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So after watching the new 6th Edition trailer, a couple things lept out at me. First I recognised a Navigator, and he was accompanied by a blurry 'warp-like' effect as well as the sound of a heavenly choir
Immediately I thought AH! That must be the sound of the Astronomicon! The blurry effect must show his connection to the Warp and the choir is just as described in the fluff as the sound heard when one connects with the Astronomicon.
Then the following happens-
Flash of light from the Third Eye of the Navigator followed by darkness, and the choir goes silent to be replaced by hushed echoes and a feeling of 'emptiness'.
Could the Astronomicon about to go silent to the Navigators? What could cause this? The Golden Throne failing? A huge disturbance in the Warp? Psychic Entity attacking the Emperor?
Man, if the golden throne falls it's about to get real lol.
It's the time of the xenos and dem chaos crazies my friends!
Looks like my orks maybe be getting a few crazier friends to share their shelf with :3
It could simply be a disturbance in the warp, the Astronomicon has been known to flicker from time to time, signalling great changes / happenings in the galaxy, especially that of the warp. I would expect that the coming of the 6th edition could metaphorically be one of these flickers..... just a theory though
Possibly a new Black Crusade? A surge of energy out of the EoT could disrupt the Astro' and briefly strand/delay Imperial Fleets, leaving Chaos to gain a strong foothold.
Dog. wrote:So after watching the new 6th Edition trailer, a couple things lept out at me. First I recognised a Navigator, and he was accompanied by a blurry 'warp-like' effect as well as the sound of a heavenly choir
Immediately I thought AH! That must be the sound of the Astronomicon! The blurry effect must show his connection to the Warp and the choir is just as described in the fluff as the sound heard when one connects with the Astronomicon.
Then the following happens-
Flash of light from the Third Eye of the Navigator followed by darkness, and the choir goes silent to be replaced by hushed echoes and a feeling of 'emptiness'.
Could the Astronomicon about to go silent to the Navigators? What could cause this? The Golden Throne failing? A huge disturbance in the Warp? Psychic Entity attacking the Emperor?
Quick, speculate!
What trailer are you referring too? Could you link it?
Henners91 wrote:40k is a setting, not a narrative.
The plot will *never* move forward significantly.
This is true, generally. However, it is highly possible that GW might be realizing that the silly marketing strategy they've had for the past twenty years is costing them players. I think with this huge investment they've made into the Black Library and video games, they're understanding that people like narratives. A story that starts and ends, characters who live and die, etc.
So, it's highly possible that they might adopt the Marvel/DC story-line policy, and keep all the biggest things the same, I.E. no killing off factions altogether, but I could see them finally pushing into the 42nd millennium (not too far, around M.42.00-M.42.10, and publishing some horrific losses sustained during the 13thBC and the Leviathan battles by the various factions. Create some new special characters with new fluff for them, etc. I agree that snuffing the astronomicon altogether would be too drastic, but it would be reasonable for it to dim a little again, possibly cutting off communications with thousands of human-held planets on the very edge of the Imperium, inciting xenos factions to go buckwild and make a bigger push into Imperial space. That would make things a bit more "grimdark" without crippling any of the factions, while also providing some nice set-pieces for fighting.
Frankly, I think it's just time for something new and fresh, and I wouldn't be surprised if GW knew it. Models are more expensive than ever, practically all of the 40K video games have collapsed, and they're losing fans faster than they're bringing them in. I really don't think they can sustain a business model of releasing new codexes every few years that have almost the exact same fluff in them, and I think, like it or not, that these days, the fluff is a lot more important to people than it used to be.
