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It's pretty much been implied that the devastating assaults of Hive Fleets Behemoth, Kraken, and Leviathan are just the vanguard of the final, Tyranid Invasion. The Silent King returned to the galaxy with the goal of reawakening the Necrons to stop the Tyranids and to restore Necrontyr dominance. In that light, and with the recent Blood Angel-Necron alliance leaving both sides with a grudging respect for the other, is it possible that the Imperium and the Necron Dynasties forming an alliance against the Tyranids? And how will the other races see it? The Imperium and the Necrons forming an alliance could prove disastrous to the Eldar, and to the Tau, not to mention the Forces of Chaos - Necrons having fought alongside the Imperium against Chaos in the 13th Black Crusade. As the Golden Throne is also possibly based on Necron technology, could this also be a chance for the Inner Circle to restore the Emperor? This could prove disastrous - as the Emperor imprisoned the Void Dragon, He might be willing to make a long-term arrangement with the Silent King, and vice-versa.

I dunno. That "implied" invasion of some "super-" Hive Fleet is no more or less "Implied" than the "return of the Primarchs" or the "rise of the greatest Ork Warlord who will unite all Orks the WAAGH! that'll end all WAAAGH!" and the ultimate triumpf of Chaos that will devour the Galaxy and the final revelation of millenia of Eldar plotting finally coming to fruition.

Every faction in 40K gets their "end of days" piece in there somewhere. I wouldn't read too much into it really.

Zweischneid wrote:I dunno. That "implied" invasion of some "super-" Hive Fleet is no more or less "Implied" than the "return of the Primarchs" or the "rise of the greatest Ork Warlord who will unite all Orks the WAAGH! that'll end all WAAAGH!" and the ultimate triumpf of Chaos that will devour the Galaxy and the final revelation of millenia of Eldar plotting finally coming to fruition.

Every faction in 40K gets their "end of days" piece in there somewhere. I wouldn't read too much into it really.

It's not a super Hive Fleet - rather the imminent multiple and simultaneous arrival of Hive Fleets far larger than even Hive Fleet Leviathan. According to Lord Inquisitor Krypttman's agents, for the Imperium to handle it by itself - Guard, Naval, Astartes, virtually every Imperial military organization has to up recruitment by 500 percent (may have gotten that figure wrong, but not by much - been a while since I saw the Codex entry).

Tadashi wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:I dunno. That "implied" invasion of some "super-" Hive Fleet is no more or less "Implied" than the "return of the Primarchs" or the "rise of the greatest Ork Warlord who will unite all Orks the WAAGH! that'll end all WAAAGH!" and the ultimate triumpf of Chaos that will devour the Galaxy and the final revelation of millenia of Eldar plotting finally coming to fruition.

Every faction in 40K gets their "end of days" piece in there somewhere. I wouldn't read too much into it really.

It's not a super Hive Fleet - rather the imminent multiple and simultaneous arrival of Hive Fleets far larger than even Hive Fleet Leviathan. According to Lord Inquisitor Krypttman's agents, for the Imperium to handle it by itself - Guard, Naval, Astartes, virtually every Imperial military organization has to up recruitment by 500 percent (may have gotten that figure wrong, but not by much - been a while since I saw the Codex entry).

Is it? Sounds like random exaggeration. So far, the biggest known Hive Fleet ever to arrive didn't even make a major dent in a single Space Marine Chapter. All Hive Fleets so far together have cost the Imperium less Space Marines than, say, the Rebellion by Huron and his Astral Claws did. And there are literally thousands of Space Marine Chapters. Valhallan Guard managed to actually starve (!) a Hive Fleet to death. Maugan Ra defended an entire planet from a Hive Fleet all by himself. Yriel and his force took out not one, but two Hive Fleets. Even Kryptmann, for all his cry wolf, is proof that a single Inquisitor is enough to deal with most Tyranid threats.

By and large, I would say the Imperium has far, far bigger threats to worry about than Nids (like Necrons, or even the Tau). On the 40K "threat-scale" of the available factions, NIds are probably the least dangerous Xenos in 40K by a good margin.

