My First Ork List - 1500 Points

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**Dr. What**

I'm just starting Orks, Input will be appreciated.

NOTE: I am limited on units, but I can proxy some things for now.

Warboss - Power Klaw, 'Eavy Armor

Weirdboy - Warphead

Kommandos X15 - (Snikrot included in 15)

Tankbustas X10 - (Nob with Bosspole included in 10)

Ork Boyz X20 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20)

Ork Boyz X20 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20)

Ork Boyz X20 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20)

'Ard Boyz (Warboss' Retinue) - All 'Ard Boyz

3 Skorchas

3 Zzap Guns - 3 Extra Grot Crew (1 for each)

Gretchin X37 (2 Runtherds included in the 37, 35 Grots)

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I'm thinking of swapping something out for some Deffkoptas, but I'm not sure.

**jbsnv**

this is a really good infantry spam list but you should add some vehicals or something to mix it up sure 100 some boys are hard to kill but not imposible that and you have to walk the whole way there but also commandos are ok but try useing storm boys with their special boss

tank bustas are ok as well but they fail at shooting so when fighting a 14 armored vehical you have to be lucky to kill it i would recoment a killacan or deff drreads or if you want to go bold a forgeworld lifta wagon (proxy this useing a battle wagon)

zzap guns have a tendency to fail i would just keep them at lobbas and getchin are used as meat shields for your boys or get rid of the and add more things

skorchas are good but you can switch them for rockits witch are better for killing lighter vehicals such as rhinos but if you want you can switch for deff
koptas or better yet transport your boys in a war kopta

weirdboys are random they can be god they can be horrable same with zzap guns

**Dr. What**

Ok, so take missiles on wartrakks instead of tankbustas, maybe burna boyz instead?

Drop the weirdboy and grots for some kanz, what weapons for the kanz?

**jbsnv**

if you need more points get rid of the trakks all togehter burna boys are very good but best if you put them in a vehical like a battle wagon 15 flame stranth 4 flame templates on a group of enamys thats insane

deponds on the kans deff dreads are for melee

killa kans are for range and anti vehical melee

also get lifta wagons they are the ultamet vehical killer for the orks

**dinnermeat**

get the kan's rockets, hey they're bs 3 so should hit something!

**jbsnv**

dinnermeat wrote:get the kan's rockets, hey they're bs 3 so should hit something!

if you get 3 of them that is

**Omfgorzzz**

I would drop the weirdboy and go with a Big Mek(KFF). Just my opinion.

**Dr. What**

BTW, No Forge World

**Grimgar314**

If you want to run wierdboys or tankbustas, run them in one unit. A warphead can only help them and If you take 15 tankbustas he is ld 10, and them paired is one of the best ways to run either of them.

You cant take grots in a unit that size. Sorry. Drop them down to 29.

Change skorchas to rokkit buggies. Skorchas perform poorly to alternatives.

If you keep the tankbustas, give two tankhammers and find a way to get 3 bomb squigs in there.

Don't make"warbosses retinue ard boys. Its a waste of points . Make the squad bigger.

If you don't want to keep tankbustas or warphead Drop them. For suicide koptas

Koptas with saws and rokkits work well. I prefer them over any other anti tank orks have. Some prefer rokkit buggies but I like koptas.

Above all in this list ditch the warphead for a kff mek. Best ork HQ ever.

On big gunz, zzap gunz are the worst, give them kannons and turn extra krew into ammo runts.

Good luck with orks, they are one of the most fun armies in 40k.(in my opinion of course)

**Dr. What**

Here's an updated list:

Warboss - Power Klaw, 'Eavy Armor

Kommandos X15 - (Snikrot included in 15)

Burna Boyz X10

Ork Boyz X20 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20)

Ork Boyz X20 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20)

Ork Boyz X20 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20)

'Ard Boyz (Warboss' Retinue) - All 'Ard Boyz (Some armor saves could be pretty darn helpful in CC to provide longevity)

Deffkoptas X3 - 3 Twin-Linked Rokkit Launchas, 3 Bigbomms

3 Big Gunz - Lobbas

2 Big Gunz - Kannons

Killa Kans X3 - Rokkit Launchas

**dinnermeat**

I like it but bigbomms are waste of points, give them claws to rip armor in close combat, cause if your rockets fails you assult on rear armor everytime *__*.

