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2012/05/04 13:00:06
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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So im going for something different here, I want to know who do you HATE/DISLIKE in the 40K Universe, it can be a character, chapter/Legion, etc. For me it has to be Iron Warriors for a start, after reading Dead Sky Black sun I had an amount of disgust for how they bred New CSM to fill their ranks, and im a HUGE Chaos fan hahaha. I have a dislike for the Blood Angels as well for how they Hunt Talos of The Night Lords in order to get back the Holy Relic Aurum. So I digress, who do you HATE/DISLIKE?
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2012/05/04 13:01:02
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Draigo.
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2012/05/04 13:05:50
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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Dislike:
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Hate:
-Space Wolves
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2012/05/04 13:09:06
Subject: Re:Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Space Wolves, Black Templars, Ethereal Caste, Monodominant Inquisitors, Radical Inquisitors, Leman Russ
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/05/04 13:09:52
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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Apothecary8404Talos wrote:So im going for something different here, I want to know who do you HATE/DISLIKE in the 40K Universe, it can be a character, chapter/Legion, etc. For me it has to be Iron Warriors for a start, after reading Dead Sky Black sun I had an amount of disgust for how they bred New CSM to fill their ranks, and im a HUGE Chaos fan hahaha.
That's kinda the whole point, it's supposed to be horrifying and disgusting, they are after all *CHAOS* marines, that's pretty run of the mill stuff for them 
As for what I really dislike, most loyalist SM fluff of recent years is really bad in general, be it Codex stuff or Black Library. Whether it is Mat Ward's stories that read like bad internet fanfic, Abnett's "yeah one tac squad can totally take on thousands of Dark Eldar at once and win", Reynold's "yeah, 10 billion well armed and equipped veteran guardsmen with plenty of forwarning on a heavily entrenched on a fortress world aren't considered a match for 6,000 CSM's", it all really just smacks of lazy fanservice, and the move away from the "psycho-lobotomized high tech super soldier warrior monk" to "knights in SPAAAACE" has not helped, with the visuals moving much more towards medieval knights with laurels, furs, eagles, etc and away from wires, pipes, spikes, servos, lenses, skulls, etc.
Also, yeah, as others mentioned, Space Wolves. They try far too hard to be too many contradictory things and come off looking extremely hypocritical and obnoxious for it, and arrogant in the extreme. As was brought up by another on these boards, they come off as Space Hipsters "oh we don't use psykers, they're bad, we have the native power of fenris, you're probably never heard of it." even though it's just them being wilfully ignorant. It also doesn't help that they're protrayed and have their rules written as "Marines+1"
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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2012/05/04 13:18:43
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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I'm willing to say that Space Wolf-hate comes a close second to the Ultramarines...
Personally, I have several reasons:
1) The Burning of Prospero. The Emperor specifically ordered them to take Magnus into custody, not burn one of the most cultured worlds in the galaxy to ashes and destroy the Thousand Sons. Sure, Horus used his authority as Warmaster to change the orders, but for someone who was supposed to uphold and uphold the ideals of the Imperial Truth, Russ was a complete douche.
2) Hypocrisy. What exactly is this 'nature energy' of Fenris? How is it really different from other Librarian disciplines? The Space Wolves use of chants and shamanistic rituals doesn't really seem all that different from the Thousand Sons own cult system.
3) Simply put, Space Wolves and their Primarch are a bunch of rabid dogs. Just the way they act rubs me the wrong way.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/05/04 13:24:21
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Morphing Obliterator
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Space Wolves. Nearly everything of them. The Vikings-theme, the wolves, the arrogance, the destruction of the Thousand Sons and so on...
I were supposed to not really like Tyranids and Necrons, but after a friend showed me their fluff I do not really mind them at all and I'm really beginning to like the MCs of the Tyranids 
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2012/05/04 13:53:24
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Bounding Assault Marine
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SW and Tyranids. Nids eat everything. They don't give a single _ about what they put in their mouths. Secondly, SW because they are just dogs tbh. Nothing special just OP CC monsters...
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 A battleforce, some guardians, a DA box, 2 banshee boxes,1 warp spider box,2 swooping hawk boxes, Found new love for the guys, debating on whether i should start or not |
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2012/05/04 13:58:38
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Norn Queen
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Diabolical13 wrote:Nids eat everything. They don't give a single _ about what they put in their mouths.
What an incredibly broad brush you have.
I dislike the Imperium because all they do is kill. They don't give a single _ about what they shoot at.
You can do that for any race and make them sound dull.