Zweischneid wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:I dunno. That "implied" invasion of some "super-" Hive Fleet is no more or less "Implied" than the "return of the Primarchs" or the "rise of the greatest Ork Warlord who will unite all Orks the WAAGH! that'll end all WAAAGH!" and the ultimate triumpf of Chaos that will devour the Galaxy and the final revelation of millenia of Eldar plotting finally coming to fruition.

Every faction in 40K gets their "end of days" piece in there somewhere. I wouldn't read too much into it really.

It's not a super Hive Fleet - rather the imminent multiple and simultaneous arrival of Hive Fleets far larger than even Hive Fleet Leviathan. According to Lord Inquisitor Krypttman's agents, for the Imperium to handle it by itself - Guard, Naval, Astartes, virtually every Imperial military organization has to up recruitment by 500 percent (may have gotten that figure wrong, but not by much - been a while since I saw the Codex entry).

Is it? Sounds like random exaggeration. So far, the biggest known Hive Fleet ever to arrive didn't even make a major dent in a single Space Marine Chapter. All Hive Fleets so far together have cost the Imperium less Space Marines than, say, the Rebellion by Huron and his Astral Claws did. And there are literally thousands of Space Marine Chapters. Valhallan Guard managed to actually starve (!) a Hive Fleet to death
. Maugan Ra defended an entire planet from a Hive Fleet all by himself. Yriel and his force took out not one, but two Hive Fleets. Even Kryptmann, for all his cry wolf, is proof that a single Inquisitor is enough to deal with most Tyranid threats.

By and large, I would say the Imperium has far, far bigger threats to worry about than Nids (like Necrons, or even the Tau). On the 40K
"threat-scale" of the available, they are probably the least dangerous Xenos in 40K by a good margin.

Not true. The invasion of Behemoth ravaged Ultima Segmentum, and destroyed at least two Chapters before the Ultramarines and other Imperial forces defeated the Hive Fleet at Macragge. Kraken also ravaged Ultima Segmentum, and brought Iyanden to the brink of destruction. And Leviathan hasn't been stopped, merely halved, and that involved incinerating (literally) hundreds if not thousands of planets in it's path just to starve half the Hive Fleet. And the other half has merely been diverted to an Ork Empire - despite the fact that countless Orks are pouring in across the galaxy to join the fight, Leviathan is going strong. So no, Tyranids are not the least dangerous xenos - that honour goes to the Tau.

Tadashi wrote:It's not a super Hive Fleet - rather the imminent multiple and simultaneous arrival of Hive Fleets far larger than even Hive Fleet Leviathan. According to Lord Inquisitor Krypttman's agents, for the Imperium to handle it by itself - Guard, Naval, Astartes, virtually every Imperial military organization has to up recruitment by 500 percent (may have gotten that figure wrong, but not by much - been a while since I saw the Codex entry).

As stated in codex Tyranids 4th or 5th Ed (can't remember which)

Zweischneid wrote:Is it? Sounds like random exaggeration. So far, the biggest known Hive Fleet ever to arrive didn't even make a major dent in a single Space Marine Chapter. All Hive Fleets so far together have cost the Imperium less Space Marines than, say, the Rebellion by Huron and his Astral Claws did. And there are literally thousands of Space Marine Chapters. Valhallan Guard managed to actually starve (!) a Hive Fleet to death. Maugan Ra defended an entire planet from a Hive Fleet all by himself. Yriel and his force took out not one, but two Hive Fleets. Even Kryptmann, for all his cry wolf, is proof that a single Inquisitor is enough to deal with most Tyranid threats.

By and large, I would say the Imperium has far, far bigger threats to worry about than Nids (like Necrons, or even the Tau). On the 40K "threat-scale" of the available factions, NIds are probably the least dangerous Xenos in 40K by a good margin.

