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I can't figure out if this works or not.. it seems like they can i dont' see anyting dissallowing it. but ..

bomb squigs can attack any vehicle within 18" on a 2+

just says vehicle and a flyer is a vehicle.. so did my squig grow wings? if so tnak busters just became viable

Just so you know, you should feel very bad for using this.

Grey Templar wrote:

Just so you know, you should feel very bad for using this.

Unless he models each squig with tiny wings.... then he should feel badass for using this.

jms40k wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Just so you know, you should feel very bad for using this.

Unless he models each squig with tiny wings.... then he should feel badass for using this.

I never put the wings on my sang guard so i have like 15 sets of guard wings that could go on squigs

I think if anything they should have rockets strapped to them instead of wings :0

Sasa0mg wrote:I think if anything they should have rockets strapped to them instead of wings :0

why choose. i have 20 death company jet packs in my bitz box ... why not both

G00fySmiley wrote:

Sasa0mg wrote:I think if anything they should have rockets strapped to them instead of wings :0

why choose. i have 20 death company jet packs in my bitz box ... why not both

Should strap a gretchin to them too, for guided steering...

Squigs don't use the model's BS -> can not be snap-fired -> can not be shot at planes.

Believe me, if this would have worked, I'd be the first one to know

don't have any space gretchin models... but i do have some of the ones form the backpack for big shootas in boyz boxes... i could try to snip them off and make it work ... hmm i'm goign to have me some unique squigs


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Jidmah wrote:Squigs don't use the model's BS -> can not be snap-fired -> can not be shot at planes.

Believe me, if this would have worked, I'd be the first one to know

i could be wrong but how i read it was

hard to hit- "shots resolved against at a zooming flier can only be resolved as snap shots , templates blasts and large templates cannot hit fliers in zoom mode"

bomb squigg "on a roll of 2+ the bomb squig will run straight into the nearest vehicle withing 18" and detonate, causeing a S8 hit"

i read this to mean a squig is not a shot but it also isn't a template it is a model that just runs into stuff

FAQ on bomb squig " no line of sight is required and they move free of any impedements"

flying seems like an impedement to me, adn a squig is not a shot or template so i think it works

Jidmah wrote:Squigs don't use the model's BS -> can not be snap-fired -> can not be shot at planes.

Believe me, if this would have worked, I'd be the first one to know

You don't "shoot" bomb squigs at all. It's not a shooting attack. They're simply a piece of wargear that is used in the shooting phase. Snap Fire doesn't come into play, as it's not an actual shooting attack. It doesn't require LoS, can pass through impassable terrain and doesn't effect the Tankbusta unit for shooting and assaulting.

streamdragon wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Squigs don't use the model's BS -> can not be snap-fired -> can not be shot at planes.

Believe me, if this would have worked, I'd be the first one to know

You don't "shoot" bomb squigs at all. It's not a shooting attack. They're simply a piece of wargear that is used in the shooting phase. Snap Fire doesn't come into play, as it's not an actual shooting attack. It doesn't require LoS, can pass through impassable terrain and doesn't effect the Tankbusta unit for shooting and assaulting.

Then you are not allowed to use it. You may only snap-fire at zooming planes.

Jidmah wrote:

streamdragon wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Squigs don't use the model's BS -> can not be snap-fired -> can not be shot at planes.

Believe me, if this would have worked, I'd be the first one to know

You don't "shoot" bomb squigs at all. It's not a shooting attack. They're simply a piece of wargear that is used in the shooting phase. Snap Fire doesn't come into play, as it's not an actual shooting attack. It doesn't require LoS, can pass through impassable terrain and doesn't effect the Tankbusta unit for shooting and assaulting.

Then you are not allowed to use it. You may only snap-fire at zooming planes.

Are you allowed to use non-shooting psychic abilities on flyers?

Jidmah wrote:

streamdragon wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Squigs don't use the model's BS -> can not be snap-fired -> can not be shot at planes.

Believe me, if this would have worked, I'd be the first one to know

You don't "shoot" bomb squigs at all. It's not a shooting attack. They're simply a piece of wargear that is used in the shooting phase. Snap Fire doesn't come into play, as it's not an actual shooting attack. It doesn't require LoS, can pass through impassable terrain and doesn't effect the Tankbusta unit for shooting and assaulting.

Then you are not allowed to use it. You may only snap-fire at zooming planes.

