army that is either known to have been destroyed later in the fluff or simply stayed the same guys in different armour marks.

And beside slightly different looking marines, what else is there? Orks are exactly the same, so are Eldar. And then there are a few human armies that didn't belong to the Imperium and got killed or assimilated (again: why would you want to play an army of losers?), some snake-race that was utterly genocided (Laeran, if I remember the name correctly) and a race that is roughly the bugs from starship troopers but with wings (on Murder). So in total, the variety would be reduced a lot on the tabletop, even though the background is still interesting - just in a different way.

Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, a version where you just have Marine on Marine fighting...waaaaait a second

I SEE WUT YOU DID THAR!!!

Yeah I don't see there being much diversity. Maybe as a special game rule set.

Skylifter wrote:

Kaldor wrote:I like my Heresy era stuff as interesting background. Honestly, I find the fascination with pre-heresy armies a bit baffling. I can't see the attraction. Sure, it's grown to be the defining moment in 40K history, but theres heaps of other interesting stuff out there that hasn't already been done to death.

This. I am not yet finished reading the HH novels, and I really, really like them. The marine stories and characters are often really good reads, as was mechanicum. But I just cannot see why anyone would want to collect an army that is either known to have been destroyed later in the fluff or simply stayed the same guys in different armour marks.

And beside slightly different looking marines, what else is there? Orks are exactly the same, so are Eldar. And then there are a few human armies that didn't belong to the Imperium and got killed or assimilated (again: why would you want to play an army of losers?), some snake-race that was utterly genocided (Laeran, if I remember the name correctly) and a race that is roughly the bugs from starship troopers but with wings (on Murder). So in total, the variety would be reduced a lot on the tabletop, even though the background is still interesting - just in a different way.

It is because we have so much destroyed in the 40k universe. New game types for example, more models, (Hear that GW that means more money for you) better power armour. If you look in the fluff it says tht the old power armour and termie armour ws alot better than the current version. You may say because it has been upgraded so many times that it would be better. The thing is that the imperium lost alot of the forgeworlds and manufacturing systems due to the heresy, and so with this less and less of the nice old strong diamond made armour and in with the new plastic armour that is in the 40k world.
Also when I say plastic it is becaus the quality of the armour has decreased over the years with the lack of supplies, finecraftsmen, ajnd just simpley the blue prints. So think about it. Nice models that can be incorperated into warhammmer 40k or just use them in 30k. The idea of being able to field your primarch/daemon prince would be pretty cool as well as some nice units that are new. Also wouldnt yo IG players want some slug throwers for your IG? like actual guns that shoot bullets and are stonger than just laser pointers. I am rambling now so I will get back to painting so I will say this one last thing...
at least give us primarchs and daemon princes, (Slug rifles for the IG please!!!!)

Might be fun to have other human armies. I mean after all that is what the crusade did, wiped out other Humans nations and xeno races. Might be fun to bring back those unknown long dead foes.

I would like to see something along the lines of the Unification wars with the Thunder Warriors and with that leading up to the Great Crusade. See all of the Imperial Army units using Autoguns again.

There was a war with another Xenos Species that had successfully defended against chaos. Maybe we could see them fielded

Pilau Rice wrote:Screw Warhammer 30k and gimme the Unification Wars.

forget the Unification Wars, give me WWII!