It's time then. Great Tzeentch is about to bring that plan into motion. The death of the Emperor's physical form will finally allow Him to neutralize the Chaos Powers and unite them into a single entity, finally harmonizing the Human psyche.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Tadashi wrote:It's time then. Great Tzeentch is about to bring that plan into motion. The death of the Emperor's physical form will finally allow Him to neutralize the Chaos Powers and unite them into a single entity, finally harmonizing the Human psyche.
from my understanding of the astronomican if it goes out Imperial warp travel is nigh impossible which would lead to a heavily compartmentalised Imperium with no real knowledge of whats going on in other sectors
Currently debating whether to study for my exams or paint some Deathwing
Henners91 wrote:40k is a setting, not a narrative.
The plot will *never* move forward significantly and the cessation of the Astronomican's 'broadcasts' would be catastrophic.
So, no, the Astronomican is just fine and dandy... though in the fluff (to be in-keeping with the whole GRIMDARK aspect) it is decaying.
This is basically it. Things will keep getting worse. Its kinda funny actually. They will get worse and worse but never end because then GW would only have WFB.
"Most mortals will die from this procedure...and so will you!"
Tadashi wrote:It's time then. Great Tzeentch is about to bring that plan into motion. The death of the Emperor's physical form will finally allow Him to neutralize the Chaos Powers and unite them into a single entity, finally harmonizing the Human psyche.
Or not.
Tzeentch is the Imperium's greatest enemy and the Emperor's greatest ally. He seeks the Emperor's death, but only because it will bring about the greatest change of all, so great that even the gods themselves will change once the Emperor is free of His mortal husk. And Tzeentch only exists for change.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Tadashi wrote:It's time then. Great Tzeentch is about to bring that plan into motion. The death of the Emperor's physical form will finally allow Him to neutralize the Chaos Powers and unite them into a single entity, finally harmonizing the Human psyche.
Or not.
Tzeentch is the Imperium's greatest enemy and the Emperor's greatest ally. He seeks the Emperor's death, but only because it will bring about the greatest change of all, so great that even the gods themselves will change once the Emperor is free of His mortal husk. And Tzeentch only exists for change.
Where do you pull some of this stuff from Tadashi? The Emperors greatest ally ... I understand what you are implying but where are your sources? Do you just make this stuff up, are these just your theories?
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Looks like a Navigator to me, maybe the astronomicon failing, which means the golden throne is failing, which means Emperor will die, which means the Emperor will be reborn and come back kicking some ass, which means that Primarchs will return, which means that Dorn will come back (YES HE WILL), which means mass fething kickass rampage action, which means wet dreams for me.
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Pilau Rice wrote:
Where do you pull some of this stuff from Tadashi? The Emperors greatest ally ... I understand what you are implying but where are your sources? Do you just make this stuff up, are these just your theories?
From Eye of Terror
Spoiler:
IN A LOFTY, secluded palace far off in the warp, a truly ancient Chi’khami’tzann Tsunoi nodded and blinked in admiration for the
Emperor of mankind.
The Chi’khami’tzann Tsunoi was one of the first ever to be created by the great Lord of Change, and was reckoned by some to be
almost as wise and cunning as Tzeentch himself. He it was who had manipulated the young, inexperienced Great Inventor - and
then discarded him. He acknowledged that the Emperor was a god in his own right, worthy to be an ally of Tzeentch himself, so
great was his foresight, so subtle his ability to pinpoint cusps which, with the slightest of nudges, could deflect events on to
another course. He had even utilised the forces of Chaos, to manoeuvre his actors into position.
But the game was still afoot, and would be for millennia. The Emperor had manipulated Chaos but the greater daemon, in turn,
had manipulated the Emperor. There were manipulations within manipulations, and only he who failed to see them all would lose.
The Emperor was a great lord, but he was shackled to the husk of his material form, kept alive by mortals who feared to lose their
protector. Eventually their efforts would fail. The husk would die, and the Emperor would be released unfettered into the heavenly
realms.
Then the true war would begin. The Emperor would exert himself to cancel out the four Chaos powers and integrate them into a
sane and harmonious whole, thereby harmonising the psyche of mankind. But the heavenly masters did not want to be so
absorbed. What was sanity compared with the glorious insanity of the separate Chaos Gods, forever at war with one another?