Exactly, when you fire at a zooming plane you may only snap-fire. Now this would matter if you were actually firing a bomb squig. You arent firing the squig, it just goes to the nearest vehicle. You will hit that plane on a 2+ (if it is the closest vehicle.)
RAW this is a legal move, cheesy, but legal.

Multra wrote:

Jidmah wrote:

streamdragon wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Squigs don't use the model's BS -> can not be snap-fired -> can not be shot at planes.

Believe me, if this would have worked, I'd be the first one to know

You don't "shoot" bomb squigs at all. It's not a shooting attack. They're simply a piece of wargear that is used in the shooting phase. Snap Fire doesn't come into play, as it's not an actual shooting attack. It doesn't require LoS, can pass through impassable terrain and doesn't effect the Tankbusta unit for shooting and assaulting.

Then you are not allowed to use it. You may only snap-fire at zooming planes.

Exactly, when you fire at a zooming plane you may only snap-fire. Now this would matter if you were actually firing a bomb squig. You arent firing the squig, it just goes to the nearest vehicle. You will hit that plane on a 2+ (if it is the closest vehicle.)
RAW this is a legal move, cheesy, but legal.

I think "Rule of Cool" takes over here if you model each squig as gretchin-guided rokkit squigs instead...

pg 81, hard to hit:
Zooming Flyers...increadibly difficult targets...
Shots resolved at a Zooming Flyer can only be resolved as Snap Shots... unless model or weapon has the Skyfire special rule...

Pg 13, last sentence, Snap Shot
... It's important to note that any shooting attack that does not use a Ballistic Skill... cannot be 'fired' as a Snap Shot.


I say no. Squigs don't have wings.

Cheers,

Tactica wrote:pg 81, hard to hit:
Zooming Flyers...increadibly difficult targets...
Shots resolved at a Zooming Flyer can only be resolved as Snap Shots... unless model or weapon has the Skyfire special rule...

Pg 13, last sentence, Snap Shot
... It's important to note that any shooting attack that does not use a Ballistic Skill... cannot be 'fired' as a Snap Shot.


I say no. Squigs don't have wings.

Cheers,

Is using a squig a shooting attack? If it is, you would not be able to throw them at the flyers. If not, you can.

Multra wrote:

Jidmah wrote:

streamdragon wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Squigs don't use the model's BS -> can not be snap-fired -> can not be shot at planes.

Believe me, if this would have worked, I'd be the first one to know

You don't "shoot" bomb squigs at all. It's not a shooting attack. They're simply a piece of wargear that is used in the shooting phase. Snap Fire doesn't come into play, as it's not an actual shooting attack. It doesn't require LoS, can pass through impassable terrain and doesn't effect the Tankbusta unit for shooting and assaulting.

Then you are not allowed to use it. You may only snap-fire at zooming planes.

Exactly, when you fire at a zooming plane you may only snap-fire. Now this would matter if you were actually firing a bomb squig. You arent firing the squig, it just goes to the nearest vehicle. You will hit that plane on a 2+ (if it is the closest vehicle.)
RAW this is a legal move, cheesy, but legal.

1. The FAQ only allows releasing Bomb Squigs during regular shooting. Snap fire is not regular shooting.
2. You may not release Bomb Squigs if you are not allowed to shoot normally due to pinning, etc. You are not allowed to shoot normally if you target a plane.
3. The FAQ confirms that Squigs follow the normal rules for shooting, if tankbustaz are in a vehicle.
4. Squigs are a ranged weapons as per the ork codex.
5. The Monolith's Portal is explicitly named as a Weapon that can not be used. It's as much a shooting attack as squigs are.

Tactica wrote:pg 81, hard to hit:
Zooming Flyers...increadibly difficult targets...
Shots resolved at a Zooming Flyer can only be resolved as Snap Shots... unless model or weapon has the Skyfire special rule...

Pg 13, last sentence, Snap Shot
... It's important to note that any shooting attack that does not use a Ballistic Skill... cannot be 'fired' as a Snap Shot.


I say no. Squigs don't have wings.