Ok, so far we have lost the Lamentors chapter, several Forge-worlds, countless regiments of Imperial Guard. Maugan Ra may have saved one world from one tendril but the region is being overwhelmed. Kryptman has been thrown of of the ordos xenos, and his gambit cost billions of people their lives. Yriel was engaged with hive fleet Kraken, so that victory is short lived.

Your statements are unfounded. there are countless tendrils of Leviathan encroaching on the galaxy daily, as they are attacking from below the galactic plane. Considering each hivefleet is larger than the last, it is safe to say it is not over. and leviathan has not been defeated yet. because the Tyranid race has devoured a dozen galaxies, you really think they arent a threat? we have no idea of their numbers or size.

Vampire Counts in space team up with tomb kings in space!

Even if the Tyrandis are as bad as some fear (and that is a big if considering that there is zero concrete proof that what has attacked so far is simply a scouting force) the Imperium alone may have the potential to defeat them. Kryptman showed how effective large scale exterminatus can be in slowing down and weakening a hive fleet, the Ultramarines showed the effectiveness of Space Marines in combating them, and the 9th Vostroyan showed how Tyranids could be easily butchered in a suicide strategy (letting them into the city and nuking it). It is only a matter of time an resources invested into such matters, force the Tyranids to battle, attempt to kill an many of them in space as possible, defend the planet as well as you can, and it if looks like hope is lost blow it up.

Also, tossing in the Necrons makes the Tyranids an even lesser threat, since they are by far the most advanced faction in the game, are capable of uniting against the Tyranids and the Silent King came back for the purpose of defeating the Tyranids. Overall, they aren't something to be toyed with like the Tau or Eldar, but they are as far as we know no more threatening than the forces of Chaos.

Zweischneid wrote:I dunno. That "implied" invasion of some "super-" Hive Fleet is no more or less "Implied" than the "return of the Primarchs"

This doesn't really have to herald anything automatically life-ending. If Vulkan returns, then what?

or the "rise of the greatest Ork Warlord who will unite all Orks the WAAGH! that'll end all WAAAGH!"

Speculative/theoretical, and highly unlikely. Not an established event like the mega-Hive Fleet

and the ultimate triumpf of Chaos that will devour the Galaxy

Again, speculative.

the final revelation of millenia of Eldar plotting finally coming to fruition.

They're plotting something besides survival? That whole Ynnead thing comes off more as legend, and requires the end of the Eldar race as it is.

What separates these from the Tyranid event is that the latter is established and imminent (from a fluff perspective).

Buttons wrote:Even if the Tyrandis are as bad as some fear (and that is a big if considering that there is zero concrete proof that what has attacked so far is simply a scouting force) the Imperium alone may have the potential to defeat them. Kryptman showed how effective large scale exterminatus can be in slowing down and weakening a hive fleet, the Ultramarines showed the effectiveness of Space Marines in combating them, and the 9th Vostroyan showed how Tyranids could be easily butchered in a suicide strategy (letting them into the city and nuking it). It is only a matter of time an resources invested into such matters, force the Tyranids to battle, attempt to kill an many of them in space as possible, defend the planet as well as you can, and it if looks like hope is lost blow it up.

Also, tossing in the Necrons makes the Tyranids an even lesser threat, since they are by far the most advanced faction in the game, are capable of uniting against the Tyranids and the Silent King came back for the purpose of defeating the Tyranids. Overall, they aren't something to be toyed with like the Tau or Eldar, but they are as far as we know no more threatening than the forces of Chaos.

There is no proof that it isn't a scouting force, but if you look at the fact every fleet has been larger than the last, but also they have devoured a dozen galaxies, it suggests there is far more out there than anyone knows. Kryptman didn't weaken the fleet, he only slowed it. Leviathan is gaining momentum once again. The Ultramarines were lucky, the hive-mind will have adapted now, and won't make the same mistake again. Plus your forgetting the hydra effect, kill one norn-queen several more will be birthed as a response.

The silent king only returned to make sure the tyranids didn't consume all flesh as without bodies, the Necrontyr will would never rise again.

