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Here's my problem:

Weirdboy in unit falling back gets subjected to 'ere we go!

Unit deepstrikes, mishaps, gets the unit is placed back in reserve.

Do I destroy the unit, or does it rally and go into reserve?

I want to say that it's destroyed, since it doesn't give me permission to rally, but then again I want to say the unit goes into reserve because I'm told to by the mishap rules.

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I don't have the ork book on me but usually fleeing models do not even have the option to do things in the movement phase other than flee. Is 'ere we go mandatory to use if it pops up? if it is not mandatory than i would argue that a fleeing unit can't use it and would continue to flee.

bagtagger wrote:I don't have the ork book on me but usually fleeing models do not even have the option to do things in the movement phase other than flee. Is 'ere we go mandatory to use if it pops up? if it is not mandatory than i would argue that a fleeing unit can't use it and would continue to flee.

I don't believe Warpheads have a choice - I believe their powers go off regardless of other extenuating circumstances. I'm at work though.

bagtagger wrote:I don't have the ork book on me but usually fleeing models do not even have the option to do things in the movement phase other than flee. Is 'ere we go mandatory to use if it pops up? if it is not mandatory than i would argue that a fleeing unit can't use it and would continue to flee.

Ork wierdboyz are different....

They are REQUIRED to cast a power each turn... the test is done at the beginning of the shooting phase.

So... to the OP's question... I don't recall if there's a rule that "destroys" a unit if it were placed back into reserve while it's falling back. Having said that, I'd play them back in reserve and the next time they DS on the table, they're still technically "falling back". So, hopefully, you'd be able to DS more than 6" away from the enemy and by the next turn attempt to regroup (if you can).

That is a problem. I think whembly's explanation is probably the best.

They may be able to rally while off the board. But, this runs into the whole problem of the rules not really defining what units in reserves can do.

Grakmar wrote:That is a problem. I think whembly's explanation is probably the best.

They may be able to rally while off the board. But, this runs into the whole problem of the rules not really defining what units in reserves can do.

Wonder if "off the board" would be considered the "board edge" for falling back.

The unit and attached weirdboy don't deepstrike back on the table, they walk in on the board edge, since they don't have the deep strike special rule.

Weirdboyz are required to use powers, so long as they are on the board during their shooting phase. They don't get a choice. 'ere we go! is like gate of infinity for space marines, only 'ere we go! allows you to jump out of melee.

It's mentioned that any unit going off the board edge is destroyed, but reserves is completely different.

They are in fact deep striking, because they are forced to. They are also back in reserve because they are forced to. Coming in from reserves is also a forced action. You have to roll for them and you have to get them on the board. So my solution would be they go in from the edge and if the weirdboy doesnt deep strike them again, they fall back next turn and are dead.

I'm actually leaning to that they rallied off the board as they have become a new unit that has come in from reserve but that's just my interpertation and I have nothing to back that up with in any way. Just my gut feeling on the subject.

I'd really have to go with them being destroyed - they were falling back and are now no longer on the board.

Ofc, I'd also take issue with using the power to move away from the table edge they were running toward. Units that have some sort of extra move can't use it to not fall back, as evidenced by this line from the rulebook FAQ:

!Q: When a model that can move outside of the
Movement phase, for example jet pack infantry, is
falling back, can it use this move? (page 45)
A: Yes, though it must follow the Fall Back! rules to
determine the direction it will move in."

I don't find any rule under moral covering this. Therefore, I would fall back on the golden rule and play it as fair as you can. I would let the unit rally in reserve, then come into play as per normal reserve rolls. That's just my sporting opinion.

I would also allow the falling back orks to use "ere we go!" to deepstrike anywhere on the field. The ability says that the unit may deep strike "anywhere on the board." Specific overrules general.

BRB pg 45 clearly states that units only fall back "until the unit regroups, is destroyed or leaves the table.".

So a unit deep striking into reserves would no longer be falling back, as they have left the table.