Cheers,

i see nothign defining a bomb squig as a shot though

it listrs it as a model like a ammo runt ignored for all purposes btu its use. on use it charges somethign withing 18 inches ignoring and impedements nowhere is it listed as a shot

another argument for it is in faq it also says you may release (not shoot) a squig at a different target than the tankbustas will be shooting at. and they don't have splitfire so this wouldn't be allowed if it was a "shot"

on use it charges somethign withing 18 inches

(Pg. 81) "Due to their high speed (and presumably high altitude), Zooming Flyers cannot be assaulted."

it isn't listed as an assault move either.

bomb squigg "on a roll of 2+ the bomb squig will run straight into the nearest vehicle withing 18" and detonate, causeing a S8 hit"

FAQ on bomb squig " no line of sight is required and they move free of any impedements"

flying seems liek an impedment to me

G00fySmiley wrote:...run straight into the nearest vehicle withing 18" and detonate

Unless I'm mistaken on how a model "runs"... a squig cannot "run" in the air.

The Flyer is not on the ground. See page 81.

Running a model along the ground would never reach the hull of a Flyer.

Cheers,

you are applying logic to 40k instead of rule text and therefor have lost he argument and are grasping for straws

Rules are above.

Unless you have a good reason for squigs to count as shooting attacks when shot from vehicles, but not from the ground, they don't hit planes.

Lets just go with the Cinematic interpertation.

If you model your Squigs with Wings, Rockets, or some other clever way of hitting a flying target, you can hit a flyer. But only if you model it like that.

That way, everyone is happy.

Bomb squigs have an official model, so that would be moddeling for advantage :p

Even then, per RAW, you would have to disembark to shoot them at planes, since you are not allowed to snap-fire them, and thus can not follow normal shooting rules while embarked.

Jidmah wrote:Rules are above.

Unless you have a good reason for squigs to count as shooting attacks when shot from vehicles, but not from the ground, they don't hit planes.

You don't just open a hatch and release a squig from a vehicle if there are other options. It's obviously shot out of a kannon...

Jidmah wrote:Bomb squigs have an official model, so that would be moddeling for advantage :p

Even then, per RAW, you would have to disembark to shoot them at planes, since you are not allowed to snap-fire them, and thus can not follow normal shooting rules while embarked.

i think it depends again on if "released" means fire

"models firing out of a vehicle that moved at combat speed count as having moved that turn. models firing out of a vehicle that moved cruising speed can only fire snap shots that turn"

per faq "squig may not be released if the unit is not alloud to shootthat turn. if the unit is embarked in a vehicle they can be released as long as the releasing model would have been able to fire a normal weapon. this follows the normal ruels for passengers shooting from vehicles"

if they have to be able to fire as normal then i'd think they could move 6 inches then release the squig from a vehicle.

if snap firing is still being able to "fire normal weapons" albeit at a different ballistic skill which is how i am reading it then they can still do if is cruising speed just not if they go flat out

G00fySmiley wrote:you are applying logic to 40k instead of rule text and therefor have lost he argument and are grasping for straws

Incorrect. The rules as quoted by multiple parties seem to dictate. This is not a debate with a winner and loser. This is a discussion. There is no reason to be derrogatory and it doesn't help convince me of your position.

Had you not mentioned "run" and "charge" as part of the discussion, then there would be no reason to respond to such points. I believe your post only further supports the already quoted rules above in opposition to your line of thinking.

My response was not a matter of arguing logic at all, I only responded to your quoted text.

Cheers,

I like it. Haters gonna hate though

G00fySmiley wrote:you are applying logic to 40k instead of rule text and therefor have lost he argument and are grasping for straws

Incorrect. The rules as quoted by multiple parties seem to dictate. This is not a debate with a winner and loser. This is a discussion. There is no reason to be derrogatory and it doesn't help convince me of your position.

Had you not mentioned "run" and "charge" as part of the discussion, then there would be no reason to respond to such points. I believe your post only further supports the already quoted rules above in opposition to your line of thinking.

My response was not a matter of arguing logic at all, I only responded to your quoted text.

i think it depends again on if "released" means fire

"Releasing a Squig" has a range... it has a S of attack... You cannot do it if you cannot make a normal shooting attack... It happens in the shooting phase with all other shooting attacks... It doesn't require a BS...

The book states that Flyers may only be 'shot' at with Snap Shot. The BRB further only permits one alternative, Sky Fire.

The ork unit and Squigs do not have Sky Fire special rule. Therefore, the only way you are going to cause damage to the Flyer in the Shooting phase is to use Snap Fire rules.

Snap Shot says you become BS 1 and you may not use some kind of a special attack that doesn't use BS to hit.

For what it's worth, that's all I can offer for consideration here...

Cheers,