Also saying they are no more threatening than chaos, is like saying a lone bee isn't. your looking at small sections of a war. when you look at the fact Tyranids are a united front, unlike chaos, they have no infighting, no dissent, and have one purpose. they are the only race in the game that are truly united.

They have destroyed utterly a dozen galaxies, with countless billions upon billions upon billions cubed lives taken. They won't stop. They are not afraid. They are fear itself. That you can never defeat.

Im sorry, but the tyranids are a much larger threat than most people think. The imperium would definitely not be able to defend against the hive fleets alone, with a dozen galaxies under their belt im quite sure the hive fleets wont have much more of a problem destroying this one. The necrons are clearly one of the only things capable of exhausting the hive fleets as there is no biomass to be obtained from them. The tau empire is about to get squashed by Leviathan i think... so i think they very much are a threat. If the Necrons and Imperium did join forces then yes, there will be casualties, but the majority on the hive fleets side. Also where has this information about the blood angels and necrons allying come from?

"Kryptman showed how effective large scale exterminatus can be in slowing down and weakening a hive fleet," I got a giggle form this. Kind of shows how much of a threat the nids are. Even when you win, everyone dies.

The Son Of Russ wrote:Im sorry, but the tyranids are a much larger threat than most people think. The imperium would definitely not be able to defend against the hive fleets alone, with a dozen galaxies under their belt im quite sure the hive fleets wont have much more of a problem destroying this one. The necrons are clearly one of the only things capable of exhausting the hive fleets as there is no biomass to be obtained from them. The tau empire is about to get squashed by Leviathan i think... so i think they very much are a threat. If the Necrons and Imperium did join forces then yes, there will be casualties, but the majority on the hive fleets side. Also where has this information about the blood angels and necrons allying come from?

As much as I agree with you, the Tyranids could still digest Necrons. As with humans alone we have metal naturally occuring in our bodies. as look at the swarmlord, it has alien crystals grown within its boneswords. The nids are adapting all the time... and with the Necron "living metal" thing, I think the hive mind could do something interesting with it, should it want to.

nomotog wrote:"Kryptman showed how effective large scale exterminatus can be in slowing down and weakening a hive fleet," I got a giggle form this. Kind of shows how much of a threat the nids are. Even when you win, everyone dies.

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That is something the Imperium as a whole would not subscribe to, as it was Kryptman was excommunicated before he sanctioned that exterminatus. which, if he is ever caught up with, probably would mean execution.

Is there a concrete source that they have destroyed a dozen or more galaxies, as far as I know all of that is speculation either by fans or by individuals in universe. Also, it doesn't matter the specific reason that the Silent King returned, his people want fleshy bodies, the Tyranids will eat anything they could potentially experiment on to return themselves to fleshy bodies, so they have to fight them. Either way they do not like the Tyranids, and they have been shown to be willing to work with other races on specific occasions which means that they may potentially fight alongside the Imperium or Tau in battles against the Tyranids, and as Medusa V, Hive Fleet Gorgon, and the Gehenna campaign showed the Tyranids have a lot of trouble adapting to two or more varied threats. They can handle the Tau, they can handle Space marines, they can handle Necrons, but start combining them and they fall apart because they cannot adapt that quickly.

Buttons wrote:Is there a concrete source that they have destroyed a dozen or more galaxies, as far as I know all of that is speculation either by fans or by individuals in universe. Also, it doesn't matter the specific reason that the Silent King returned, his people want fleshy bodies, the Tyranids will eat anything they could potentially experiment on to return themselves to fleshy bodies, so they have to fight them. Either way they do not like the Tyranids, and they have been shown to be willing to work with other races on specific occasions which means that they may potentially fight alongside the Imperium or Tau in battles against the Tyranids, and as Medusa V, Hive Fleet Gorgon, and the Gehenna campaign showed the Tyranids have a lot of trouble adapting to two or more varied threats. They can handle the Tau, they can handle Space marines, they can handle Necrons, but start combining them and they fall apart because they cannot adapt that quickly.

the BRB says so, can't remember page, but look it up.

