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pariahs, apparently, are 'anti-psykers' and some of them have 'fields' around them that daemons cant enter. does this mean that if a pariah becomes say, a champion of khorne, can khorne gift him with daemonic powers, warp power, daemon weapons etc.? also can they bind with daemons?
if not then how the is Spear possible? (see the HH book Nemisis)

by the way what is a Black Pariah?

i have looked at Lexicanum, but it does make sense to me.

No. Pariahs are complete anathema to the warp.
Demons don't like them. Not even Khorne likes them, since he can't use them for worship.

They cannot become champions of chaos, they actively repel the warp and the forcescthat exist within it, thats the whole point. The Chaos Gods have no power over them.

So, khorne hates sorcery, and for sorcery psychic power is needed, yet khorne needs at least vaguelly psychislly powered people to worship him? ironic really.

What about spear though? He was a black pariah, bound with a daemon as a second skin. How is he possible?

Chaos Emperor wrote:So, khorne hates sorcery, and for sorcery psychic power is needed, yet khorne needs at least vaguelly psychislly powered people to worship him? ironic really.

What about spear though? He was a black pariah, bound with a daemon as a second skin. How is he possible?

Just one question: Did C.S Goto make him?
If so, there's your answer.

My memory may be playing tricks on me, but wasn't one of the (Chaos-aligned) antagonists in the Horus Heresy novel Nemesis a pariah?

EDIT: being vague, partially because of memory, partially to avoid spoilers.

To my knowledge the abilities of a Black Pariah is that they can take in warp energy, like the normal Culexxus assassins, but without any tech and just using their mind/body. Erebus used this and bound a daemon to him. I do not know if this is 100% correct, but that was how I read Nemesis.

Because the Pariahs are, essentially, soulless, their acts of devotion do not feed any energy into the Warp. Likewise, because of this, they cannot enter into Daemonic Pacts or take Marks and so forth and so on, because they have nothing to barter with.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Chaos Emperor wrote:So, khorne hates sorcery, and for sorcery psychic power is needed, yet khorne needs at least vaguelly psychislly powered people to worship him? ironic really.

What about spear though? He was a black pariah, bound with a daemon as a second skin. How is he possible?

Just one question: Did C.S Goto make him?
If so, there's your answer.

He's not the creation of CS Goto.

Spear (the only Black Pariah recorded) became a living weapon created by the Imperium that was deemed too dangerous by his masters and was put on a ship en route to the heart of the sun. As fate would have it, Erebus intercepted the ship and came up with the nifty idea of merging Spear with a minor daemon via a ritual which resulted in a creature that not only could pull off the usual pariah tricks but also reflect his target's psionic force directly back upon it. And so, Spear was intended to be used to kill the Emperor. Like a tool.

A cult made up of Pariahs is nigh impossible (one also has to consider how rare they are as well). But a cult using a pariah to their own ends? That's more likely.

thanks everyone!! it does seem to make sense now.

i do have one more question, i guess theres nothing stopping them physically but can a pariah become a space marine?


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or even a choas marine

In the last Grey Knight novel, Hammer of Deamons, there's direct reference to pariah servants of Khornate lords. They act as spies, and IIRC it's mentionned that while every Chaos Lords and Deamon Lords on that world uses them, its so much frowned upon that all the Lords would turn on whoever was caught using them. But that's Khornate cultists for you ; they all love direct murder and war, but a single assassination or spying, because that's plotting, will throw the entire world against you.

hmm, interesting thought.
Theoretically, I suppose you can have a SM pariah, but the thing is that they are so rare and sought after by the inquisition that they would be refused the risky and painful process of gene seed implantation.

arinnoor wrote:To my knowledge the abilities of a Black Pariah is that they can take in warp energy, like the normal Culexxus assassins, but without any tech and just using their mind/body. Erebus used this and bound a daemon to him. I do not know if this is 100% correct, but that was how I read Nemesis.

You cannot bind a daemon to a Blank.

