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My plan for my next army is a fluffy Ordo Xenos/Deathwatch army using the GK codex. I want to throw a lot of warrior acolytes with storm bolters into the mix (maybe having three squads in land raiders to represent having the best resources in the imperium.) The problem is that actual storm bolters are very expensive to collect in large numbers, and most of them would look silly on the cadians I'm planning on using. I considered the method of filing and compressing two boltguns, but I'm just not in love with the way it looks. I was considering using the drum fed carbines from anvil industries to do it. Do you think the stockiness of the carbine and the drum magazine make it believably wyswyg?

Pick the characteristics of a storm-bolter and go from there. Storm bolters are short, stocky, twin-barrelled and have big box magazines. So far nothing really screams storm bolter to me.

I think the bottom one (1st pic) would be a good starting point - chop the butt off and add one of the drum mags.

NoBaconz4You wrote:Pick the characteristics of a storm-bolter and go from there. Storm bolters are short, stocky, twin-barrelled and have big box magazines. So far nothing really screams storm bolter to me.

I think the bottom one (1st pic) would be a good starting point - chop the butt off and add one of the drum mags.

Not all storm bolters are box fed. Some are belt fed, some have dual banana clips and I believe some of the older models were drum fed. I feel like the only gripe people could have is that they're single barreled.

I think it's a good choice, especially #5. Sure, it's not double barreled, but I imagine it will look big and bulky in a Cadian's hands, helping to capture the 'feel' of a Stormbolter. As far as the drum magazine goes, the Sisters of Battle vehicle mounted stormbolter comes with a double-drum magazine, so there is precedent.

Oakenshield wrote:

NoBaconz4You wrote:Pick the characteristics of a storm-bolter and go from there. Storm bolters are short, stocky, twin-barrelled and have big box magazines. So far nothing really screams storm bolter to me.

I think the bottom one (1st pic) would be a good starting point - chop the butt off and add one of the drum mags.

Not all storm bolters are box fed. Some are belt fed, some have dual banana clips and I believe some of the older models were drum fed. I feel like the only gripe people could have is that they're single barreled.

This is true. However when addressing wysiwyg I try to aim for the first image that comes to mind, as it is usually most recognizable.

The SW Terminator box has like 4 different designs of Storm Bolter in it.

Which is actually a good place to start looking for Storm Bolters, SW players... I think I used one of the ones that came in the box and each SW pack box comes with at least another one. I have probably 5-10 of them sitting around.

sure

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/?_nkw=storm%20bolters&clk_rvr_id=329838840902

Storm bolters, reasonably cheap.

That said? Yes, I would accept the above as storm bolters.

I wouldn't throw a hissy fit or refuse to play. I would argue from a design perspective it isn't very WYSYWIG. They just look like different patterns of regular bolters. The defining feature of storm bolters is their duel barrelled design.

I don't think it is a big issue, but personally I would try and figure out a duel barreled design.

The problem with using the actual storm bolter is a that they'd have to all be wielded one handed, and they look HUGE on a guardsman, with those carbines they'd still look huge, they'd have the clunky aesthetic but they could be carried with two hands.

Those are lasguns. They look nothing like storm bolters.

riplikash wrote:I wouldn't throw a hissy fit or refuse to play. I would argue from a design perspective it isn't very WYSYWIG. They just look like different patterns of regular bolters. The defining feature of storm bolters is their duel barrelled design.

I don't think it is a big issue, but personally I would try and figure out a duel barreled design.

I understand your point of view. I only casually game, but I've been playing with the idea of building this army tournament legal. I think I'm going to order one and assemble it on a gaurdsman and try to see if i can work out an over-under double barrel pattern on it that doesn't look stupid.

They dont look anything like storm bolters, but i wouldn't really be that bothered

I would accept any of them, provided they are different enough from any actual bolters you field in your army. That's from a counts as perspective though, I don't think any of them look like storm bolters at all.


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Oakenshield wrote:The problem with using the actual storm bolter is a that they'd have to all be wielded one handed, and they look HUGE on a guardsman, with those carbines they'd still look huge, they'd have the clunky aesthetic but they could be carried with two hands.

They don't have to be one-handed, I have seen them modeled with the second hand helping to hold them up. I researched this because I was thinking of doing it myself.
You are right about the other problems though, they will look huge and clunky. The smallest stormbolters around are the GK ones, that's your best bet if you want to use real stormbolters if you are worried about the size issue.

I would accept them.

Who is to say that a stormbolter has to have 2 barrels anyway. The differentiating factor is rate of fire I believe. So long as you don't have similar weapons for something else there cant be any confusion.

If you have to have 2 barrels then I would suggest it would be simple to fit additional barrels to guns 1 to 4 in an over and under configuration.

Those weapons in the OP are pretty sweet, where are they from?