Also, the Necrons are finite, Tyranids (depending on biomas) are infinite, plus can hoard an extraordinary amount of biomass for long periods of time (for e.g: the large periods of time in which it takes to bridge the gap between galaxies)

Also, Leviathan is very much still untested, multiple threats havent been presented against it in large groups yet.

but. the main problem i have against your theory is the face Leviathan is attacking from below the galactic plane. How do you collectively defend an entire galaxy against something that attacks worlds widespread simultaniously? as well as the fact that we still have no idea how much more of the Tyranids are out in the galactic void.

The terrifying concept about the Tyranids is just how little we know about them. For all we know, they are circling our galaxy and trickling in. I've looked at tyranids in two ways.

The most realistic way I view them, if the hive fleets are just scouting groups. The hive fleets are essentially condensation for the flood thats about to come. They're likely testing the strengths of the bio inside this galaxy while the major fleets/monsters are circling , preventing any escape.

Another way I've thought about it and joked with friends is... picture a human body. We're comprised of millions, billions of cells. Now picture the tyranids, what if each hormagant, each hive tyrant, each biomorph the hivefleet adapts to is just a small miniscule cell to some larger creature. The mutating biomorphs are basically white bloodcells reacting to a virus (inhabitants of our galaxy) and trying to crush them. What if there is some giant space octopus and these "tendrils" on the hive fleet are literally just that, tendrils to some giant space monster...

After all, what does a white blood cell essentially do? It surrounds the microbe, keeps it from getting necessary elements for survival and both the mircrobe and the white blood cell die and become waste..

/mindblown.

Cryage wrote:The terrifying concept about the Tyranids is just how little we know about them. For all we know, they are circling our galaxy and trickling in. I've looked at tyranids in two ways.

The most realistic way I view them, if the hive fleets are just scouting groups. The hive fleets are essentially condensation for the flood thats about to come. They're likely testing the strengths of the bio inside this galaxy while the major fleets/monsters are circling , preventing any escape.

Another way I've thought about it and joked with friends is... picture a human body. We're comprised of millions, billions of cells. Now picture the tyranids, what if each hormagant, each hive tyrant, each biomorph the hivefleet adapts to is just a small miniscule cell to some larger creature. The mutating biomorphs are basically white bloodcells reacting to a virus (inhabitants of our galaxy) and trying to crush them. What if there is some giant space octopus and these "tendrils" on the hive fleet are literally just that, tendrils to some giant space monster...

After all, what does a white blood cell essentially do? It surrounds the microbe, keeps it from getting necessary elements for survival and both the mircrobe and the white blood cell die and become waste..

/mindblown.

agreed in totality.

I've stated the same before, but people only read what they want to

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

Buttons wrote:Is there a concrete source that they have destroyed a dozen or more galaxies, as far as I know all of that is speculation either by fans or by individuals in universe. Also, it doesn't matter the specific reason that the Silent King returned, his people want fleshy bodies, the Tyranids will eat anything they could potentially experiment on to return themselves to fleshy bodies, so they have to fight them. Either way they do not like the Tyranids, and they have been shown to be willing to work with other races on specific occasions which means that they may potentially fight alongside the Imperium or Tau in battles against the Tyranids, and as Medusa V, Hive Fleet Gorgon, and the Gehenna campaign showed the Tyranids have a lot of trouble adapting to two or more varied threats. They can handle the Tau, they can handle Space marines, they can handle Necrons, but start combining them and they fall apart because they cannot adapt that quickly.

the BRB says so, can't remember page, but look it up.

Also, the Necrons are finite, Tyranids (depending on biomas) are infinite, plus can hoard an extraordinary amount of biomass for long periods of time (for e.g: the large periods of time in which it takes to bridge the gap between galaxies)

Also, Leviathan is very much still untested, multiple threats havent been presented against it in large groups yet.

but. the main problem i have against your theory is the face Leviathan is attacking from below the galactic plane. How do you collectively defend an entire galaxy against something that attacks worlds widespread simultaniously? as well as the fact that we still have no idea how much more of the Tyranids are out in the galactic void.