**Dr. What**

So:

Warboss - Power Klaw, 'Eavy Armor

Kommandos X15 - (Snikrot included in 15)

Burna Boyz X10

Ork Boyz X20 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20)

Ork Boyz X20 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20)

Ork Boyz X20 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20)

'Ard Boyz (Warboss' Retinue) - All 'Ard Boyz (Some armor saves could be pretty darn helpful in CC to provide longevity)

Deffkoptas X3 - 3 Twin-Linked Rokkit Launchas, 3 Buzzsaws

3 Big Gunz - Lobbas, 3 Ammo Runts

Killa Kans X3 - Rokkit Launchas

**Maddok_Death**

My experience with Kommandos isnt so good either is Ard Boys, i'd use Ard Boys for 2000 pt games or more.

Change the Ard Boys to Normal Boys with a Nob w/ pwr claw, boss pole and stick the wierd boy with them

You should have a chunk of points for lootas... i cant say it enough lootas are the tank killers and infintry killers of orks.
Stick the lootas in the back of the bored in terrain the higher the better, lay down some cover fire.

I'd drop the buzzsaws also, they are going to be the distraction while your boys move in for the kill. I use buggies for this purpose.

Use some of your boys as shootas and some as sluggas, shootas have saved my life more than once.

Try and use your killa kans as a wall and boys behind it, with your burnas protected from enemy fire, Join your Warboss with the slugga choppa boys.

Or you could change your warboss for a Big Mek with a KFF, it would give your killa kans hulled down, 4+ cover save.

The lobbas are good, they usually dont get mess with unless your opponent needs the kill point, and usually get their kills worth in damage.

Give your warboss a boss pole too, ive lost two to failing morale checks and the being over ran.

What heavy guns are you giving your boyz? either or is fine.

Hopfully this helps you, but the best way to figure it all out is with practice.

**jbsnv**

put burna boys in a transport trust me they can shoot out of it

the deffkoptas with buzz saws are if your going cc

the killa kans are in a squad

**Dr. What**

I have no points for transports.

**Grimgar314**

Maddok_Death wrote:My experience with Kommandos isnt so good either is Ard Boys, i'd use Ard Boys for 2000 pt games or more.
Kommandos are good if you play them right, however every now and then they stink if you have really poor rolling.
Change the Ard Boys to Normal Boys with a Nob w/ pwr claw, boss pole and stick the wierd boy with them
yes
You should have a chunk of points for lootas... i cant say it enough lootas are the tank killers and infintry killers of orks.
Stick the lootas in the back of the bored in terrain the higher the better, lay down some cover fire.
[What makes lootas good at anti tank? at best they get 7.5 pen/glancing hits on a vehicle at av11. 12.5 wounds. And thats at 225 points. Wow thats great... One third of the time and even then they are not overly impressive.. They are also squishy and I tend to not like them. They work in circumstance and with lucky rolling. I lack one of those and have no time for the other, so imo they don't make the cut.
I'd drop the buzzsaws also, they are going to be the distraction while your boys move in for the kill. I use buggies for this purpose
The saws is what makes koptas good. A saw (if you go first) guarantees 1 dead vehicle and probably a second. (if you go second outflank them with similar results) Koptas pop transports and do it well with decent survivability. The distraction is just an added bonus.
[Use some of your boys as shootas and some as sluggas, shootas have saved my life more than once
I agree completely
Try and use your killa kans as a wall and boys behind it, with your burnas protected from enemy fire, Join your Warboss with the slugga choppa boys.
Yes
Or you could change your warboss for a Big Mek with a KFF, it would give your killa kans hulled down, 4+ cover save.
Ohh ohh yes
The lobbas are good, they usually dont get mess with unless your opponent needs the kill point, and usually get their kills worth in damage.
I prefer kannons
Give your warboss a boss pole too, ive lost two to failing morale checks and the being over ran.
If squads nob have bp its useless
What heavy guns are you giving your boyz? either or is fine.

Hopfully this helps you, but the best way to figure it all out is with practice.
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Dr. What, split the koptas up into three units. Also burna boys have to be in something, I find kannons better than lobbas for their increased variability. An armor save is useful on ard boys for increased survivability, just with ten ard boys you could have 16 normal boys, which gets more shots/attacks and is going to last longer even with a 6+. And that is on minimum numbers. 15 ard boys is 25 rgular boys. See my point? Kanz are good only other thing try to get a kff mek in there, it is the best ork HQ.

**jbsnv**

what do you mean that you have 0 points for transports??? you should get some they will help you

**Dr. What**

Grimgar314 wrote:
Dr. What, split the koptas up into three units.

