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Recently I was idly browsing Google Images and I found a (work-safe) picture of a very pretty Japanese girl. It was a lovely picture, so I clicked on it. To my horror, I was taken to the Stormfront forum (the picture was part of a thread about how much the thread pozter detested interracial dating). I had only heard of Stormfront, and didn't know much about it. Safe to say I was not impressed.

What I want to know is how come Stormfront is allowed to exist, when it is clearly a hate speech site, and surely violating anti-racism laws? To give you an idea on the level of stupidity we're talking about, someone said that the Jews are to blame for pornography (the fact anyone is to "blame" for pornography itself is laughable) along with other things.

So why is it allowed to exist?

Well freedom of speech and all that. As long as they aren't advocating violence. It rubs me all kinds of wrong way, but there you go.

For the record, I'm fairly sure God is to blame for pornography.

Ill agree with that. Why else were women made so friggin attractive and make sex feel so good? If not to let our minds wander into doing such acts on camera. Makes sense to me

wikipedia wrote:In the United States, hate speech is legal (except for obscenity, defamation, incitement to riot, and fighting words).[52] Laws prohibiting hate speech are unconstitutional in the United States; the United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech.

Simple. Don't go on the website. If they shut this down why not shut down Anarchist website, Communist Websites, Monarchists websites and feminists websites just to be fair? See where I'm coming from, if you don't agree with it doesn't mean it has to be closed down, also wouldn't it be smarter for the website to remain open for the Governments to properly keep watch on the Neo-nazi movement to keep stupid things from happening.

Voltaire wrote:I may not like what you say, but I will fight for your right to say it

White supremacists are idiots, but if you ban them from speaking about their views they will feel persecuted and their views will not be aired so you can't see/show how idiotic they actually are.

I thought this thread might be about new space marine flyer, but no, just facists.

I think the Yanks have the right of this one. I mean, I can see both sides of the argument, and I can see why the British way is preferable to many of the delicate types out there, but at the end of the day there should be no such thing as hate speech in my eyes. How many times have I been banned from this site for stating a fact? I had to suck on a week one for merely pointing out that Islam is inherently prejudiced towards women (It is) and that type of thing would get me locked up in the UK as a whole. I think its a crock of gak.

Basically I supported ISLAM4UKs right to march through Royal Wooton Basset. I fully agree freedom of speech, particularly for those that I disagree with.

I welcome them calling our soldiers baby rapers, as long as I can then retort with how utterly fething repugnant I find the tenets of their beliefs.

I believe its because the government doesnt want more people thinking like me. If extremist groups are allowed to behave in the way that I think they should, then more and more people are going to start agreeing with me.

Its swings and roundabouts, and I can see both governments apporaches to the matter. But I do prefer the American way of doing things.

I even heard of an Australian guy getting arrested after he went through the Hadith collections and Qur'an, picked out the most hateful and misogynistic stuff, and then read them aloud on a street corner. I mean, sure its a bit tactless and essentially amounts to shameless quote mining, but if a guy is simply quoting verbatim from their scriptures, and not giving his own opinions on them, how on earth can you be silenced for it?

How many times have I been banned from this site for stating a fact?

Dunno, but the so-called "facts" spouted by the idiots at stormfront are, at best, questionable, and at worst, outright lies.

mattyrm wrote:I think the Yanks have the right of this one. I mean, I can see both sides of the argument, and I can see why the British way is preferable to many of the delicate types out there, but at the end of the day there should be no such thing as hate speech in my eyes. How many times have I been banned from this site for stating a fact? I had to suck on a week one for merely pointing out that Islam is inherently prejudiced towards women (It is) and that type of thing would get me locked up in the UK as a whole. I think its a crock of gak.

Basically I supported ISLAM4UKs right to march through Royal Wooton Basset. I fully agree freedom of speech, particularly for those that I disagree with.

I welcome them calling our soldiers baby rapers, as long as I can then retort with how utterly fething repugnant I find the tenets of their beliefs.

I believe its because the government doesnt want more people thinking like me. If extremist groups are allowed to behave in the way that I think they should, then more and more people are going to start agreeing with me.

Its swings and roundabouts, and I can see both governments apporaches to the matter. But I do prefer the American way of doing things.