Bolters definatly. Storm bolters... is a bit of a stretch.

I'd happy accept them in game though, as long as you clearly pointed them out as storm bolters before the game starts.

I'd be a bit annoyed to find out they're stormbolters only when the unit opens fire..

notprop wrote:

Those weapons in the OP are pretty sweet, where are they from?

Anvilindustries.co.uk


Thanks for the input guys, I think I'm gonna try converting one with no stock/over-under barrel and look for reactions.

The grenade launchers some green stuff onto one of those rifle'like frames and it would make quite a nice 2handed alternative storm bolter for a guardsmen. The only thing that is really a problem is pretty much that storm bolters are supposed to be big, its a terminator weapon and relitively superior to a bolt gun and I would think any alterations into a rifle-like form for guardsmen to show that kind of size'age/superiority.

That said I wouldn't have a problem with you using them personally my only fear is that if you don't force it to stand out being bigger/grander then the rest of the weapons in your army those rifles could easily be mistook as lasrifles or boltguns.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Those are lasguns. They look nothing like storm bolters.

No, the ones with open-sided mags clearly have shells, therefor they are solid projectile weapons. They arent storm bolters, but they are closer to that then they are lasguns.

OP...I wouldnt mind, and most (not all) probably wont either, as long as you make it clear what they are before you start the game.

They don't look like stormbolters to me. That having been said, the real deal looks a bit ridiculous as I found out:


It's possible to do two-handed grips (which still look ridiculous) and the SW stormbolters are an inexpensive and plentiful source. That's actually why I went that route; they were the least expensive option that I could use on short notice. I guess that SW players aren't big stormbolter fans or something.

I saw a tutorial somewhere on here about piggybacking regular bolters on top of one another and it looked better than Space Marine stormbolters, but I didn't relish the idea of yet another conversion with each model. That might be worth searching down if you don't mind the work.

n00ber wrote:They don't look like stormbolters to me. That having been said, the real deal looks a bit ridiculous as I found out:


It's possible to do two-handed grips (which still look ridiculous) and the SW stormbolters are an inexpensive and plentiful source. That's actually why I went that route; they were the least expensive option that I could use on short notice. I guess that SW players aren't big stormbolter fans or something.

I saw a tutorial somewhere on here about piggybacking regular bolters on top of one another and it looked better than Space Marine stormbolters, but I didn't relish the idea of yet another conversion with each model. That might be worth searching down if you don't mind the work.

Ugggh, the paint and modeling on those looks so awesome, and it's totally offset by the gun being as big as the dude. I honestly like the job you did on the two handed one. I think I'm gonna try out a couple options, stormbolter, anvil industries carbine the double bolt pistol melding.




EDIT: Actually I just found the drum barrels I'd been looking for all this time. I'm thinking melded pistols with this magazine might look very similar to the storm bolter but be more reasonably proportioned.
http://zinge.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=20&product_id=125

I agree a double barrelled weapon is the best way to go.

Instead of the side-by-side barrels, how about the combi-weapon approach, with one barrel above the other? You may be able to convert marine combiweapons, which tend to be a little more compact than storm bolters.

I wouldn't care but they look nothing like storm bolters.

Cut the butt off and add a drum-magazine. Then paint them in a distinct way.

"See those big guns with the red trim? Those are all Stormbolters."

Don't just leave it at, say drummags as most people wont be able to see the mag when standing over the table.

Oh, and of course don't use those same guns for anything else in the army.

It needs two barrels.

The guns you posted substitute well for lasguns, as they are essentially exactly what autoguns are.

They could stretch as bolters.

They do not resemble storm bolters at all.

Gotta agree for WYSIWYG they fail to meet the requirements of storm bolters.

But for playing purposes I would accept them, But others are more fickle about such matters then myself.

One option would be to smooth one edge of the guns and glue two together to give that duel look. The twin or double width barrel defines a storm bolter to me.

Ebay for Space Wolves bits is also a good idea, You do get a lot on the SW troops frame.

As for picking the characteristics of a Storm Bolter, much more important are the in-game effects, not the look. After all shuriken catapults pretty much have SB stats and look nothing like SBs.

Go for it, I think those rifles look neat. Make them drum fed, add the underslung GL and say they have the stopping power and stats of a storm bolter.

As long as they can be clearly differentiated from anyother rifle in your army and all your "SB" armed guys are using the same thing then its easy. You just need to let your opponent know before each game.

The guns in my Terranwing army look nothing like the normal Terminator weapons, but as they're consistent it doesn't matter.

Could just go with the last one and add a second barrel under the first, perhaps change the grenade launcher attachment into it. It'd have the two barrels to show off the twin linked, but be vertically next to each other instead of horizontally; leading to a smaller SB design.

But storm bolters aren't twin linked

Mixing them up with how they were essentially two bolters put together. I blame chaos.