Ok, Will do.

Grimgar314 wrote:
Also burna boys have to be in something,

I want them with my foot sloggers because (I know I'm going against Tau) when those kroot come out, they can be KFK (Kentucky Fried Kroot (TSOALR Reference)) and I don't have to take a pit-stop to kill them.

Grimgar314 wrote:
I find kannons better than lobbas for their increased variability.

Seems logical, but it risks being shot up because of the need for LOS. That's my fear.

Grimgar314 wrote:
An armor save is useful on ard boys for increased survivability, just with ten ard boys you could have 16 normal boys, which gets more shots/attacks and is going to last longer even with a 6+. And that is on minimum numbers. 15 ard boys is 25 rgular boys. See my point?

Yes, I do, maybe I'll drop this squad and split its contents amongst the other three? Then throw the Warboss with the one that is one short. Does that seem better?

Grimgar314 wrote:
only other thing try to get a kff mek in there, it is the best ork HQ.

If I was running transports, I would, but I'd rather not.

The List Becomes:

Warboss - Power Klaw, 'Eavy Armor

Kommandos X15 - (Snikrot included in 15)

Burna Boyz X10

Ork Boyz X25 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20) Warboss Goes Here!

Ork Boyz X26 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20)

Ork Boyz X26 - (Nob with Power Klaw and Bosspole included in 20)

Deffkopta - Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha, Buzzsaw

Deffkopta - Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha, Buzzsaw

Deffkopta - Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha, Buzzsaw

3 Big Gunz - Lobbas, 3 Ammo Runts

Killa Kans X3 - Rokkit Launchas

EDIT: 5 points under, allowed to go 1 point over, added another boy, moved Warboss to a different squad.

**jbsnv**

this is 1500 points on the dot right? its turning out to be a good list

but scince your fighting tau... what does the tau have mabe we can help you counter it

**Dr. What**

I don't know his exact list:

But he's got (I don't know exact numbers):

2 squads of kroot with shapers

a squad of drones

a stealth suit team

~4 battlesuits (HQ is one)

2 Squads of Fire Warriors

A Devilfish loaded with Dakka

A hammerhead.

**jbsnv**

that hammer head can wipe out 90% of your boys with 1 shot keep them spread out and in cover is possible and take it out with anything thats fast and has anti vehical 1st that hammer head is #1 priority target

devilfish loaded with dakka? so mabe pathfinders they can mark you witch increases the bs of tau when you get the chance smash their faces in

battle suits eh? that might be a problum for you depending on what they are loaded out with its best to try and kill them before they can shoot you with insane weapons with 5 shots or lb template weapons

stealth suits arnt that much of a problum just watch your flank

drones are silly tau should never have them unless they are to keep your orks from meleeing your tau so shoot them and they will die

kroot are pathetic but they can be annoying they will probably objective holders

fire warriors are a big probalum for you 30 inch range on their normal guns get as much cover as possible

to counter tau the best thing you need it ALOT of FAST melee units like stormboyz or anything that can move fast like your deffkoptas fast orks that melee is a good thing also remeber where that hammer head is it can kill everything you have if it gets enough shooting in

**Dr. What**

I figure the defkoptas are going to suicide into the 2 tanks, hopefully keeping them down for the game.

**jbsnv**

attack their rear armor with the coptas but they will probably shot down before they can get there

**Dr. What**

But what would I drop to add transportation for all of da boyz?

And each squad won't fit into a transport...

**jbsnv**

i honsetly dont know mabe battle wagions to fit them in but idk

**Dr. What**

Better Yet:

For more anti-tank, how about I drop the ammo runts on the lobbas and give stik bombs to da boyz?

**jbsnv**

stick bombs killing tanks thats insane that would never happen unless you where really lucky or if it had armor 10 all around

**Blood Lord Soldado**

jbsnv wrote:stick bombs killing tanks thats insane that would never happen unless you where really lucky or if it had armor 10 all around

You always hit the rear armor in assault, besides it you are hitting it in assault, you will kill it with the Klaw.

I would drop the lobbas, they do nothing.

Drop the lobbas, ammo runts and 1 boy to get a big mek with a KFF.

The 5+ invuln on your boys and 4+ invuln on your Kans will do more than 100 lobbas.

**Dr. What**

Within 6"...6" can't hold a whole WAAAAGH!

**jbsnv**

Dr. What wrote:Within 6"...6" can't hold a whole WAAAAGH!

no but it will hold valuable targets and also works in vehicals