I even heard of an Australian guy getting arrested after he went through the Hadith collections and Qur'an, picked out the most hateful and misogynistic stuff, and then read them aloud on a street corner. I mean, sure its a bit tactless and essentially amounts to shameless quote mining, but if a guy is simply quoting verbatim from their scriptures, and not giving his own opinions on them, how on earth can you be silenced for it?

I love that entire post.

But its allowed to exist because people can and should be allowed to say whatever pleases them so long as it does not go against the right of another. IMO, just let it roll off your back, or deal with it however you as an individual see fit, but no group or government should have any say in the rights of an individual.

mattyrm wrote:I think the Yanks have the right of this one. I mean, I can see both sides of the argument, and I can see why the British way is preferable to many of the delicate types out there, but at the end of the day there should be no such thing as hate speech in my eyes. How many times have I been banned from this site for stating a fact? I had to suck on a week one for merely pointing out that Islam is inherently prejudiced towards women (It is) and that type of thing would get me locked up in the UK as a whole. I think its a crock of gak.

Basically I supported ISLAM4UKs right to march through Royal Wooton Basset. I fully agree freedom of speech, particularly for those that I disagree with.

I welcome them calling our soldiers baby rapers, as long as I can then retort with how utterly fething repugnant I find the tenets of their beliefs.

I believe its because the government doesnt want more people thinking like me. If extremist groups are allowed to behave in the way that I think they should, then more and more people are going to start agreeing with me.

Its swings and roundabouts, and I can see both governments apporaches to the matter. But I do prefer the American way of doing things.

I even heard of an Australian guy getting arrested after he went through the Hadith collections and Qur'an, picked out the most hateful and misogynistic stuff, and then read them aloud on a street corner. I mean, sure its a bit tactless and essentially amounts to shameless quote mining, but if a guy is simply quoting verbatim from their scriptures, and not giving his own opinions on them, how on earth can you be silenced for it?

Totally agree, there was the case as well of the girl arrested for naming the dead.

The new law was initially intended to remove Brian Haw, an anti-war protester who has camped in Parliament Square for four years.

But Mr Haw successfully fought off the latest attempt to evict him in the High Court, by arguing his protest pre-dated the legislation.

Epic legislative fail!

Melissia wrote:

The new law was initially intended to remove Brian Haw, an anti-war protester who has camped in Parliament Square for four years.

But Mr Haw successfully fought off the latest attempt to evict him in the High Court, by arguing his protest pre-dated the legislation.

Epic legislative fail!

Stayed there for ten years in the end, died last year of cancer. Probably not helped from living outside for ten years.

dæl wrote:I thought this thread might be about new space marine flyer, but no, just facists.

This made me giggle. Incidentally, I like the Stormtalon.

mattyrm wrote:I even heard of an Australian guy getting arrested after he went through the Hadith collections and Qur'an, picked out the most hateful and misogynistic stuff, and then read them aloud on a street corner. I mean, sure its a bit tactless and essentially amounts to shameless quote mining, but if a guy is simply quoting verbatim from their scriptures, and not giving his own opinions on them, how on earth can you be silenced for it?

It's only slightly better here when you try to do the same thing with the various misogynistic crap in the Bible.

It's just a social push to silence you, instead of a legal one.

If Stormfront is a white power site, why is its founder named Don Black?

Zing!

It was referringto his liver, not his skin.

Here in Montréal, we have our own punk brigade and Anarcho's that goes and bust up every fascist happening they can. I think that's an appropriate solution to this kind of level of stupidity... (plus it gives a use to anarchists!)

Is that also happening in the States?

Kovnik Obama wrote:Here in Montréal, we have our own punk brigade and Anarcho's that goes and bust up every fascist happening they can. I think that's an appropriate solution to this kind of level of stupidity... (plus it gives a use to anarchists!)

Is that also happening in the States?

Sadly, no, I don't think so. They are allowed to exist, I think, until they commit an actual felony that goes beyond talking out of their asses.

There is no law against inciting racial hatred in the US.

Closing down Stormfront will be a bad idea.

1. Freedom of speech still exists, dont go down the route of the UK where freedom of speech exists for some but not others, especially when some forms of hate speech are not challenged while others are challenged very rapidly and very heavy handedly. If Stormfront must go so must other extremist sites includes those promoting extremist Islam, extremist Zionism and Communism. This will be problematical as some hate groups dont like to think themselves as hate groups.

2. Stormfront and siters like it act as a honeypot, those who spend too much time there may be recognised as potential far right extremists. I makes security agenices jobs a lot easier.