Daemons can't even get CLOSE to a Blank without fading away and being forced back in to the Warp, never mind actually being PART of them. That would likely kill the Daemon instantly.

Poor, inconsistent writing in a Black Library novel? Perish the thought.

In the Eisenhorn trilogy, didnt the ol' pimpmaster Eisenhorn have Bequin train a whole corterie of psychic blanks?
And that those pariahs were under the tutelage of Bequin, who herself was part of Eisenhorn's personal retinue?
Hell, he sometimes loaned out some of his pariah corterie to other Inquisitors when they needed some psychic nullification themselves.

Yes, but that was considered to be a unique occasion. Much like the Sisters of Silence I should note.

I guess the question is, how good of a writer is James Swallow considered?

He's not a favorite. He does serviceable action but he doesn't have many compelling, fresh ideas. Nemesis is probably his best book so far. I thought it was pretty darn good and am really looking forward to Angels Fear To Tread.

King Pariah wrote:I guess the question is, how good of a writer is James Swallow considered?

I personally think his BA stuff sucks, but i have heard good things about his work on the HH series, so i am sure i will end up reading them.

Dunno, what has he written that isn't marinewank or horus heresy (same thing, really)? I might have read some of his stuff.

Melissia wrote:

arinnoor wrote:To my knowledge the abilities of a Black Pariah is that they can take in warp energy, like the normal Culexxus assassins, but without any tech and just using their mind/body. Erebus used this and bound a daemon to him. I do not know if this is 100% correct, but that was how I read Nemesis.

You cannot bind a daemon to a Blank.

Daemons can't even get CLOSE to a Blank without fading away and being forced back in to the Warp, never mind actually being PART of them. That would likely kill the Daemon instantly.

Poor, inconsistent writing in a Black Library novel? Perish the thought.

To be 100% fair.

"Spear", the so-called Black Pariah did not seem to have the same effects as a normal Pariah. He was considered a failed experiment(and he was created entirely artificially, and we do have as omniscient witnesses the information that Blanks/Pariahs cannot be artificially created) and the ship where the research was taking place was sent to dive into a sun.

He was also not "bound to a Daemon" in the sense that we're used to, where he becomes a host for a Daemonic entity.
He was wearing something which is referred to as a "Daemonskin" at a few points, hinting at it being some kind of bizarre Warp entity that digs itself into his pores and feeds off of his life force while at the same time powering up his psychic abilities.

The Distaff, Eisenhorn's cadre of blanks, is implied to be regular blanks gathered from around the Imperium and trained to develop their talents by Bequin. They weren't teaching regular people to become blanks or anything like that.

Psienesis wrote:Because the Pariahs are, essentially, soulless, their acts of devotion do not feed any energy into the Warp. Likewise, because of this, they cannot enter into Daemonic Pacts or take Marks and so forth and so on, because they have nothing to barter with.

they got soul .

Psienesis wrote:The Distaff, Eisenhorn's cadre of blanks, is implied to be regular blanks gathered from around the Imperium and trained to develop their talents by Bequin. They weren't teaching regular people to become blanks or anything like that.

yes , and that was 1 of the best things , as they stop all phyckers for doing anything.

but if you read Ravenor you can see that a Pariah can be normal human if a stong phycker try to get to his mind. so the Black Pariah maybe wasnt a 100% Pariah but only a part of him was Pariah when he sumited to Chaos

Pada wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Because the Pariahs are, essentially, soulless, their acts of devotion do not feed any energy into the Warp. Likewise, because of this, they cannot enter into Daemonic Pacts or take Marks and so forth and so on, because they have nothing to barter with.

they got soul .

No, they don't.
That's what it means to be a pariah: to be soulless.

