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What if a complete table side is blocked to infiltraters when they arrive via that flank...?

Do they go back into reserve or die!?

They die. Unless they're jump infantry/skimmer.

Sooner or later someone will post the Tau vs White Scars pic where the White Scars player lost before the game began.

Happyjew wrote:Sooner or later someone will post the Tau vs White Scars pic where the White Scars player lost before the game began.

How about we don't.

As said though they would not be able to move fully onto the board, so they would die.

But you should not ever let anyone do this to you. if they have a lot of infiltrators, just make sure that there are places you can enter from.

C'mon, that's a great pic. The look on the white scars players face is PRICELESS! HAHAHAHA

sub-zero wrote:C'mon, that's a great pic. The look on the white scars players face is PRICELESS! HAHAHAHA

....+1 to this.....

1000 internet kudos to whomever posts that EPIC pic!

It had to be done. I'm not sorry.

Ha ha ha, now post the pics without the changed faces.

Cheexsta wrote:It had to be done. I'm not sorry.

HAHAHAHAHA YESSS!!! I seriously spit coffee out when I saw this pic. Well played sir...well played indeed.

rigeld2 wrote:They die. Unless they're jump infantry/skimmer.

Tanks can also tank-shock through. If you have multiple tanks, you can potentially use them to push the Infiltrators back via tank-shock to make room for infantry units to enter beside them.

BRB FAQ answers this too

Q: What happens when a unit arrives from reserves but
is unable to completely move onto the board? (p94)
A: The unit is destroyed and removed from play.

That is 100% the White Scars player's fault. No remorse.

puma713 wrote:That is 100% the White Scars player's fault. No remorse.

Actually its the rules that are at fault, and the judge's arbitration that the White scars lost the game without any real rules backing at the time.

There really should be a rule disallowing infiltration and scout moves within 6" of your opponents edge.

Why? I feel bad for the sm player. But same time without khan why would you hold reserve? Completely unfun yes. Tournaments in my experience aren't.

And to answer the op original question. Ish. When you hold a unit in reserve and it has the scout abilty. You don't have to outflank. Could just walk on. Correct me if I am wrong.

puma713 wrote:That is 100% the White Scars player's fault. No remorse.

At the time that picture was taken, there was actually nothing that said that units unable to move on were destroyed. Hence the intense study of the rulebook in that pic. The judge decided to hand the game to the Kroot player, and when the FAQ was updated later on the picture was retroactively adopted as an example of the situation.

DeathReaper wrote:

puma713 wrote:That is 100% the White Scars player's fault. No remorse.

Actually its the rules that are at fault, and the judge's arbitration that the White scars lost the game without any real rules backing at the time.

There really should be a rule disallowing infiltration and scout moves within 6" of your opponents edge.

Ya the Judge had to make some kind of call. There are no rules allowing the White scars player on the board. He could have just said play the game and if your reserves can't come on then they can't leave reserves. 6 turns later the Tau would have won anyway. Unfortunatly until the FAQ there was no rule covering the situation so the Judge was forced to make one up.


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he could have also declared they are stuck on the turn when the White scar's reserves come in untill the time limit runs out and again the tau wins by tableing.

VoxDei wrote:Ya the Judge had to make some kind of call. There are no rules allowing the White scars player on the board. He could have just said play the game and if your reserves can't come on then they can't leave reserves. 6 turns later the Tau would have won anyway. Unfortunatly until the FAQ there was no rule covering the situation so the Judge was forced to make one up.

Given that there was no existing ruling, simply telling the Kroot player 'Well done, you found a loophole... It's only turn one, so start over and play an actual game' would have been a fairer option than making up a ruling that hands the game to one player on a platter.

insaniak wrote:

VoxDei wrote:Ya the Judge had to make some kind of call. There are no rules allowing the White scars player on the board. He could have just said play the game and if your reserves can't come on then they can't leave reserves. 6 turns later the Tau would have won anyway. Unfortunatly until the FAQ there was no rule covering the situation so the Judge was forced to make one up.

Given that there was no existing ruling, simply telling the Kroot player 'Well done, you found a loophole... It's only turn one, so start over and play an actual game' would have been a fairer option than making up a ruling that hands the game to one player on a platter.

Wonder how well he did on sportsmanship

insaniak wrote:Given that there was no existing ruling, simply telling the Kroot player 'Well done, you found a loophole... It's only turn one, so start over and play an actual game' would have been a fairer option than making up a ruling that hands the game to one player on a platter.

I agree with this 1000%

Cheexsta wrote:It had to be done. I'm not sorry.

LMFLOFMC!