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2012/05/04 14:01:30
Subject: Re:Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Tyranids aren't so bad. What I don't like though is the very idea of the Swarmlord. For the Hive Mind to have an 'avatar' seems too 'human' for me.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/05/04 14:02:21
Subject: Re:Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Wicked Warp Spider
A cave, deep in the Misty Mountains
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I really don't like Draigo because he defeated my favourite demon primarch, and I think that's a load of BS.
Also, Cato Sicarius, Marneus Calgar and Roboute Guilliman, though mostly Calgar. One chapter master cannot hold an orke horde for a night and day alone. 20 ork boys with choppa, nob with power claw on the charge will take Calgar and win.
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Craftworld Eleuven 4500
LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
 LoneLictor wrote:I like to imagine the Emperor kills so many Orks that he ends up half buried beneath a pile of corpses, with only his head sticking out. A lone grot stumbles across him, and starts choking him.
Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space.
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2012/05/04 14:04:46
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Fralethepalewhale wrote:Draigo.
Wow. Draigo'd in one. /slowclap.
I hate/ dislike hate threads.
This thread should end well.
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2012/05/04 14:06:32
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Wicked Warp Spider
A cave, deep in the Misty Mountains
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pretre wrote:Fralethepalewhale wrote:Draigo.
Wow. Draigo'd in one. /slowclap.
I hate/ dislike hate threads.
This thread should end well.
It's funny cause of your sig. Just had to throw that in there... 
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Craftworld Eleuven 4500
LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
LoneLictor wrote:I like to imagine the Emperor kills so many Orks that he ends up half buried beneath a pile of corpses, with only his head sticking out. A lone grot stumbles across him, and starts choking him.
Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space.
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2012/05/04 14:09:44
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Guardsman with Flashlight
Norway
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I Hate Spezz marines, They are so Spezzial, their fluff sux and in roleplay they are OP.
Playing guardsmen is the gak!
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2012/05/04 14:13:19
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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I never quite liked the Space Wolves. The arrogance factor is part of it, but their whole flavor, to me, seems a bit too campy for the 40k world.
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2012/05/04 14:17:10
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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TermiesInARaider wrote:I never quite liked the Space Wolves. The arrogance factor is part of it, but their whole flavor, to me, seems a bit too campy for the 40k world.
Trust me, you're not the only one.
Top three hates in Dakka:
1) Ultramarines
2) Space Wolves
3) Matt Ward
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/05/04 14:18:25
Subject: Re:Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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I despise Abbadon. He's had 13 tries. Hes had goddamn Primarchs go with him. He's powered by all the gods. He's fething Horus!
And yet, none of it has ever worked. None of it.
/Sigh
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2012/05/04 14:20:03
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Hate: People that say Failcost, Finecost, Failcrap and think they're being clever or original.
Dislike: Putting together a drop pod.
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DA:70S+G+M+B++I++Pw40k08+D++A++/fWD-R+T(M)DM+
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2012/05/04 14:23:33
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Tadashi wrote:TermiesInARaider wrote:I never quite liked the Space Wolves. The arrogance factor is part of it, but their whole flavor, to me, seems a bit too campy for the 40k world.
Trust me, you're not the only one.
Top three hates in Dakka:
1) Ultramarines
2) Space Wolves
3) Matt Ward
I suppose the Ultramarines do have that 'pretty-boy' status going. They're basically the big-man-on-campus of the Space Marines, but in my opinion, they can definitely get the job done, and all in all, earn their reputation, if not their hype. The Space Wolves, however are just... Ugh. Russ was the angsty, raging teenager of the Primarchs, and his legion definitely inherited that.
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2012/05/04 14:24:03
Subject: Re:Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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Chowderhead wrote:I despise Abbadon. He's had 13 tries. Hes had goddamn Primarchs go with him. He's powered by all the gods. He's fething Horus!
And yet, none of it has ever worked. None of it.
/Sigh
You're assuming the goal of each one was to topple the Imperium and reach Terra. This is false. Abaddon's Black Crusades have all been baby steps building on each other. In general, he has accomplished his primary aims with each Black Crusade. With the Gothic War (12th) he seized the Blackstone Fortresses that he set out to take, and with the 13th, he stands ready to break the Cadian Gate and stands in the ascendancy in that conflict.
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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2012/05/04 14:25:35
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Lord Rogukiel wrote:It's funny cause of your sig. Just had to throw that in there...
That was kind of the point. 
Tadashi wrote:
Top three hates in Dakka:
1) Ultramarines
2) Space Wolves
3) Matt Ward
You missed the real #1: Threads about those three topics.
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2012/05/04 14:26:26
Subject: Re:Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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Vaktathi wrote:Chowderhead wrote:I despise Abbadon. He's had 13 tries. Hes had goddamn Primarchs go with him. He's powered by all the gods. He's fething Horus!