That was Slyte, who was a Greater Daemon of nearly god-like power, aligned only to Chaos Undivided. Not a regular Psyker. Though Blanks do come in variable strengths, and it is possible for a regular, mortal psyker of sufficient power to overcome a less-powerful blank, though neither Ravenor nor Eisenhorn were capable of doing it. Eisenhorn was possibly an Iota level, or thereabouts, while Ravenor was Delta or better.

yes , but the facts are 2 :
1) if they can be normal then they got soul
2) if you are strong enought you can pass the blank of the Pariahs

Blanks are never normal. They're born that way. Various 40K sources that discuss what it means to be a Blank/Untouchable/Pariah mention that they appear to be "soulless". FFG's The Radical's Handbook, which introduces Untouchables to the setting, lists many things they can and cannot do. Of the latter, they can never enter daemonic pacts, use psychic powers, sorcery, possess a Psy Rating, become possessed by a Warp Entity, make use of Force or Daemon Weapons (the powers thereof, in the hands of an Untouchable, a Daemon Sword is still a sword, he just can't use any of its "magic powers"). They may also not begin play with, earn, or use any of the Faith-based powers presented in the setting (such as the Acts of Faith given to the Sisters of Battle and certain Clerics). By the same token, Daemonweapons and Force Weapons used against them are treated only as normal, mundane examples of their type. A Daemon Sword that stabs a Blank is just a sword, it is not allowed to use any of its special powers against the Blank.

Additionally, their "soullessness", for lack of a better term, affects others around them. The Blank's very presence is disturbing to normal people, and they are often the focus of irrational fear, mistrust and other negative social attention. Thus they often live as loners and outsiders, and die alone and unmissed.

Pada wrote:yes , but the facts are 2 :
1) if they can be normal then they got soul

Blanks aren't "normal". Psychologically, they have lived a life of neglect, hatred, and abuse even more than normal for 40k. Physically, there is something inherently repugnant about every single Blank, because of the nature of their soul, that causes normal humans to dislike them, hate them, loathe them, etc. Spiritually, they have negative souls, so yes they do have souls ("soulless" is a misnomer and doesn't apply to Blanks; those truly without souls are something entirely different).

Pada wrote:2) if you are strong enought you can pass the blank of the Pariahs

Blanks are completely and utterly immune to psychic power. As in, no effect at all. Not resistant, not sometimes, not usually, not probably-- always.

There are those that are psychically dense and have some levels of resistance to psychic power. They are not Blanks, however, on whom all psychic powers will fail instantly.

Melissia wrote:

Pada wrote:yes , but the facts are 2 :
1) if they can be normal then they got soul

Blanks aren't "normal". Psychologically, they have lived a life of neglect, hatred, and abuse even more than normal for 40k. Physically, there is something inherently repugnant about every single Blank, because of the nature of their soul, that causes normal humans to dislike them, hate them, loathe them, etc. Spiritually, they have negative souls, so yes they do have souls ("soulless" is a misnomer and doesn't apply to Blanks; those truly without souls are something entirely different).

Pada wrote:2) if you are strong enought you can pass the blank of the Pariahs

Blanks are completely and utterly immune to psychic power. As in, no effect at all. Not resistant, not sometimes, not usually, not probably-- always.

There are those that are psychically dense and have some levels of resistance to psychic power. They are not Blanks, however, on whom all psychic powers will fail instantly.

The same Eisenhorn novel trilogy (and also concerning the same character) where your first answer regarding blanks being repugnant comes from, also disproves your second answer regarding blanks total immunity to psychic power. As this is how Alizabeth Bequin meets her end.

In fact in the very section it talks about blanks being repulsive it says "virtually immune".

Xenos by D Abnett wrote:They have a negative presence in the warp that renders them virtually immune to psychic powers, which in turn makes them potent anti-psyker weapons. The side-effect of their psychic blankness is the unpleasant disturbance that accompanies them, the waves of fear and revulsion they trigger in those they meet.

I did not draw any of that from the Eisenhorn trilogy.

Then you should probably say where you did draw it from then, as right now what is written in the Eisenhorn novels contradicts what you are saying about blanks being "utterly immune" to psychic powers.