Laughed.my fething.lungs.out of my chest. I almost need CPR.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:And to answer the op original question. Ish. When you hold a unit in reserve and it has the scout abilty. You don't have to outflank. Could just walk on. Correct me if I am wrong.

You're incorrect. When you declare a unit to be held in Reserve you also must declare how it will be entering play (from your own edge, Deep Strike, Outflank) at the same time. You can't wait and choose later. A special exception is the DE Webway Portal. You declare a normal method, then, IF there is a portal deployed when they arrive, you may use the declared method OR have them enter through the portal.

insaniak wrote:

puma713 wrote:That is 100% the White Scars player's fault. No remorse.

At the time that picture was taken, there was actually nothing that said that units unable to move on were destroyed. Hence the intense study of the rulebook in that pic. The judge decided to hand the game to the Kroot player, and when the FAQ was updated later on the picture was retroactively adopted as an example of the situation.

insaniak wrote:
Given that there was no existing ruling, simply telling the Kroot player 'Well done, you found a loophole... It's only turn one, so start over and play an actual game' would have been a fairer option than making up a ruling that hands the game to one player on a platter.

Sure, but the judge made the exact same decision that GW did. So, in that, wouldn't you say he made the perfect decision? The judge's ruling is the judge's ruling - you know that before you set up your army. Just because GW came out with a ruling that confirmed what he enforced, doesn't make his decision any less valid.

puma713 wrote:Sure, but the judge made the exact same decision that GW did. So, in that, wouldn't you say he made the perfect decision?

No. It would have been the right decision if it was in a published FAQ for the event before anybody put miniatures on the table. It would have been the right decision if he had allowed the game to start over.

But making a call that simply hands the game to the other player is not the way to encourage people to come back to events that you run...

The judge's ruling is the judge's ruling - you know that before you set up your army. Just because GW came out with a ruling that confirmed what he enforced, doesn't make his decision any less valid.

It's not a matter of the decision being valid. It's a matter of the decision being fair.

Imagine if you were playing in a tournament, and your game stalls when you come to a situation that the rules don't cover. You call over a judge, he considers the issue, turns to your opponent, and says 'You win the game'.

That's essentially what happened here. The call might have been the 'right' one strictly by the rules, but it wasn't the right one to make for a game currently in progress.

Mannahnin wrote:

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:And to answer the op original question. Ish. When you hold a unit in reserve and it has the scout abilty. You don't have to outflank. Could just walk on. Correct me if I am wrong.

You're incorrect. When you declare a unit to be held in Reserve you also must declare how it will be entering play (from your own edge, Deep Strike, Outflank) at the same time. You can't wait and choose later. A special exception is the DE Webway Portal. You declare a normal method, then, IF there is a portal deployed when they arrive, you may use the declared method OR have them enter through the portal.

Also the tunnel made by trygons.

insaniak wrote:
But making a call that simply hands the game to the other player is not the way to encourage people to come back to events that you run...

It's a simple enough mistake to correct from happening to him again - partly why its so funny. Though extreme, I don't think a TO should start ruling in a way that tries to compensate for bad choices of either player. The winning player knew what he was doing and knew the rules well enough to try it.

Getting tabled on turn 2 doesn't encourage people to keep playing 40k but on the very rare occasion is happens, it is still fair by the rules. Getting punished for bad choices in the game can give people a reason to play too.

Nemesor Dave wrote: Though extreme, I don't think a TO should start ruling in a way that tries to compensate for bad choices of either player.

I'm not talking about compensating for bad choices by the player. I'm talking about the TO ruling on a previously unaddressed rules loophole in a way that is fair and allows the game to continue.

insaniak wrote:
I'm not talking about compensating for bad choices by the player. I'm talking about the TO ruling on a previously unaddressed rules loophole in a way that is fair and allows the game to continue.

Well, fair is such relative term. On that issue, TO cannot make "fair" ruling that allows game to continue. You will either be "unfair" against the White Scars player (play as RAW, White Scars cannot move within 1" of model) or you will be unfair against the Tau player (White Scars player is allowed to break rules by moving to table).
IMO, in this case TO hit hard issue and made the right choice (later confirmed by GW to be the correct interpretation of rules).

In friendly game, it's pretty obvious that the "fair" way to go would have been for the White Scars player to just say: "Ok, I lost. Let's do another game." But in tournament, losing is losing.

Gotta say that I agree with Insaniak. At the time, the rules simply didn't address the situation, so it would not have been fair to expect the White Scars player to know it could happen.

Of course, after the FAQ the player would have no excuse.

There is no loop hole. If you can't move within 1" of your opponent, then in this case you can't move at all. The tau player knew that and took the opportunity. It's the sm player's fault that didn't pay attention to the tau player's list. I bet he thought "Tau?! Easy pickings..."