Do weirdboyz have to take psychic tests to use their powers? Units falling back automatically fail leadership tests and psychic tests are a kind of leadership test.

Arschbombe wrote:Do weirdboyz have to take psychic tests to use their powers? Units falling back automatically fail leadership tests and psychic tests are a kind of leadership test.

They automatically fail all Morale tests - not Leadership tests.

Jidmah wrote:BRB pg 45 clearly states that units only fall back "until the unit regroups, is destroyed or leaves the table.".

So a unit deep striking into reserves would no longer be falling back, as they have left the table.

Nice.

BRB pg 45 clearly states that units only fall back "until the unit regroups, is destroyed or leaves the table.".

So a unit deep striking into reserves would no longer be falling back, as they have left the table.

Alright, you got it. Good catch!

Jidmah wrote:BRB pg 45 clearly states that units only fall back "until the unit regroups, is destroyed or leaves the table.".

So a unit deep striking into reserves would no longer be falling back, as they have left the table.

Good to know.

Good one Jidmah... I stand corrected. Unit is destroyed.

whembly wrote:Good one Jidmah... I stand corrected. Unit is destroyed.

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying not only is the unit alive, but it automatically rallies.

Grakmar wrote:

whembly wrote:Good one Jidmah... I stand corrected. Unit is destroyed.

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying not only is the unit alive, but it automatically rallies.

A falling back unit that leaves the table is usually destroyed... that's why it stops falling back.

Grakmar wrote:

whembly wrote:Good one Jidmah... I stand corrected. Unit is destroyed.

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying not only is the unit alive, but it automatically rallies.

LOL...

Damn... now what...

Jidmah's quote makes it very clear. The unit is no longer falling back as it has left the table. It is placed in reserve as normal.

How you could read anything else from this is beyond me.

Spetulhu wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

whembly wrote:Good one Jidmah... I stand corrected. Unit is destroyed.

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying not only is the unit alive, but it automatically rallies.

A falling back unit that leaves the table is usually destroyed... that's why it stops falling back.

Actually, a unit can never leave the table by just falling back. It is destroyed when it touches the table edges, but would never actually leave the table. It is never given the permission to do so.

Jidmah wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

whembly wrote:Good one Jidmah... I stand corrected. Unit is destroyed.

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying not only is the unit alive, but it automatically rallies.

A falling back unit that leaves the table is usually destroyed... that's why it stops falling back.

Actually, a unit can never leave the table by just falling back. It is destroyed when it touches the table edges, but would never actually leave the table. It is never given the permission to do so.

It Must be able to because it menciones so in the fall back rules.

jgehunter wrote:It Must be able to because it menciones so in the fall back rules.

Can you quote the corresponding rule? Because I can't find it anywhere in the Fall Back! rules.

Page 45, left hand column, 2nd paragraph (under "Fall Back!")

jgehunter wrote:

Jidmah wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

whembly wrote:Good one Jidmah... I stand corrected. Unit is destroyed.

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying not only is the unit alive, but it automatically rallies.

A falling back unit that leaves the table is usually destroyed... that's why it stops falling back.

Actually, a unit can never leave the table by just falling back. It is destroyed when it touches the table edges, but would never actually leave the table. It is never given the permission to do so.

It Must be able to because it menciones so in the fall back rules.

Page 45, left column, 5th paragraph....

... if any model .... moves into contact with a table edge....

Since no model in the unit in the OP ever moves "Into contact with a table edge", the unit is not destroyed. They do, however, "leave the table" and thus are no longer falling back, and can move in from reserve as normal.

Happyjew wrote:Page 45, left hand column, 2nd paragraph (under "Fall Back!")

There is no line allowing any model to move off the table for any reason at all. Please provide an exact quote if I missed something.

Units make a fall back move immediately upon failing a Morale test. In each subsequent Movement phase, they will make further fall back moves instead of moving normally, until the unit regroups, is destroyed or leaves the table. (Page 45, left hand column, 2nd paragraph (under "Fall Back!"))