Checked your source, it is the info page on the Tyranids in the BRB, as for how one interprets such a source, I don't know. Anyway, even if they did consume a dozen galaxies before ours, who is to say that they had a lot of life and biomass? The Imperium is so populous because not only does it control most of the galaxy, but because most of its population live on densly populated hive worlds. For all we know the Tyranids could have simply consumed 20 billion earth (modern, 7 billion person population) like planets, it is a lot of biomass, but when compared to the WH40K galaxy it isn't quite as overwhelming. Either way, the Tyranids are not infinite and are not undefeatable. They cannot win against daemons, daemons are made of psychic energy and provide exactly zero biomass, they are very adaptable, but still fall to alliances, and against certain enemies they have problems regarding biomass. Either way the Tyranid threat can in no way be accurately gauged because we know so little about them, they could have lost 99% of the biomass from the dozen galaxies they consumed due to a species that pulled something like the forerunners in Halo and killed everything to stop them, they could be a giant conga line from here to the next galaxy, we truly do not know.

They care not for "winning" they only want to feed. Also remember Biomass is not just meat, biomass is every living thing ona planet, including plantlife. one large factor in tyranid invasions is they make all plant life grow exponentially so there is more to consume, any flesh and blood life on the planet is a bonus. Your basing a lot of your comments on Human perception of life. Tyranid (from a fluff POV) do not think as we do.

Necrons and Imperium allied? lolwat, where have i been?

hellspawn22 wrote:Necrons and Imperium allied? lolwat, where have i been?

I bet wherever it was you wish you stayed there... I know I did when I read this weird discovery...

What next, Necrons with personality?

When, where, and result?

Not read the new Necron codex... according to people I know who play them, It be in there somewhere.

Was actually in the Blood Angels codex page 16:

955.M41 The Gehenna Campaign.
Commander Dante and the 3rd Company battle against the Necron Legions of the Silent King amidst the dusty wastes of Gehenna. For three weeks, neither side can seize the upper hand, with Dante's tactical brilliance stretched to its limits in countering the time-space manipulations of the Silent King. The stalemate is broken only when a Tyranid splinter fleet enters orbit, forcing the two armies to break off hostilities and fight the common foe. The impromptu alliance proves to be the Tyranids' undoing. Following the final battle at Devil's Crag, Dante and the Silent King go their separate ways, both forces now too battleworn to guarantee victory over the other, and, at least for the Blood Angels, the idea of turning on those they had so recently fought alongside, a rather distasteful one.

Hence, the photo above

DrimGark wrote:

It's in the Blood Angels codex, the Gehenna campaign, page 16.

Basically, Dante and the 3rd company of Blood Angels are duking it out with the Silent King and a bunch of Necrons. A splinter hive fleet arrives, which forces the Blood Angels and Necrons to fight a common foe. When they defeat the Tyranids, Dante lets the Necrons leave, too honourable to attack an ally.

The main issue isn't from fighting a common foe, it's from xenocidal madmen letting xenos go, because they were honourable. No. Dante would have caved the Silent Kings head in with his axe after the fight, not let him go.

Ah, oh well, I was even less likely to read that particular book... even though I think I own it... somewhere...

either way, still a silly peice of fluff imo.

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

Buttons wrote:Is there a concrete source that they have destroyed a dozen or more galaxies, as far as I know all of that is speculation either by fans or by individuals in universe. Also, it doesn't matter the specific reason that the Silent King returned, his people want fleshy bodies, the Tyranids will eat anything they could potentially experiment on to return themselves to fleshy bodies, so they have to fight them. Either way they do not like the Tyranids, and they have been shown to be willing to work with other races on specific occasions which means that they may potentially fight alongside the Imperium or Tau in battles against the Tyranids, and as Medusa V, Hive Fleet Gorgon, and the Gehenna campaign showed the Tyranids have a lot of trouble adapting to two or more varied threats. They can handle the Tau, they can handle Space marines, they can handle Necrons, but start combining them and they fall apart because they cannot adapt that quickly.

the BRB says so, can't remember page, but look it up.