The ancient daemon was patient, as strategists must be. His ultimate aim was the death of the Emperor. To that end, he had set in
train impulses which no one but he and blessed Tzeentch himself could see.
In his lofty, secluded palace, the Chi’khami’tzann Tsunoi watched, and waited.
Chi'khami'tzann - Lord of Change.
Tsunoi is apparently one of the eldest and most cunning. Ironically, while Tzeentch seeks to delay it as long as possible, he also seeks to bring about the Emperor's death so as to bring about the greatest change. The Imperium's greatest enemy because doing so will destroy the Imperium. The Emperor's greatest ally, because in doing so Chaos will be neutralized, though the Imperium doesn't realize it, though the Emperor probably knows. Heck, He might even be counting on it, as the current Imperium is a perversion of everything He ever wanted.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
So is this Tzeentchs actual plan or a greater daemon of Tzeentchs interpretation of what he understands his masters plan to be?
Only Tzeentch knows what's going on in that brain of his.
I haven't read Eye of Terror for sometime, but didn't the Lord of Change get betrayed by Tzeentch for thinking that he understood the machination of his master or is that from somewhere else?
Pilau Rice wrote:So is this Tzeentchs actual plan or a greater daemon of Tzeentchs interpretation of what he understands his masters plan to be?
Only Tzeentch knows what's going on in that brain of his.
I haven't read Eye of Terror for sometime, but didn't the Lord of Change get betrayed by Tzeentch for thinking that he understood the machination of his master or is that from somewhere else?
You mean the 'Great Inventor'? No, that was the Lord of Change Tsunoi betrayed and manipulated. For some reason (probably the same as the Illumianti) Tzeentch wants to draw the plan as long as possible. And Tsunoi pretty much implied that Tzeentch himself 'blessed' Tsunoi with this task.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Pilau Rice wrote:So is this Tzeentchs actual plan or a greater daemon of Tzeentchs interpretation of what he understands his masters plan to be?
Only Tzeentch knows what's going on in that brain of his.
I haven't read Eye of Terror for sometime, but didn't the Lord of Change get betrayed by Tzeentch for thinking that he understood the machination of his master or is that from somewhere else?
You mean the 'Great Inventor'? No, that was the Lord of Change Tsunoi betrayed and manipulated. For some reason (probably the same as the Illumianti) Tzeentch wants to draw the plan as long as possible. And Tsunoi pretty much implied that Tzeentch himself 'blessed' Tsunoi with this task.
Sounds familiar, will have to revisit it ...
worthy to be an ally of Tzeentch himself - doesn't mean they are allies and if anything Tzeentch wants the death of the Emperor to keep things as they are - But the heavenly masters did not want to be so
absorbed. What was sanity compared with the glorious insanity of the separate Chaos Gods, forever at war with one another?
Pilau Rice wrote:So is this Tzeentchs actual plan or a greater daemon of Tzeentchs interpretation of what he understands his masters plan to be?
Only Tzeentch knows what's going on in that brain of his.
I haven't read Eye of Terror for sometime, but didn't the Lord of Change get betrayed by Tzeentch for thinking that he understood the machination of his master or is that from somewhere else?
You mean the 'Great Inventor'? No, that was the Lord of Change Tsunoi betrayed and manipulated. For some reason (probably the same as the Illuminati) Tzeentch wants to draw the plan as long as possible. And Tsunoi pretty much implied that Tzeentch himself 'blessed' Tsunoi with this task.
Sounds familiar, will have to revisit it ...
worthy to be an ally of Tzeentch himself - doesn't mean they are allies and if anything Tzeentch wants the death of the Emperor to keep things as they are - But the heavenly masters did not want to be so
absorbed. What was sanity compared with the glorious insanity of the separate Chaos Gods, forever at war with one another?