3. Shutting down extremist sites gives them more publicity than they deserve, most people don't know about Stormfront, and dont care.

Kovnik Obama wrote:Here in Montréal, we have our own punk brigade and Anarcho's that goes and bust up every fascist happening they can. I think that's an appropriate solution to this kind of level of stupidity... (plus it gives a use to anarchists!)

Is that also happening in the States?

In Britain we have a massive anti-fascist movement and have had for decades, I think the Rock Against Racism concerts first happened in the 70s.

Ah, stormfront.

One of 3 forums where I have an IP ban.

Other 2 are the Raiders Message Board and the Chiefs.


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dæl wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:Here in Montréal, we have our own punk brigade and Anarcho's that goes and bust up every fascist happening they can. I think that's an appropriate solution to this kind of level of stupidity... (plus it gives a use to anarchists!)

Is that also happening in the States?

In Britain we have a massive anti-fascist movement and have had for decades, I think the Rock Against Racism concerts first happened in the 70s.

I take satisfaction in knowing that guy from the EDL got sucker punched by a Muslim.



And because I just think this needs to be viewed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU



original interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYd9qbRz2fc&feature=related

mattyrm wrote: How many times have I been banned from this site for stating a fact?

Zero.

You've been suspended from the site (not banned yet, but persistant failure to learn could change that) multiple times for violating the site's rules, chief among them Be Polite. As an example, one of those Stormfront scumbags could register on Dakka, and it would be a violation of Rule #1 to call him a scumbag, despite it being a fact.

Melissia wrote:

How many times have I been banned from this site for stating a fact?

Dunno, but the so-called "facts" spouted by the idiots at stormfront are, at best, questionable, and at worst, outright lies.

you do know most of their facts come from medical text books and journals printed in the 1920s or in Nazi Germany, right?

Jews changed all that, apparently.

Piston Honda wrote:

Melissia wrote:

How many times have I been banned from this site for stating a fact?

Dunno, but the so-called "facts" spouted by the idiots at stormfront are, at best, questionable, and at worst, outright lies.

you do know most of their facts come from medical text books and journals printed in the 1920s or in Nazi Germany, right?

Jews changed all that, apparently.

So...they are lies/questionable then?

Piston Honda wrote:

Melissia wrote:

How many times have I been banned from this site for stating a fact?

Dunno, but the so-called "facts" spouted by the idiots at stormfront are, at best, questionable, and at worst, outright lies.

you do know most of their facts come from medical text books and journals printed in the 1920s or in Nazi Germany, right?

Jews changed all that, apparently.

Don't see your point, are you saying they are facts and proven in books that have since been altered, or that these people are using deliberately misleading information gleaned from prejudiced material?

Thats quite a brilliant use for auto-tune btw.

Squigsquasher wrote:So why is it allowed to exist?

For the same reason websites like Dakkadakka and google are "allowed" to exist.

Kilkrazy wrote:There is no law against inciting racial hatred in the US.

That's pretty dumb, or sad, or both... I don't care much about what happens on the Internet, because it's the Internet and you would be a fool to care too much about it... but if you go around and publicly assemble to shout that kind of dangerous propaganda, then you deserve to get repeatedly punched in the face for it. At least I hope that the U.S. judges are lenient when condemning acts of violence directed toward neo-nazi scum...

Kovnik Obama wrote:Here in Montréal, we have our own punk brigade and Anarcho's that goes and bust up every fascist happening they can. I think that's an appropriate solution to this kind of level of stupidity... (plus it gives a use to anarchists!)

Is that also happening in the States?

Yes, we have those in the States. We have the crusty kids who dress in black who are antifacist. The hippies who tend to go to the CSU and UC college systems here in California are also active against it. But really, back in the 80s and 90s the punks and sharps kicked the nazis off the streets. Maybe I don't go to as many shows as I used to, but I never see a nazi presence. Where back in the early and mid-nineties they were still hanging out at shows and on the street messing with the local youth until they were chased out of the scene. Most of the nazis I met, were not tolerated at shows or parties. In some places they couldn't get away with walking down the street. In the town I grew up in they used to hang out in the park and fight with the punks and skateboarders until a group of rival highschool gangs joined together with the punks and skaters and cleared them out. Keep in mind this is California I am talking about, and also I am an old man now and while I still go to shows, the younger people may be dealing with events that I no longer see. Ah, the memories of youth.