Also, the Necrons are finite, Tyranids (depending on biomas) are infinite, plus can hoard an extraordinary amount of biomass for long periods of time (for e.g: the large periods of time in which it takes to bridge the gap between galaxies)

Also, Leviathan is very much still untested, multiple threats havent been presented against it in large groups yet.

but. the main problem i have against your theory is the face Leviathan is attacking from below the galactic plane. How do you collectively defend an entire galaxy against something that attacks worlds widespread simultaniously? as well as the fact that we still have no idea how much more of the Tyranids are out in the galactic void.

Sir I disagree with some of what you say. first off how are necrons finite? If anything they are infinite because, once they take enough damage they then teleport to the nearest tomb world, which is huge thing because this means that they tyranids are losing alot of biomass because, gause weaponry flays everything wjicj makes it useless to the tyranids, though if they win a battle then they do get a whole world to consume and so yeah they win in a way I agree with that sentement

Next is the leviathan being untested, how are they untested I mean they are fighting in the octarius system and are at this moment at a stalemate. Yes the tyranids are going strong but, so are the orks who are fighting them. In the end you cant tell who is really winning that one at all

-Loki- wrote:
The main issue isn't from fighting a common foe, it's from xenocidal madmen letting xenos go, because they were honourable. No. Dante would have caved the Silent Kings head in with his axe after the fight, not let him go.

Probably not. Dante is suffering from a psychosis wherein he believes he's destined to take part in some magnificent event. It's hard to predict his motivations or actions since he's looking to engineer that situation.


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Also, the present hive fleet is also the final hive fleet. Says so right in Codex Tyranids.

The codex says Leviathan was the last major hive fleet to enter the galaxy. It doesn't say it is the last hive fleet. There's a big difference.

It also can't be the last hive fleet since at least one more has entered the galaxy since Leviathan. Leviathan hit in 997 M.41, Moloch hit in 998 M.41. They are definitely not the same Hive fleet either, since Leviathan hit in the galactic south from beneath the galactic plane while Moloch hit from the galactic North along the galactic plane.

willhman wrote:
Sir I disagree with some of what you say. first off how are necrons finite? If anything they are infinite because, once they take enough damage they then teleport to the nearest tomb world, which is huge thing because this means that they tyranids are losing alot of biomass because, gause weaponry flays everything wjicj makes it useless to the tyranids, though if they win a battle then they do get a whole world to consume and so yeah they win in a way I agree with that sentemen

The Necrons are finite as given by the following passages from the Necron Codex:

Should a fallen warrior fail to phase out, it self-destructs and is consumed by a blaze of emerald light.

p. 5, 5th edition Necron Codex

Much of the territory once ruled by the Charnovokh Dynasty lies far to the galactic southeast. Many of its dormant Tomb Worlds were devoured by Hive Fleet Behemoth, and countless others have been ravaged against the Imperium's counterattacks against the Tyranids. As a result, the remaining systems of the Charnovokh Dynasty are many, but small and scattered.

p. 10, 5th edition Necron Codex

From the above quotes we see that despite Necrons being resilient and often repaired, there are still times when some are destroyed. There is also no evidence new Necrons are being created. The only Necrons are those leftover from the Necrontyr bio-transference as all Necrons are essentially Necrontyr personalities dumped into a metal body. Constructing things like scarabs, wraiths, or spyders isn't the same as constructing new Necrons. Even if only 1 in 10,000 Necrons is destroyed in combat, that still means over time the number diminishes over time, just very slowly.

The 2nd quote, showing the Charnovokh Dynasty to be scattered and diminished also shows that they are not truly infinite in number. If they were truly infinite, then there could not be such a thing as a weakened dynasty by definition since they would have infinite numbers.

Numerous does not equate to infinite.