But such is the nature of Tzeentch. We cannot believe Tzeentch would allow that to happen, but that is precisely why Tzeentch will make it happen- because it is something that the others would not want to happen. A great betrayal to the other gods, so beloved of Tzeentch.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Pilau Rice wrote:So is this Tzeentchs actual plan or a greater daemon of Tzeentchs interpretation of what he understands his masters plan to be?
Only Tzeentch knows what's going on in that brain of his.
I haven't read Eye of Terror for sometime, but didn't the Lord of Change get betrayed by Tzeentch for thinking that he understood the machination of his master or is that from somewhere else?
You mean the 'Great Inventor'? No, that was the Lord of Change Tsunoi betrayed and manipulated. For some reason (probably the same as the Illuminati) Tzeentch wants to draw the plan as long as possible. And Tsunoi pretty much implied that Tzeentch himself 'blessed' Tsunoi with this task.
Sounds familiar, will have to revisit it ...
worthy to be an ally of Tzeentch himself - doesn't mean they are allies and if anything Tzeentch wants the death of the Emperor to keep things as they are - But the heavenly masters did not want to be so
absorbed. What was sanity compared with the glorious insanity of the separate Chaos Gods, forever at war with one another?
But such is the nature of Tzeentch. We cannot believe Tzeentch would allow that to happen, but that is precisely why Tzeentch will make it happen- because it is something that the others would not want to happen. A great betrayal to the other gods, so beloved of Tzeentch.
Tzeentch isn't a heavenly master now?
On the original post, sorry OP, if the Astronomicon did go silent it would probably signify the death of the Emperor but wouldn't stop warp travel. It would just make it very very difficult.
The Tyranids might decide to change direction though
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Pilau Rice wrote:So is this Tzeentchs actual plan or a greater daemon of Tzeentchs interpretation of what he understands his masters plan to be?
Only Tzeentch knows what's going on in that brain of his.
I haven't read Eye of Terror for sometime, but didn't the Lord of Change get betrayed by Tzeentch for thinking that he understood the machination of his master or is that from somewhere else?
You mean the 'Great Inventor'? No, that was the Lord of Change Tsunoi betrayed and manipulated. For some reason (probably the same as the Illuminati) Tzeentch wants to draw the plan as long as possible. And Tsunoi pretty much implied that Tzeentch himself 'blessed' Tsunoi with this task.
Sounds familiar, will have to revisit it ...
worthy to be an ally of Tzeentch himself - doesn't mean they are allies and if anything Tzeentch wants the death of the Emperor to keep things as they are - But the heavenly masters did not want to be so
absorbed. What was sanity compared with the glorious insanity of the separate Chaos Gods, forever at war with one another?
But such is the nature of Tzeentch. We cannot believe Tzeentch would allow that to happen, but that is precisely why Tzeentch will make it happen- because it is something that the others would not want to happen. A great betrayal to the other gods, so beloved of Tzeentch.
Tzeentch isn't a heavenly master now?
He is...but betraying the other gods is just the kind of thing he would do. Only he could understand that even if he was absorbed into a greater entity, he would still continue to exist in some other form. And change is all Tzeentch exists for.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Pilau Rice wrote:So is this Tzeentchs actual plan or a greater daemon of Tzeentchs interpretation of what he understands his masters plan to be?
Only Tzeentch knows what's going on in that brain of his.
I haven't read Eye of Terror for sometime, but didn't the Lord of Change get betrayed by Tzeentch for thinking that he understood the machination of his master or is that from somewhere else?
You mean the 'Great Inventor'? No, that was the Lord of Change Tsunoi betrayed and manipulated. For some reason (probably the same as the Illuminati) Tzeentch wants to draw the plan as long as possible. And Tsunoi pretty much implied that Tzeentch himself 'blessed' Tsunoi with this task.
Sounds familiar, will have to revisit it ...
worthy to be an ally of Tzeentch himself - doesn't mean they are allies and if anything Tzeentch wants the death of the Emperor to keep things as they are - But the heavenly masters did not want to be so
absorbed. What was sanity compared with the glorious insanity of the separate Chaos Gods, forever at war with one another?