And yet, none of it has ever worked. None of it.
/Sigh
You're assuming the goal of each one was to topple the Imperium and reach Terra. This is false. Abaddon's Black Crusades have all been baby steps building on each other. In general, he has accomplished his primary aims with each Black Crusade. With the Gothic War (12th) he seized the Blackstone Fortresses that he set out to take, and with the 13th, he stands ready to break the Cadian Gate and stands in the ascendancy in that conflict.
Yeah.
I'm more disappointed on how his rules don't match his fluff at all.
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2012/05/04 14:28:06
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Wicked Warp Spider
A cave, deep in the Misty Mountains
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kronk wrote:Hate: People that say Failcost, Finecost, Failcrap and think they're being clever or original.
Dislike: Putting together a drop pod.
Couldn't agree with you more, especially for the drop pod.
In my first game with my DA, I pick up my drop pod by its base, being all careful, and it literally falls apart in my hand. 
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Craftworld Eleuven 4500
LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
LoneLictor wrote:I like to imagine the Emperor kills so many Orks that he ends up half buried beneath a pile of corpses, with only his head sticking out. A lone grot stumbles across him, and starts choking him.
Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space.
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2012/05/04 14:28:18
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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His rules are fairly gak, but that's in large part because GW went through 3 different design philosophy phases in 3 years and the CSM book was right smack in the middle of that.
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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2012/05/04 14:50:42
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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TermiesInARaider wrote:Tadashi wrote:TermiesInARaider wrote:I never quite liked the Space Wolves. The arrogance factor is part of it, but their whole flavor, to me, seems a bit too campy for the 40k world.
Trust me, you're not the only one.
Top three hates in Dakka:
1) Ultramarines
2) Space Wolves
3) Matt Ward
I suppose the Ultramarines do have that 'pretty-boy' status going. They're basically the big-man-on-campus of the Space Marines, but in my opinion, they can definitely get the job done, and all in all, earn their reputation, if not their hype. The Space Wolves, however are just... Ugh. Russ was the angsty, raging teenager of the Primarchs, and his legion definitely inherited that.
To be honest, the Ultramarines aren't so bad in my opinion, even if Calgar is a bit OP. The Wolves on the other hand...hmmm, what to say in their defense...perhaps it would be easier to say why people don't like them.
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'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/05/04 14:54:48
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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Tadashi wrote:The Wolves on the other hand...hmmm, what to say in their defense..
Space Vikings.
Need I say more?
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2012/05/04 14:55:16
Subject: Re:Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Dakka Veteran
Somewhere in the Galactic East
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I hate Speehss Mahreens completely. They're just so... Bland. Nuetered Super Human Soldiers that aren't considered Human anymore? Each of them Supermen? Even the dysfunctional sort (Blood Angles, Space Wolves) are still 'loyal, unwavering' halfwits. Bleh.
What I dislike? Chapter of the Month Space Marine Players...
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"We descend upon them like lightning from a cloudless sky."
Va'Krata Sept - 2500 Points
"The barbarian Gue'la deserve nothing but a swift death in a shallow grave." |
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2012/05/04 14:57:33
Subject: Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Napoleonics Obsesser
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The black Templars, because they're just like the glorious Word Bearers, but they get away with their overzealous ways because the emperor died
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2012/05/04 14:59:38
Subject: Re:Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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KplKeegan wrote:I hate Speehss Mahreens completely. They're just so... Bland. Nuetered Super Human Soldiers that aren't considered Human anymore? Each of them Supermen? Even the dysfunctional sort (Blood Angles, Space Wolves) are still 'loyal, unwavering' halfwits. Bleh.
What I dislike? Chapter of the Month Space Marine Players...
Without Space Marines, the Imperium would have fallen long ago, or better yet, never would have existed. The Astartes are just as important as the Guard and the Navy and everyone else is. Chowderhead wrote:Tadashi wrote:The Wolves on the other hand...hmmm, what to say in their defense..
Space Vikings. Need I say more?
I don't mind that, but their attitude needs fixing. Samus_aran115 wrote:The black Templars, because they're just like the glorious Word Bearers, but they get away with their overzealous ways because the emperor died
Finally. Someone understands...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/05/04 15:04:54
Subject: Re:Who do you Hate/Dislsike?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Tadashi wrote:Chowderhead wrote:Tadashi wrote:The Wolves on the other hand...hmmm, what to say in their defense..
Space Vikings.
Need I say more?
I don't mind that, but their attitude needs fixing.
I'm actually quite curious about this.
What part of their attitude do you think needs fixing?
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