But such is the nature of Tzeentch. We cannot believe Tzeentch would allow that to happen, but that is precisely why Tzeentch will make it happen- because it is something that the others would not want to happen. A great betrayal to the other gods, so beloved of Tzeentch.
Tzeentch isn't a heavenly master now?
He is...but betraying the other gods is just the kind of thing he would do. Only he could understand that even if he was absorbed into a greater entity, he would still continue to exist in some other form. And change is all Tzeentch exists for.
Or, being tide to the warp as much as the other Gods, he brings about his own destruction.
Pilau Rice wrote:So is this Tzeentchs actual plan or a greater daemon of Tzeentchs interpretation of what he understands his masters plan to be?
Only Tzeentch knows what's going on in that brain of his.
I haven't read Eye of Terror for sometime, but didn't the Lord of Change get betrayed by Tzeentch for thinking that he understood the machination of his master or is that from somewhere else?
You mean the 'Great Inventor'? No, that was the Lord of Change Tsunoi betrayed and manipulated. For some reason (probably the same as the Illuminati) Tzeentch wants to draw the plan as long as possible. And Tsunoi pretty much implied that Tzeentch himself 'blessed' Tsunoi with this task.
Sounds familiar, will have to revisit it ...
worthy to be an ally of Tzeentch himself - doesn't mean they are allies and if anything Tzeentch wants the death of the Emperor to keep things as they are - But the heavenly masters did not want to be so
absorbed. What was sanity compared with the glorious insanity of the separate Chaos Gods, forever at war with one another?
But such is the nature of Tzeentch. We cannot believe Tzeentch would allow that to happen, but that is precisely why Tzeentch will make it happen- because it is something that the others would not want to happen. A great betrayal to the other gods, so beloved of Tzeentch.
Tzeentch isn't a heavenly master now?
He is...but betraying the other gods is just the kind of thing he would do. Only he could understand that even if he was absorbed into a greater entity, he would still continue to exist in some other form. And change is all Tzeentch exists for.
Or, being tide to the warp as much as the other Gods, he brings about his own destruction.
No one said anything about destruction, either of the gods or of the Warp.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Pilau Rice wrote:So is this Tzeentchs actual plan or a greater daemon of Tzeentchs interpretation of what he understands his masters plan to be?
Only Tzeentch knows what's going on in that brain of his.
I haven't read Eye of Terror for sometime, but didn't the Lord of Change get betrayed by Tzeentch for thinking that he understood the machination of his master or is that from somewhere else?
You mean the 'Great Inventor'? No, that was the Lord of Change Tsunoi betrayed and manipulated. For some reason (probably the same as the Illuminati) Tzeentch wants to draw the plan as long as possible. And Tsunoi pretty much implied that Tzeentch himself 'blessed' Tsunoi with this task.
Sounds familiar, will have to revisit it ...
worthy to be an ally of Tzeentch himself - doesn't mean they are allies and if anything Tzeentch wants the death of the Emperor to keep things as they are - But the heavenly masters did not want to be so
absorbed. What was sanity compared with the glorious insanity of the separate Chaos Gods, forever at war with one another?
But such is the nature of Tzeentch. We cannot believe Tzeentch would allow that to happen, but that is precisely why Tzeentch will make it happen- because it is something that the others would not want to happen. A great betrayal to the other gods, so beloved of Tzeentch.
Tzeentch isn't a heavenly master now?
He is...but betraying the other gods is just the kind of thing he would do. Only he could understand that even if he was absorbed into a greater entity, he would still continue to exist in some other form. And change is all Tzeentch exists for.
Or, being tide to the warp as much as the other Gods, he brings about his own destruction.
No one said anything about destruction, either of the gods or of the Warp.
Pilau Rice wrote:So is this Tzeentchs actual plan or a greater daemon of Tzeentchs interpretation of what he understands his masters plan to be?
Only Tzeentch knows what's going on in that brain of his.
I haven't read Eye of Terror for sometime, but didn't the Lord of Change get betrayed by Tzeentch for thinking that he understood the machination of his master or is that from somewhere else?
You mean the 'Great Inventor'? No, that was the Lord of Change Tsunoi betrayed and manipulated. For some reason (probably the same as the Illuminati) Tzeentch wants to draw the plan as long as possible. And Tsunoi pretty much implied that Tzeentch himself 'blessed' Tsunoi with this task.
Sounds familiar, will have to revisit it ...
worthy to be an ally of Tzeentch himself - doesn't mean they are allies and if anything Tzeentch wants the death of the Emperor to keep things as they are - But the heavenly masters did not want to be so
absorbed. What was sanity compared with the glorious insanity of the separate Chaos Gods, forever at war with one another?
But such is the nature of Tzeentch. We cannot believe Tzeentch would allow that to happen, but that is precisely why Tzeentch will make it happen- because it is something that the others would not want to happen. A great betrayal to the other gods, so beloved of Tzeentch.
Tzeentch isn't a heavenly master now?
He is...but betraying the other gods is just the kind of thing he would do. Only he could understand that even if he was absorbed into a greater entity, he would still continue to exist in some other form. And change is all Tzeentch exists for.
Or, being tide to the warp as much as the other Gods, he brings about his own destruction.
No one said anything about destruction, either of the gods or of the Warp.
No, but I did.
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In any case, let's remember that the Emperor is one big collection of souls - He is, after all, the gestalt collective reincarnation of all the ancient Human shamans. What's to stop this new entity from being composed of five different gods, all of whom balance each other out as one sum and product.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Pilau Rice wrote:So is this Tzeentchs actual plan or a greater daemon of Tzeentchs interpretation of what he understands his masters plan to be?
Only Tzeentch knows what's going on in that brain of his.
I haven't read Eye of Terror for sometime, but didn't the Lord of Change get betrayed by Tzeentch for thinking that he understood the machination of his master or is that from somewhere else?
You mean the 'Great Inventor'? No, that was the Lord of Change Tsunoi betrayed and manipulated. For some reason (probably the same as the Illuminati) Tzeentch wants to draw the plan as long as possible. And Tsunoi pretty much implied that Tzeentch himself 'blessed' Tsunoi with this task.
Sounds familiar, will have to revisit it ...
worthy to be an ally of Tzeentch himself - doesn't mean they are allies and if anything Tzeentch wants the death of the Emperor to keep things as they are - But the heavenly masters did not want to be so
absorbed. What was sanity compared with the glorious insanity of the separate Chaos Gods, forever at war with one another?
But such is the nature of Tzeentch. We cannot believe Tzeentch would allow that to happen, but that is precisely why Tzeentch will make it happen- because it is something that the others would not want to happen. A great betrayal to the other gods, so beloved of Tzeentch.
Tzeentch isn't a heavenly master now?
He is...but betraying the other gods is just the kind of thing he would do. Only he could understand that even if he was absorbed into a greater entity, he would still continue to exist in some other form. And change is all Tzeentch exists for.
Or, being tide to the warp as much as the other Gods, he brings about his own destruction.
No one said anything about destruction, either of the gods or of the Warp.
No, but I did.
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In any case, let's remember that the Emperor is one big collection of souls - He is, after all, the gestalt collective reincarnation of all the ancient Human shamans. What's to stop this new entity from being composed of five different gods, all of whom balance each other out as one sum and product.
And lo, Christianity came crashing back into existence...
But jokes aside, I'm with Tadashi on this. Would be incredibly interesting, and I think could draw a lot of players back to the game. What's more grim dark that humanity being stranded on worlds? Their protectors, the Space Marines, unable to assist due to difficulties in warp travel. Nothing major would have to change. A Few worlds would be lost.
I want it to happen... haha
Von Chogg
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